GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #21

[TootsieFootsie]

Police probe after wild mushroom deaths

A major police probe has been launched into the deaths of three elderly people who died after eating wild and poisonous mushrooms.

au.lifestyle.yahoo.com

One man still fighting for life.

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[Tricia]

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[Smelly Squirrel]

Erin Patterson: Australian prosecutors appeal mushroom murderer's 'inadequate' sentence

Erin Patterson was jailed for a minimum of 33 years for murdering three people with a toxic mushroom meal.

www.bbc.com

Prosecutors in Australia have filed an appeal against the sentence of mushroom murderer Erin Patterson, saying it was "manifestly inadequate".

Last month Patterson, 51, was jailed for life with no chance of release for at least 33 years, for murdering three relatives and trying to kill another with a toxic mushroom meal.

On Monday, the deadline for the appeal, the Department of Public Prosecutions (DPP) confirmed that it had filed an appeal "on the basis that the sentence handed down to Erin Patterson is manifestly inadequate".

Patterson's jail term - one of the longest ever handed to a female offender in Australia - means she will be in her 80s before she is able to apply for parole.

Last week, her barrister Richard Edney told a hearing in Melbourne that she intended to appeal against her conviction, though this has not yet been formally lodged.

Patterson's appeal is not an automatic right. Her legal team must convince the appeal court in the state of Victoria that there were legal errors and that it should hear the appeal. No details have been given on their grounds for appeal.

 

[Monstradamus]

Erin Patterson: Australian prosecutors appeal mushroom murderer's 'inadequate' sentence

Erin Patterson was jailed for a minimum of 33 years for murdering three people with a toxic mushroom meal.

www.bbc.com

Prosecutors in Australia have filed an appeal against the sentence of mushroom murderer Erin Patterson, saying it was "manifestly inadequate".

Last month Patterson, 51, was jailed for life with no chance of release for at least 33 years, for murdering three relatives and trying to kill another with a toxic mushroom meal.

On Monday, the deadline for the appeal, the Department of Public Prosecutions (DPP) confirmed that it had filed an appeal "on the basis that the sentence handed down to Erin Patterson is manifestly inadequate".

Patterson's jail term - one of the longest ever handed to a female offender in Australia - means she will be in her 80s before she is able to apply for parole.

Last week, her barrister Richard Edney told a hearing in Melbourne that she intended to appeal against her conviction, though this has not yet been formally lodged.

Patterson's appeal is not an automatic right. Her legal team must convince the appeal court in the state of Victoria that there were legal errors and that it should hear the appeal. No details have been given on their grounds for appeal.

I agree with the DPP. Her sentence is manifestly inadequate, imo.
Taking the lives of 3 people warrants EP spending the remainder of her entire life behind bars. LWOP, no less.

 

[Detechtive]

I agree with the DPP. Her sentence is manifestly inadequate, imo.
Taking the lives of 3 people warrants EP spending the remainder of her entire life behind bars. LWOP, no less.

Me too.

She’s deranged. If she didn’t appeal, I’m not sure they would bother. But here we are. She continues to go back for her hat.

IMO

 

[Goosewhisperer]

We can hope that her appeal is denied, what grounds could there possibly be?

 

[Kemug]

Wow, I didn't see that coming.

 

[MrJ]

Honestly I’m glad that the DPP is appealing as well. 33 years non parole to me is inadequate and I believe that she will remain a risk if she is granted parole

 

[Bats]

We can hope that her appeal is denied, what grounds could there possibly be?

For Erin, I suspect it will be similar to George Pell's appeal.

...did not establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt and that a jury, acting rationally, ought to have entertained a doubt about Erin's guilt...

Just my opinion though...

 

[Monstradamus]

We can hope that her appeal is denied, what grounds could there possibly be?

I think Justice Beale was very equal and thorough.

 

[Susjay]

Honestly I’m glad that the DPP is appealing as well. 33 years non parole to me is inadequate and I believe that she will remain a risk if she is granted parole

I really hope for all the victims and families that there is no parole. Especially for Simon and the children. They should be able to get on with their lives without the prospect of release.

 

[drsleuth]

Erin has hired a human rights lawyer

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/courts-law/triplekiller-erin-pattersons-prison-conditions-in-cell-smaller-than-toilet-the-subject-of-scathing-rant/news-story/12158f28132a293a27100427f93cde2e

Triple-killer Erin Patterson’s prison conditions in cell ‘smaller than toilet’ the subject of scathing rant​

There’s “screaming and yelling” outside Erin Patterson’s tiny cell, smaller than most toilets. Inside it’s worse, where it’s being described as “torture”.

Erin Patterson has hired a human rights lawyer.
It might seem like an innocuous shift but it’s part of a bigger play.


Patterson, who turned 51 inside a tiny cell at the maximum security Dame Phyllis Frost Centre in Melbourne last week, is being kept separate from other inmates.

News.com.au can reveal the Australian Human Rights Commission is ready and willing to launch an investigation into conditions for the mushroom lunch killer on the inside.

Patterson, as the individual being impacted by those conditions, needs to provide explicit consent for an investigation and she has reportedly been asked to do so by her legal team.

In the meantime, academics and medical professionals have described her life in solitary as “crushing sensory and social deprivation day after day, month after month”.

Clive Solomon, a retired Consultant General Surgeon, advocates across Australasia for the abolition of prolonged solitary confinement.

 

[Susjay]

For Erin, I suspect it will be similar to George Pell's appeal.

...did not establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt and that a jury, acting rationally, ought to have entertained a doubt about Erin's guilt...

Just my opinion though...

Think there was much more evidence to establish guilt in this case when compared with Pell. Pell case was more based on testimony, which was accepted by jury. But in this case we had so many pieces of the puzzle. For example, we had internet searches, photos of dehydrator and mushrooms, dumping of evidence, phone resets and the behaviours of the person in the days after the lunch.

 

[HoneyBunOne]

Honestly I’m glad that the DPP is appealing as well. 33 years non parole to me is inadequate and I believe that she will remain a risk if she is granted parole

Especially given her method of operation. 80, 90 or 100 years old, she can still be capable of slipping something into a drink that does away with anyone bothering her.

Erin has hired a human rights lawyer

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/courts-law/triplekiller-erin-pattersons-prison-conditions-in-cell-smaller-than-toilet-the-subject-of-scathing-rant/news-story/12158f28132a293a27100427f93cde2e

Triple-killer Erin Patterson’s prison conditions in cell ‘smaller than toilet’ the subject of scathing rant​

There’s “screaming and yelling” outside Erin Patterson’s tiny cell, smaller than most toilets. Inside it’s worse, where it’s being described as “torture”.

Erin Patterson has hired a human rights lawyer.
It might seem like an innocuous shift but it’s part of a bigger play.


Patterson, who turned 51 inside a tiny cell at the maximum security Dame Phyllis Frost Centre in Melbourne last week, is being kept separate from other inmates.

News.com.au can reveal the Australian Human Rights Commission is ready and willing to launch an investigation into conditions for the mushroom lunch killer on the inside.

Patterson, as the individual being impacted by those conditions, needs to provide explicit consent for an investigation and she has reportedly been asked to do so by her legal team.

In the meantime, academics and medical professionals have described her life in solitary as “crushing sensory and social deprivation day after day, month after month”.

Clive Solomon, a retired Consultant General Surgeon, advocates across Australasia for the abolition of prolonged solitary confinement.

Cry me a river, Erin.

 

[Susjay]

Erin has hired a human rights lawyer

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/courts-law/triplekiller-erin-pattersons-prison-conditions-in-cell-smaller-than-toilet-the-subject-of-scathing-rant/news-story/12158f28132a293a27100427f93cde2e

Triple-killer Erin Patterson’s prison conditions in cell ‘smaller than toilet’ the subject of scathing rant​

There’s “screaming and yelling” outside Erin Patterson’s tiny cell, smaller than most toilets. Inside it’s worse, where it’s being described as “torture”.

Erin Patterson has hired a human rights lawyer.
It might seem like an innocuous shift but it’s part of a bigger play.


Patterson, who turned 51 inside a tiny cell at the maximum security Dame Phyllis Frost Centre in Melbourne last week, is being kept separate from other inmates.

News.com.au can reveal the Australian Human Rights Commission is ready and willing to launch an investigation into conditions for the mushroom lunch killer on the inside.

Patterson, as the individual being impacted by those conditions, needs to provide explicit consent for an investigation and she has reportedly been asked to do so by her legal team.

In the meantime, academics and medical professionals have described her life in solitary as “crushing sensory and social deprivation day after day, month after month”.

Clive Solomon, a retired Consultant General Surgeon, advocates across Australasia for the abolition of prolonged solitary confinement.

I’m finding it difficult to entertain the solitary confinement issue being so intertwined with the sentence. Yes, the person is likely to require protection from other prisoners. I would also argue, in this case, others need to be protected from this prisoner. Beale did take the solitary confinement into consideration in sentencing and I get that. However, the person doing the sentencing doesn’t have a crystal ball. In many ways, there isn’t certainty about the conditions under which a prisoner is incarcerated and what will happen in the future. I just think it’s really problematic or somewhat tenuous to base the sentence on the conditions of incarceration when so many factors can impact on the conditions. Does this mean other prisoners could have their sentences revisited if they experience those solitary conditions? Sorry, I’m probs rambling but basically, in my mind, prison conditions are a correctional services matter. If prison conditions are a problem it should be addressed at a systemic level and maybe this case will impact on that?

 

[Detechtive]

I’m finding it difficult to entertain the solitary confinement issue being so intertwined with the sentence. Yes, the person is likely to require protection from other prisoners. I would also argue, in this case, others need to be protected from this prisoner. Beale did take the solitary confinement into consideration in sentencing and I get that. However, the person doing the sentencing doesn’t have a crystal ball. In many ways, there isn’t certainty about the conditions under which a prisoner is incarcerated and what will happen in the future. I just think it’s really problematic or somewhat tenuous to base the sentence on the conditions of incarceration when so many factors can impact on the conditions. Does this mean other prisoners could have their sentences revisited if they experience those solitary conditions? Sorry, I’m probs rambling but basically, in my mind, prison conditions are a correctional services matter. If prison conditions are a problem it should be addressed at a systemic level and maybe this case will impact on that?

Yes I heard on a podcast recently - somebody (a barrister, I think) saying that her sentence mitigation due to prison conditions will already mean a bunch of sentencing appeals will go forth based on the precedent. IMO

 

[MrJ]

IMO I’m sure that prison is restrictive for EP but the issue in my mind is: is the human rights angle of it all a ploy for her to gain sympathy and therefore leniency or is it a legitimate issue? Imprisonment is meant to be serious punishment IMO

 

[Detechtive]

"In the Supreme Court of Victoria, Ms Momena Shoma (26) was sentenced to 42 years' imprisonment with a non parole period of imprisonment of 31 years and 6 months. Ms Shoma had pleaded guilty to stabbing her homestay host, Mr Roger Singaravelu, with a knife in Melbourne’s Mill Park on 9 February 2018."

It is definitely a horrible crime her neighbour in prison - Momena Shoma committed, however, it seems hard to imagine why Erin's non parole period is very similar given the fact it was 4, nearly 5 victims, and Momena Shoma pleaded guilty.

https://www.cdpp.gov.au/news/landmark-terrorism-sentences-handed-down-same-day

 

[JLZ]

"In the Supreme Court of Victoria, Ms Momena Shoma (26) was sentenced to 42 years' imprisonment with a non parole period of imprisonment of 31 years and 6 months. Ms Shoma had pleaded guilty to stabbing her homestay host, Mr Roger Singaravelu, with a knife in Melbourne’s Mill Park on 9 February 2018."

It is definitely a horrible crime her neighbour in prison - Momena Shoma committed, however, it seems hard to imagine why Erin's non parole period is very similar given the fact it was 4, nearly 5 victims, and Momena Shoma pleaded guilty.

https://www.cdpp.gov.au/news/landmark-terrorism-sentences-handed-down-same-day

And Shoma's victim didn't die.

 

[Susjay]

Yes I heard on a podcast recently - somebody (a barrister, I think) saying that her sentence mitigation due to prison conditions will already mean a bunch of sentencing appeals will go forth based on the precedent. IMO

News article from Daily Mail but it does address some of the issues around consideration of solitary confinement conditions in sentencing.

Breathtaking way crims are using Erin Patterson to get a soft sentence

Mushroom killer Erin Patterson is already being used as an excuse by other killers to try and get discounted sentences.

www.dailymail.co.uk