GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #20

[LinasK]

There are so many layers here.

Like Ted, Erin is not valuable because she tells the truth. She is valuable because she doesn’t and that gap between narrative and evidence/reality is an educational rarity. Factor in Erin as a female mass murderer from a wealthy and educated background whose weapon of choice was poison…

I completely understand this being of no value to many. Hindsight bias does lend a little to these situations though, even if it’s true humans are naturally good at clocking a criminals fabrications.

For me though, as long as Erin is alive she remains an invaluable learning tool.

I don't see her as an "educational rarity". She's a garden variety poisoner. Not the first. Not the first female poisoner. Her only infamy is that she's a mass-murderer poisoner- and her choice of using a toxic food found in nature vs. a drug of some sort. Most poisoners target a single victim at a time.

 

[blukat]

I don't see her as an "educational rarity". She's a garden variety poisoner. Not the first. Not the first female poisoner. Her only infamy is that she's a mass-murderer poisoner- and her choice of using a toxic food found in nature vs. a drug of some sort. Most poisoners target a single victim at a time.

Indeed. Right now there is a man and woman in the US who attempted something similar using similar toxic items found in nature. Tried to kill women that he knew. It's actually not unheard of throughout history. Rather large list in Wiki.

As for someone to study, she's a rather bad liar. That's not interesting either. It is curious how she still has people who admire her online after what she did.

I also don't think Bundy is someone to admire either. It's been years since he did those horrible murders. His behavior been analyzed so much there really isn't anything new to be learned. There have been more examples of antisocial personalities besides him.

Just to note, there is public information about ARP online about her profession and more. Including a write up in the Daily Mail. Which is an accepted source here right?

 

[Detechtive]

I don't see her as an "educational rarity". She's a garden variety poisoner. Not the first. Not the first female poisoner. Her only infamy is that she's a mass-murderer poisoner- and her choice of using a toxic food found in nature vs. a drug of some sort. Most poisoners target a single victim at a time.

She’s not even a good poisoner. The vast majority are never caught.

It’s truly mind blowing to me how stupid her behaviour was. It’s only interesting in the stupidity and gall of it, IMO

 

[LinasK]

She’s not even a good poisoner. The vast majority are never caught.

It’s truly mind blowing to me how stupid her behaviour was. It’s only interesting in the stupidity and gall of it, IMO

Yup! She tried to have it both ways- she didn't provide the Death Caps- it was the mysterious, non-existent "Asian grocer" who provided them- then when that defense didn't work, it was "I accidentally added them" to my children ate the leftovers and didn't get sick, to "I got sick as well". Phone pings in the areas where Death Caps grow, plus the CCTV footage belied her. Then it was the "Panic defense". None of it works.

 

[Detechtive]

There are so many layers here.

Like Ted, Erin is not valuable because she tells the truth. She is valuable because she doesn’t and that gap between narrative and evidence/reality is an educational rarity. Factor in Erin as a female mass murderer from a wealthy and educated background whose weapon of choice was poison…

I completely understand this being of no value to many. Hindsight bias does lend a little to these situations though, even if it’s true humans are naturally good at clocking a criminals fabrications.

For me though, as long as Erin is alive she remains an invaluable learning tool.

Delusion and gaslighting isn’t interesting. IMO

Yup! She tried to have it both ways- she didn't provide the Death Caps- it was the mysterious, non-existent "Asian grocer" who provided them- then when that defense didn't work, it was "I accidentally added them" to my children ate the leftovers and didn't get sick, to "I got sick as well". Phone pings in the areas where Death Caps grow, plus the CCTV footage belied her. Then it was the "Panic defense". None of it works.

None of it works to smart people, and thank goodness the jury was smart. There’s still people on social media saying it’s a conspiracy

 

[Detechtive]

The thing is- I don't actually see her being transparent at all like the kinds of predators that they show on the TV shows "Signs of a Psychopath" or "Evil Speaks" where they actually do open up and divulge their true motives and feelings. She's already told enough lies on the stand for me to know she's not the least bit credible. I don't need to hear anymore from her, nor her to profit in any way (even attention) from her notoriety. Her case can be studied without interviewing her.

Evil speaks is the best show!! I only discovered it recently.

 

[packetgravy]

I also don't think Bundy is someone to admire either. It's been years since he did those horrible murders. His behavior been analyzed so much there really isn't anything new to be learned. There have been more examples of antisocial personalities besides him.

Just to note, there is public information about ARP online about her profession and more. Including a write up in the Daily Mail. Which is an accepted source here right?

Wiki isn’t my first choice but I can appreciate the accessibility.

Please do not mistake my advocation for the continued study of criminals such as Bundy (and many, many other’s) as admiration.

We all have unique learning styles and what works for me may not work for you, if you find the data redundant then that’s understandable.

I wholeheartedly believe high-profile cases will be useful for years to come, especially as new discoveries and data becomes available.

 

[Detechtive]

There’s currently a show on Netflix called Unlnown Number which reminds me a lot of EP. I won’t spoil it for those who haven’t seen it, but suffice to say that the personality types seem quite similar, IMO.

 

[packetgravy]

Delusion and gaslighting isn’t interesting. IMO

That’s cool. IMO human behaviour and every aspect of that will always be fascinating to me.

 

[LinasK]

Wiki isn’t my first choice but I can appreciate the accessibility.

Please do not mistake my advocation for the continued study of criminals such as Bundy (and many, many other’s) as admiration.

We all have unique learning styles and what works for me may not work for you, if you find the data redundant then that’s understandable.

I wholeheartedly believe high-profile cases will be useful for years to come, especially as new discoveries and data becomes available.

And she doesn't need to be interviewed to study this case.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

The only one on trial awaiting sentencing is Erin Patterson. Lordy, this thread is starting to sound like an episode of Mean Girls.

Criticizing personal appearance and attire is also off limits.

Discussing the minor children and their care is off limits.

 

[Detechtive]

That’s cool. IMO human behaviour and every aspect of that will always be fascinating to me.

So she’ll have one book sale even if she ever was to write a book, which she can’t of course. The hypothetical isn’t at all reality based IMO.

It would just be one giant lie and poor me pity party. Ick!

What would be fascinating is a book about her supporters and their psychological profiles, criminal enablers if you will. Criminal apologists are fascinating as are offender-centred narratives. IMO

 

[Two SCents]

It’s okay to tell but not to sell

Celebrity criminals and the proceeds of crime – why crime doesn’t pay

If a criminal derives a benefit from the proceeds of crime, such as payment for a tell-all interview, film or book, authorities can seize that income.

stacklaw.com.au

 

[drsleuth]

I for one, am not at all interested in anything further the multiple murderer has to say. It would just be more lies IMO. She is not special. She's just another common criminal.

She is just another domestic multiple murderer, who is soon to be sentenced, hopefully to LWOP.


IMO

 

[Charlot123]

In regards to being immune to the suffering of others; it's a really petty example, but my first ever blow up with Erin was in regards to a gift she organised for another group member. Sounds kind, sounds empathetic, sounds caring.... She didn't know this person at all, and she chose a gift that I thought was kind of ... tone deaf. Borderline intrusive. It was wind-chimes, not just wind-chimes, but they were engraved (!?).

Sure, wind-chimes are lovely in general, but, when you don't know someone and the gift is loud and had an awful sound and ambience (they sounded like someone belting pots during a psychotic episode) and you don't know their decor or lifestyle... I found it a little bit opposite of thoughtful. I thought perhaps, we should all purchase something less personally intrusive but still thoughtful. Like a beautiful bunch of (real) blooms, and a thoughtful hand written card. When I pointed this out in a group chat, Erin went *troppo*. I mean, 4 days of constant bombarding paragraphs and criticisms of me. It was crazy. Unhinged. Strange.

That is when I knew something wasn't quite right.

It was in this exchange that she told me she was diagnosed with aspergers as a teen (lie) and that she didn't quite 'get' how to socially interact.

I was seriously alarmed. I know it doesn't sound like much, but I found her response to be extreme, over the top, histrionic, and I was confused. I just had an alternate opinion, but this was met with extreme anger and bombardment.

To avoid the continual drama, I stepped right back and started to observe, knowing that something was amiss here...

It's not the big things. These small moments of disproportionate reactions are everything, IMO.

And when she bombarded you, what do you think she tried to achieve? Was it to vent off anger, to have the last word in a conversation, or something else?

 

[Charlot123]

There is a lot more to it than a money grab. The author Daniella Barkley has other reasons for putting her experiences in writing.

I don't know either her or the situation. Several ideas popped into my head immediately. All I want to say, IMHO, one has to be very gentle with it. Given that there are three victims, one survivor whose life is now changed forever, one not very healthy father and mainly, two kids who probably want to avoid the publicity. One has to be very careful not to split their world more. They have their whole lives to live.

 

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And when she bombarded you, what do you think she tried to achieve? Was it to vent off anger, to have the last word in a conversation, or something else?

She was insecure because I was the group leader and she told me more about her life than anyone else. I engaged Erin on deep topics to understand her psychology unlike the other group members who were all about surface level nonsense.

For example, she told me in private messages about Simon and how she can’t stand his existence, her mothers death, her sister, her personal struggles with infertility and IVF, etc.

She bombarded me with anger and then profusely apologised. I remember at the time thinking that it was extremely odd and too much drama for my liking, so I would just say whatever was necessary to placate her (such as “it’s fine, let’s move on” so I could back right away - which i did, because when I tried to reason with her she spoke default to excuses like “I’m Asperger’s - I’m so sorry, I don’t understand social nuance”. At the time I was messaging my sister (also in the group) saying she’s unhinged and to back away because if she gets angry enough, she will do something crazy like murder. At the time my sister thought I was overreacting because her and her partner (also in the group) were quite charmed by Erin’s online fake persona, but it turns out it was correct.

Erin is unstable in a histrionic sense and she managed to manipulate and form strong connections with others like her in her new group - people who didn’t challenge or question her or even bat an eyelid when she would stalk and harass people online or participate in other criminal activities such as collecting illegal imports of poisons etc in disguise (and yes the police have this evidence).

Birds of a feather…

When we tried to end our group Erin wouldn’t allow us to delete our private videos and other communications, she kept them in files on her computer so her and her flying monkeys could “investigate us all” - at one point, she only allowed a new person to enter her new group if they paid a “price” of digging dirt on some of us.

She’s extremely messed up and the original group all stepped right back from her because we knew she was batshit crazy. The new friends were too focused on other red herrings to see it.

P.S I have finallllyyyy figured out what the motive is (after a year and a half of intense investigation) and it’s not what the media or her “friends” think it is. Her motive started back in the mid 2000s and I’ll reveal it soon when I put together all of the evidence.

iMO

 

[Goosewhisperer]

RSBM
Most normal people (but Erin appears to be not quite normal) in her situation might have asked their sister to help care for the children. But it seems they were estranged long ago, and I think we're all pretty sure about whose fault that would have been. But Simon will do well I think, and will have female relatives who can help.

I am almost certain EP asked SP’s sister to care for her children. Vague memory of that testimony in court, related to hospital visit, when child protection were called.

 

[Warshawski]

Yes! Fascinating for those specialising in psych, an invaluable learning tool.

IMO I found her testimony and police interview v interesting.

Even though I was angered by her attitude as I found it on both occasions to be of disdain and disrespect, with a total lack of ‘giving a rats’ about her victims or about her behaviour, I can understand your comments from the psych perspective.

She would be a unique subject for intensive study imo. And perhaps in the learnings obtained, in a round about way, there may finally be value found from her being.

 

[Detechtive]

There’s psychologist’s in this thread who find her quite basic and predictable IMO