GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #20

[Megnut]

I'm just confused. Why would you write a 'true crime' story which is a 'novel' complete with twilight type names? It's just strange. It was called "What tore us apart" but I suppose that had an obvious spoiler (death cap mass murder). So now it's "bloody good friends". I just don't understand the blood theme, and why you'd be advertising that you were good friends and spoke every day to someone who annihilated a family.

Totally bizarre, IMO.

And a total gloss over on the damage done.

JMO

 

[ch_13]

Speaking of which....

Erin Patterson’s Facebook friend spills on her new ‘true crime’ novel

Daniela Barkley, who was in a crime enthusiast Facebook group with the mass murderer, testified at the mother-of-two’s trial.

7news.com.au

I'd be interested in reading a well-researched, non-fiction book about Erin. Especially one that went into some detail about her early life. There's so much that hasn't been made public yet.

But I have no interest in reading some poorly written roman à clef by someone who's done no research and has no particular insights.

 

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And a total gloss over on the damage done.

JMO

I can’t say I’m surprised her friends are still glossing over everything. They never had the depth or clarity to see what was really going on.

The rupture inside the group was not only about Erin’s histrionics, her stalking, or the months of obsessive pursuit of a ...particular person... (motive, anyone?). It was also cultural. Erin’s allies gravitated to the surface-level comforts: chatter about houses, children, recipes, gossip, etc, and the ordinary rhythm of domestic life. There’s nothing wrong with that, except the stalking bit - where anyone connected to ANY crime was fair game - family members, unrelated parties, anyone who spoke against Erins opinions online (which I find disgusting), but it stood in stark contrast to those of us who wanted more - who gathered to dissect psychology, deviance, and the darker corners of human behaviour. Erin’s manipulations split along that fault line, exposing just how incompatible those two worlds really were.

IMO

 

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I'd be interested in reading a well-researched, non-fiction book about Erin. Especially one that went into some detail about her early life. There's so much that hasn't been made public yet.

But I have no interest in reading some poorly written roman à clef by someone who's done no research and has no particular insights.

I had to google 'roman à clef ' Nailed it!

Perhaps she has taken this format because she thinks it absolves her of defamation consequences. If so, she is mistaken. IMO

 

[Megnut]

EP didn't even buy into her one defense -- that it was accidental. Accidental gathering, accidental serving. If she did, she'd have tried to rewrite history to make herself look and sound remorseful.

She can spin a dermatology appointment (that she canceled because the ovarian lump on her elbow resolved on its own) into cancer and from cancer to gastric bypass and from gastric bypass to bulemia...

But she didn't even bother to re-work anything into a framework of conpassion. [Note: I spelled it that way intentionally.] She couldn't even fake it, not even for the sake of her own trial.

Astounding though how, by taking the stand, she capsized the entire toothpick her defense attorney was trying to float.

Worst defense ever but it's what she herself went with: I didn't want to be blamed so I got rid of the evidence.

I daresay, she's immune to the suffering of others. Well, unless she's the cause of it. Then she seems to relish it.

Sick.

JMO

 

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EP didn't even but into her one defense -- that it was accidental. Accidental gathering, accidental serving. If she did, she'd have tried to rewrite history to make herself look and sound remorseful.

She can spin a dermatology appointment (that she canceled because the ovarian lump on her elbow resolved on its own) into cancer and from cancer to gastric bypass and from gastric bypass to bulemia...

But she didn't even bother to re-work anything into a framework of conpassion. [Note: I spelled it that way intentionally.] She couldn't even take, not even for the sake of her own trial.

Astounding though how, by taking the stand, she capsized the entire toothpick her defense attorney was trying to float.

Worst defense ever but it's what she herself went with: I didn't want to be blamed so I got rid of the evidence.

I daresay, she's immune to the suffering of others. Well, unless she's the cause of it. Then she seems to relish it.

Sick.

JMO

I totally agree with you!

To me, it seems that Erin is one of those people who go through life never experiencing consequences for their behaviour. The histrionic "tantrum" type who everyone yields to. But that all changed when Simon stood up for himself and distanced, as did his parents. Finally, someone was holding her at arms length because of her (obscene) behaviour, IMO.

I think she is used to being able to manipulate on the fly. I have certainly seen countless examples of this just knowing her online and comparing conversations post-poisoning. It's truly stunning to see it - the contradictions, the manipulations, the absolute mind f'ery... it's bizarre and fascinating.....IMO

 

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EP didn't even but into her one defense -- that it was accidental. Accidental gathering, accidental serving. If she did, she'd have tried to rewrite history to make herself look and sound remorseful.

She can spin a dermatology appointment (that she canceled because the ovarian lump on her elbow resolved on its own) into cancer and from cancer to gastric bypass and from gastric bypass to bulemia...

But she didn't even bother to re-work anything into a framework of conpassion. [Note: I spelled it that way intentionally.] She couldn't even take, not even for the sake of her own trial.

Astounding though how, by taking the stand, she capsized the entire toothpick her defense attorney was trying to float.

Worst defense ever but it's what she herself went with: I didn't want to be blamed so I got rid of the evidence.

I daresay, she's immune to the suffering of others. Well, unless she's the cause of it. Then she seems to relish it.

Sick.

JMO

In regards to being immune to the suffering of others; it's a really petty example, but my first ever blow up with Erin was in regards to a gift she organised for another group member. Sounds kind, sounds empathetic, sounds caring.... She didn't know this person at all, and she chose a gift that I thought was kind of ... tone deaf. Borderline intrusive. It was wind-chimes, not just wind-chimes, but they were engraved (!?).

Sure, wind-chimes are lovely in general, but, when you don't know someone and the gift is loud and had an awful sound and ambience (they sounded like someone belting pots during a psychotic episode) and you don't know their decor or lifestyle... I found it a little bit opposite of thoughtful. I thought perhaps, we should all purchase something less personally intrusive but still thoughtful. Like a beautiful bunch of (real) blooms, and a thoughtful hand written card. When I pointed this out in a group chat, Erin went *troppo*. I mean, 4 days of constant bombarding paragraphs and criticisms of me. It was crazy. Unhinged. Strange.

That is when I knew something wasn't quite right.

It was in this exchange that she told me she was diagnosed with aspergers as a teen (lie) and that she didn't quite 'get' how to socially interact.

I was seriously alarmed. I know it doesn't sound like much, but I found her response to be extreme, over the top, histrionic, and I was confused. I just had an alternate opinion, but this was met with extreme anger and bombardment.

To avoid the continual drama, I stepped right back and started to observe, knowing that something was amiss here...

It's not the big things. These small moments of disproportionate reactions are everything, IMO.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I have. A homicide detective contacted me a week or so ago asking if I am okay as he had seen it things online.

They are posting my posts from here onto other forums. Self-admitted stalking behaviour. It's so juvenile. The reason none of us want anything to do with them (and haven't for years) is because they are unhinged lunatics. Nothing has changed. They STILL think this is about highschool 'group dynamics' and not their mass killer friend.

That's really worrisome. If they believe EP is innocent then who on earth do they think perpetrated this crime and what the explanation for EP's lies, deceptions, and cover ups is?

Also, yes, IMO this does need recording and intervening on by appropriate authorities as it could be malicious communications and inciting hatred and put you (and anyone in the same situation from them) at risk or in danger?

JMO MOO

 

[LinasK]

Some of her friends (new and old) are trying to make me stop talking on here. I find it hilarious. Threats, stalking, etc. We are just celebrating that Erin and her unhinged friends are forever in the past where they belong. Bring it on!!!

Don't let them silence you. They can't stand the truth coming out.

 

[LinasK]

I can’t say I’m surprised her friends are still glossing over everything. They never had the depth or clarity to see what was really going on.

The rupture inside the group was not only about Erin’s histrionics, her stalking, or the months of obsessive pursuit of a ...particular person... (motive, anyone?). It was also cultural. Erin’s allies gravitated to the surface-level comforts: chatter about houses, children, recipes, gossip, etc, and the ordinary rhythm of domestic life. There’s nothing wrong with that, except the stalking bit - where anyone connected to ANY crime was fair game - family members, unrelated parties, anyone who spoke against Erins opinions online (which I find disgusting), but it stood in stark contrast to those of us who wanted more - who gathered to dissect psychology, deviance, and the darker corners of human behaviour. Erin’s manipulations split along that fault line, exposing just how incompatible those two worlds really were.

IMO

In other words- you hit a nerve. She'd been planning out how to carry out this mass murder, and that's most likely why she joined that particular forum, and to see if she could snow people. Much like mass murderer Bryan Kohlberger became a criminology student to ask serial killers how they felt when they committed their crimes.

 

[LinasK]

EP didn't even buy into her one defense -- that it was accidental. Accidental gathering, accidental serving. If she did, she'd have tried to rewrite history to make herself look and sound remorseful.

She can spin a dermatology appointment (that she canceled because the ovarian lump on her elbow resolved on its own) into cancer and from cancer to gastric bypass and from gastric bypass to bulemia...

But she didn't even bother to re-work anything into a framework of conpassion. [Note: I spelled it that way intentionally.] She couldn't even fake it, not even for the sake of her own trial.

Astounding though how, by taking the stand, she capsized the entire toothpick her defense attorney was trying to float.

Worst defense ever but it's what she herself went with: I didn't want to be blamed so I got rid of the evidence.

I daresay, she's immune to the suffering of others. Well, unless she's the cause of it. Then she seems to relish it.

Sick.

JMO

Such a stupid defense!!! Does she not see how dumping evidence on CCTV makes her look all the more guilty??? No innocent person dumps evidence or bodies because they will be blamed.

 

[Ellery84]

“Bella and Eden have never met in person but are the best of friends. They have been chatting to one another almost every day for years,”

Says it all really…

Birds of a feather….

 

[Susjay]

I'd be interested in reading a well-researched, non-fiction book about Erin. Especially one that went into some detail about her early life. There's so much that hasn't been made public yet.

But I have no interest in reading some poorly written roman à clef by someone who's done no research and has no particular insights.

Yes, zero interest in engaging. Sounds like a teenage love story - “tore us apart”. Yuk! Bella entered the garden of Eden and became a sycophant and talebearer.

 

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Yes, zero interest in engaging. Sounds like a teenage love story - “tore us apart”. Yuk! Bella entered the garden of Eden and became a sycophant and talebearer.

Yes and supported Erin until she knew it was a sinking ship. Didn’t go to the police with evidence immediately. Was hostile as a witness. Saying Erin is a wonderful mother. Bizarre

 

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Don't let them silence you. They can't stand the truth coming out.

They won’t silence me. It makes me more committed to speak openly. They’re attacking me for things I have done in my life, my body, my ex partner, my children, private things I told them at the time. They’re trying very hard to upset me but it doesn’t. It just reinforces how toxic and gutless they are. IMO

 

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In other words- you hit a nerve. She'd been planning out how to carry out this mass murder, and that's most likely why she joined that particular forum, and to see if she could snow people. Much like mass murderer Bryan Kohlberger became a criminology student to ask serial killers how they felt when they committed their crimes.

It’s only since the trial information has come out that I can see she was planning and poisoning throughout the whole time she was engaged with these crime groups. It’s very creepy looking back

I feel sorry for the people she truly did manipulate in these groups, I know one of my good friends who became quite close to Erin has suffered a lot from knowing she was so manipulated. It’s very confusing.

 

[Monstradamus]

It’s only since the trial information has come out that I can see she was planning and poisoning throughout the whole time she was engaged with these crime groups. It’s very creepy looking back

I feel sorry for the people she truly did manipulate in these groups, I know one of my good friends who became quite close to Erin has suffered a lot from knowing she was so manipulated. It’s very confusing.

EP is very, very good at her "craft".

Hopefully she never gets a chance to practise it ever again.

 

[JBowie]

[...] it stood in stark contrast to those of us who wanted more - who gathered to dissect psychology, deviance, and the darker corners of human behaviour [bbm]

My guess is those subjects were too close to home for EP to want to discuss.

 

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EP is very, very good at her "craft".

Hopefully she never gets a chance to practise it ever again.

Absolutely and also very clever at manipulating her friends to act for her. They are still going. How embarrassing.

This is why I think those women are probably criminal too. It’s absolutely bizarre how they behave. I think the common denominator between them all is that they are bored lonely individuals without meaningful careers or intellectually fulfilling relationships, so their online vitriol is what gives them a sense of purpose.

But the troublesome aspect of their behaviour isn’t the bullying and stalking and obsession per se, it’s the criminal element of having flagrant disregards for the law in doing so that really bothers me and other onlookers. Like Erin, there is antisocial behaviour being displayed overtly. It’s a red flag for criminality.

 

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My guess is those subjects were too close to home for EP to want to discuss.

Erin loved talking about other criminals and mass murderers, that was also a red flag. I’m not talking about being really interested in true crime, I’m talking about the types of crimes she was interested in and how she spoke about them. For example, serial killers like Israel Keys in the US. She spoke about him with a kind of excitement rather than horror.

I have screenshots of a conversation a friend had with her once about him and when I read the way she speaks so non chalantly about the gory details of his crime, it is chilling. I’ve never before seen people and in particular females be so besotted with the gore and horror.

She wasn’t interested in the psychology beneath these heinous acts, just consuming and shocking people with the details which is behaviour, imo.