Australia Australia - Amesha Rajapakse, 31, Westmead, NSW, 26 Aug 2014

[Keshi]

... So, if Amesha committed were to have committed suicide by drowning - whether as a result of falling into the creek if she was trying to hang herself, or as a result of throwing herself into the water - it wouldn't have taken her until the next morning to drown, would it??

I was thinking that too. I did some research after your clever question here, and I found this. I know this is the British law pertaining to "calculating the date and time of a death", but I believe it's pretty standard. I will try and find the NSW/Aus sites too.

http://www.exploreforensics.co.uk/estimating-the-time-of-death.html

Check out this section in the above link, and especially the 'legal time of death' bit.

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"Categorising Time of Death"

Time of death is categorised in three ways:

Physiological time of death: The point at which the deceased's body - including vital organs - ceased to function.

Estimated time of death: A best guess based on available information.

Legal time of death: The time at which the body was discovered or physically pronounced dead by another individual. This is the time that is shown - by law - on a death certificate.

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[Oddsocks]

Very sorry to hear about your mother Oddsocks. Was it a suicide? You don't have to answer this.

Was also wondering about the date and time on her death certificate...so was that date of death decided by the Coroner and/or police, and does the family get to have a say in it? If the autopsy could tell 'when' a person actually died, is there any reason why they'd not use that date, and instead use the date on which the body was found? I know there are laws associated with it all. I'm going to find out. Thanks

Yes it was suicide. From what I could work out with my mum she died a day or two before she was found. In her case the coroner decided date of death for the certificate.

 

[Xantara]

I've not seen a missing person report on Amesha. That doesn't mean there was or wasn't one. Family/friends can request it not be published. Perhaps she wasn't reported as missing at all.

All we do know, according to media reports, is this....

August 27, 2014

Detectives are trying to establish whether the woman had been reported missing days earlier.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/distraugh...mead-creek-20140827-108y4a.html#ixzz3BaHyQ4hO

The reference to '...trying to establish whether the woman had been reported missing days earlier...', suggests there may have been a previous incident independent of Amesha leaving the unit on 26 August.
Perhaps Amesha did have a crisis of some sort a few days previous to this one??
Perhaps that is why her brother was trying to call her - something might have been going on for Amesha in her mind - and the brother could have been doing this on any night he was not home: checking in with her to see if she was ok.
It might have been something the father was not privy to; kids often don't tell their father as much as siblings tell one another...

Msm reports of the brother reporting recent conversations/s with Amesha where he made a point of saying that she did NOT appear upset by them, could in themselves indicate that there was 'something' that Amesha was upset by...

I note that the Obituary refers to her being a devout Buddhist, that she 'passed away suddenly', and she was much loved by the Sri Lankan and Australian communities. I've contemplated many times whether that rings more of it being a suicide or a homicide, but it's very difficult to tell.
At least the reference to her being much loved in these communities indicates that she was not totally isolated afterall.

 

[Keshi]

You raise some very interesting and valid points Xantara.

I was thinking along the same lines in one of my earlier posts here. Not accusing any family member but I'm compelled to think if the reason why the brother stated he bought her takeaway on Sunday, and that she was not upset is because something had actually upset her in the days before her death? Did she leave the house before that fatal Tuesday and then return? And maybe the brother informed the police before, but she later came home? Hence the reason why the police was trying to establish if she was reported missing before.

Going to get milk and butter must have been a lie to get out of the house. Maybe she was escaping a painful situation she could no longer fight. And left that day to never return. Hence she left the access card behind on purpose and was using the scarf to jar the door? And the pacing in the foyer was Amesha in contemplation. Since it was raining heavily, and since she was contemplating self harm, was she going in and out in a troubled state of mind disappointed with the fact that rain was stopping her from carrying on whatever she wanted to do? And this is why she didn't go back up because she didn't have any intention to go back up, since her plan wasn't really to shop?

Studying the obituary notice, the lack of a photo stood out for me. OzLanka generally carries a photo of the deceased. Maybe the family didnt want to, but why? What is the intention behind not releasing a photo of their loved one on her death notice. This was her final journey and a time to announce to the community she's passed away, and her identity is an important part of the notice. If it was a homicide or a natural death there's no reason why the photo can't be posted. It's the Lankan norm to post a pic with the obituary notice. Lankan persons I knew who died here in Aus had a photo of them on their obituary notice in OzLanka. If it was against the family's wishes, what were they preventing/avoiding from not showing her face?

'Passed away suddenly' to me sounds very much like suicide. Otherwise 'passed away' would have been sufficient. Sri Lankans also use 'died under tragic circumstances' in obituaries for murders or accidents. I've seen that alot.

The 'well educated, devout Buddhist, much loved in the community' are not lines I have seen so far in a standard Lankan death notice. Usually that would be a part of the Eulogy. To me it sounded like the distraught family wanted people to know Amesha was a capable woman *despite committing suicide*. Which I'm sure she was. She to me sounds like a deep, loving, very sensitive person.

Buddhists generally cremate. There's a crematorium being mentioned in the obituary. This means the police do not wish to exhume the body in future if needed. That means the cause of death has been identified, and it isnt suspicious. Which again brings us to suicide.

It really made me sad for the family. Broke my heart. Sometimes families do their best but nothing can stop from something like this happening and everything going wrong. I just hope Amesha finally got the peace she didnt seem to have had in this life. I hope she's now in the arms of her mother. RIP

 

[Xantara]

Thanks for that great post, Keshi. Beautifully written, meaningfully informative about Sri Lankan culture and with some deep insights!

I totally agree with you about the suggested rationale for why 'devout Buddhist' and 'well educated' were included in relation to Amesha. The same thoughts crossed my mind, but I didn't know how to put them into words.
It also aligns with the brother being at pains to report that his sister was the 'cleverest' person he knew ...

It is a problem in society with the stigma that is attached to suicide, self harm, depression and other forms of mental illness... Even in Australian society, I have come across suicide or self harm associated with comparisons to intelligence and so forth. That is very misguided.

For whatever reason, and perhaps with the lack of a photograph, I have the sense that the family prefer to keep the association with suicide removed from the whole story. It almost has the feel, to me, of disassociating Amesha with (the manner of) her own death. Of course we don't know whether or not there is still an investigation, but if it were a suicide, perhaps that is why we have not heard a public 'closure' to the matter??

 

[Keshi]

Thanks for that great post, Keshi. Beautifully written, meaningfully informative about Sri Lankan culture and with some deep insights!

I totally agree with you about the suggested rationale for why 'devout Buddhist' and 'well educated' were included in relation to Amesha. The same thoughts crossed my mind, but I didn't know how to put them into words.

It is a problem in society with the stigma that is attached to suicide, self harm, depression and other forms of mental illness... Even in Australian society, I have come across suicide or self harm associated with comparisons to intelligence and so forth. That is very misguided.

For whatever reason, and perhaps with the lack of a photograph, I have the sense that the family prefer to keep the association with suicide removed from the whole story. It almost has the feel, to me, of disassociating Amesha with (the manner of) her own death. Of course we don't know whether or not there is still an investigation, but if it were a suicide, perhaps that is why we have not heard a public 'closure' to the matter??

Yes I agree totally with every word you said here! Often we are told not to be judgemental of the family of the deceased, and to be sensitive towards their feelings. But if it's a suicide and if the family is embarrassed/belittled by it, then who's really being judgmental and insensitive?

I know suicide is a huge embarrassment for our culture. It's almost taboo talk. I know families that conveniently hid the fact their loved one committed suicide and spread lies about the cause of death. It happens all the time. I'm sure it happens in other cultures too, like you said. There's a misconception that those who commit suicide are foolish and have a low IQ, therefore a shame to the family. It is actually a shame that society can't get past this archaic mental wall.

It saddens me deeply that if this was a suicide, it seems her family still can't seem to understand the pain she was going through. Hence her identity remains undisclosed. To me that is like they were embarrassed by what she did? And that must be why the Police isn't releasing the cause of death and photo to the public either. It's the family's wish for sure. It's extremely sad because the way a person dies isn't their whole identity and personality.

No matter how much good we speak of a loved one after they die, if we can't come to terms with the way they died and can't accept it, then we are disrespecting his/her memory and what they believed in.

I'm afraid Xantara that as much and you and I and all others here need closure from Amesha's passing, we may never get it. We may never know the truth behind her story. To me, that is sadder than Amesha's death. Because the best anyone who knew her can do by her now is to tell her story.

 

[Ausgirl]

I don't think she was contemplating self-harm. I don't think this was a suicide, at all.

 

[Keshi]

I don't think she was contemplating self-harm. I don't think this was a suicide, at all.

Initially I didn't think this was a suicide either, but after weeks of not seeing a photo of Amesha being released, her obituary not having a pic either, and the fact that the family and police do not seem to need public assistance to solve the mystery, I'm beginning to think it's a suicide. Maybe she left a note and we won't ever know about it. For some reason I feel the police is aware of exactly what happened to her. Otherwise they would not let the body be cremated, if the case wasn't solved. Also why isn't Amesha's story anywhere in the media after that first day? If it was a homicide and/or abduction/murder, the police would be wanting the public to help, and seek eye-witness accounts?

Sri Lankan culture is such they are all so hush hush about suicide. It is considered a very negative and foolish act, and most traditional Lankans are highly embarrassed by it. Buddhists although the Buddha did not condemn suicide, believe suicide is negative karma and it is a sin to harm yourself, that will in return delay one's journey towards Nirvana - all Buddhists' ultimate goal is enlightenment. And to attain that Buddhists are required to do more positive deeds.

To me personally the mentioning of 'devout Budhhist' in Amesha's obituary was a verbal justification of some sort that she was a good Buddhist despite what has happened?

Also, I know so many families who behaved in the same pattern as that of Amesha's family when someone close to them killed themselves. The anonymity, confidentiality and secrecy of it all suggest to me it is a suicide. It is very sad though to hide the truth and be intimidated by it. But everyone approaches suicide differently.

I also got to know yesterday while doing some research on death certificate laws in Aus, that now families can obscure/hide the 'cause of death' of their loved one on the death certificate if it's a suicide! I found that wrong, exploitative and unethical. It goes to show how much society fears/shuns suicide. The stigma associated with self harm.

Ausgirl I'd love hear your thoughts on this and why you think it's not a suicide. Let's brainstorm and find out what happened to this young, innocent girl. That's the best we can do by her now. As we speak, her funeral is taking place today in Rouse Hill. And it's another rainy day.

 

[Ausgirl]

Keshi, I am glad you're a member, I do like your posts!

Anyway. I have been on several cases here lately that showcase the fact that just because police treat a suspicious death as a suicide, doesn't mean it actually is one. In those cases, the suicide rulings tend to gloss over or ignore details which don't point to suicide..

And why I think this is not suicide is:

a/ It was dark, and the creek area is overgrown and hard to navigate. Probably also quite scary -- *especially* for a girl who by all reports appears to have lived quite a sheltered life.

b/ The creek water would have been freezing, and yes people can drown in half an inch of water, whatever, but try drowning yourself in three feet of it. Life wants to live... it'd be a monumental, highly unpleasant way to die which one's own body would fight against tooth and nail. As for possible hanging - see point A. Dark, scary bit of scrubby land, not a place I would think a girl like Amesha would choose, even if there *was* any evidence for her having some ki9nd of depression (which there currently is not).

c/ Amesha's agitatation in the foyer could as well be that she was seeing someone outside that made her reluctant to go out - familiar or unfamiliar. If it was a resident of the flats, security would have no reason to be on alert about it, if they were even looking out there.

d/ there's been some comments quoted in msm that seem a bit off to me. Is about all I can say on that and still adhere to TOS.

e/ If she'd gone missing before (and is there really any direct proof of that so far?) it might just mean she wasn't all that happy at home, or was rebelling a bit. Not fodder for suicide, there, unless she was actually severely depressed. And there's *zero* proof of that.

 

[Keshi]

That could be true too. Ausgirl you have some great points there.

However I think we are focusing too much on the 'drowning' here. How do even we know that that's the real cause of her death? The preliminary articles stated 'woman found drowned in a shallow creek', that doesn't necessarily mean she died from drowning. That's how it looked when they found her. At that stage they haven't even done the autopsy.

Maybe during the autopsy they found out she had taken a sleeping pill overdose or some other poison before she fell into the creek? Possible. She could have taken something over there, and ended her life at the creek. Self strangulation is also possible in the rarest of cases. I know of a case where a young boy accidentally strangled himself *crushed his windpipe* while putting on a scouts tie. He died instantly. Amesha also had lost her mother. Who knows if she was depressed about it? They are not going to make that public. Just because a news article doesn't give us a piece of information about Amesha, it doesn't mean she was not suffering from mental illness or wasn't under severe distress.

A range of possible ways to die before falling into the creek somehow. About choosing a dark eerie place to kill herself, well I guess you never know what this mind is capable of when it is disturbed. Even the most sheltered of people can do some things very differently. Even getting out of the house at night on a rainy day to get milk and butter alone is not what a sheltered girl would do. Leaving behind her mobile phone as well.

Also how the brother said in an interview that she's the cleverest person he knew. What does one being clever have to do with their death?

 

[Xantara]

That could be true too. Ausgirl you have some great points there.

However I think we are focusing too much on the 'drowning' here. How do even we know that that's the real cause of her death? The preliminary articles stated 'woman found drowned in a shallow creek', that doesn't necessarily mean she died from drowning. That's how it looked when they found her. At that stage they haven't even done the autopsy.

Maybe during the autopsy they found out she had taken a sleeping pill overdose or some other poison before she fell into the creek? Possible. She could have taken something over there, and ended her life at the creek. Self strangulation is also possible in the rarest of cases. I know of a case where a young boy accidentally strangled himself *crushed his windpipe* while putting on a scouts tie. He died instantly. Amesha also had lost her mother. Who knows if she was depressed about it? They are not going to make that public. Just because a news article doesn't give us a piece of information about Amesha, it doesn't mean she was not suffering from mental illness or wasn't under severe distress.

A range of possible ways to die before falling into the creek somehow. About choosing a dark eerie place to kill herself, well I guess you never know what this mind is capable of when it is disturbed. Even the most sheltered of people can do some things very differently. Even getting out of the house at night on a rainy day to get milk and butter alone is not what a sheltered girl would do. Leaving behind her mobile phone as well.

Also how the brother said in an interview that she's the cleverest person he knew. What does one being clever have to do with their death?

Yes, Keshi, the reference to 'cleverest' stood out for me too. Along with references to 'a lot of achievements' etc... Normally, cultures that I am more familiar with, will make references to other qualities, like how much loved a person was, what they enjoyed doing in life - things that are associated with emotions rather than intellect.

 

[Oddsocks]

I went searching for the nsw police Facebook post for the article about Amesha to ask if there is an update, but it has been removed.

 

[Keshi]

I meant 'how do we even know if that that's the real cause of her death' in my last post here. Sorry, late night postings are beginning to show signs of extreme drowsiness Apologies for the many typos/grammar mistakes.

Xantara yes that's exactly my point! Why mention someone's achievements as a first reaction to their death? Which to me sounds like how we'd naturally react to self harm. Like how we'd say he/she had a head above their shoulders and would never do something stupid..right?

 

[Keshi]

I went searching for the nsw police Facebook post for the article about Amesha to ask if there is an update, but it has been removed.

Oh that's sounds really strange Oddsocks. Why would they remove articles so soon? Does that indicate the case has been resolved? Could you ask?

 

[Xantara]

Oh that's sounds really strange Oddsocks. Why would they remove articles so soon? Does that indicate the case has been resolved? Could you ask?

The Facebook article is still on the Parramatta LAC site. You just have to make sure that you are scrolling through 'All Stories', not just 'Highlights'.

 

[Xantara]

Perhaps there was no LifeLine number in newspaper reports because, initially, police really did not know whether or not it was suicide. And, subsequently, perhaps Amesha's family wanted it (if it was deemed to be suicide) to be kept 'quiet'. In the event that it was a suicide, I have also wondered whether Amesha intentionally carried it out in a way that would seem ambiguous, in view of the cultural issues regarding suicide??

 

[butwhatif?]

I desperately hope that MarleyWings and all of our other awesome Mods allow me a little leeway with this post, because it matters so, so much.
Yesterday, the 10th September was international suicide prevention day. Today, is national "RUOK? day here in Oz- also about suicide prevention, but aimed at starting simple, but meaningful discussions , making it okay, and even comfortable for people on both sides to talk about this globally taboo topic. It's hard to believe that we can change or save lives so easily- but we really can.

https://www.ruok.org.au/


Firstly, I want to point out that we don't know what Amesha's COD or MOD was, and we probably never will, but IMO and going on statistics, her death was most likely a suicide.

Feel free to skip past my rambling to get to the stats and facts at the end...

I've really been struggling with a some of the comments by well-meaning posters, especially over the last few pages with all things related to suicide. I'm sad , I'm angry, I'm frustrated and disappointed, but I'm also passionately wanting to spread awareness because I'm shocked at how misinformed people are when it comes to depression and suicide.
Over the years, I've heard people excuse their lack of support because "they just don't know what to say" to the person, and "don't want to say the wrong thing". I can tell you now that it doesn't get more wrong than saying and doing nothing! It doesn't get any more selfish than avoiding the topic and avoiding the person because it make you feel 'uncomfortable'.

We read about and do our best to help with all of the horrific cases we come across on this forum. We do it because we care. We do it because we know that ignoring the ugly, painful truth isn't going to help prevent similar crimes. We do it because we can't pretend these things aren't happening, and that kind of pretending is why people know or believe they can get away with it.We do it because we can't bring ourselves to turn our backs on these victims that we've never even met!

I think we need to ask ourselves why we can't we do the same for the people in our lives struggling with depression or any other mental health issues? We go to some pretty extreme lengths in our case-related research here and we're passionate about it....sometimes even obsessively. We're comfortable discussing things like human decomposition with each other here, even over food, but if we bring it up with friends over dinner or having a few drinks together, they think we're morbid and ask us to stop because of how uncomfortable it makes them.



I've lived with serious mental ilnesses my whole life,and I know how we're treated by family and friends who get tired of our 'self-indulgence' and think we can 'just get over it' through sheer willpower or being more spiritually devout. I can't tell you how many close friends turned their back on me and completely cut me out of their lives with zero explanation. I've shared space and time with other beautiful souls with serious mental illnesses, and have a lot of maternal family members with diagnosed depression, anxiety and bipolar disorder. I know first hand how people who desperatley need professional acute psychiatric care are treated by the 'professionals' and how often they get turned away even after being escorted by police or ambulance after witnessing the suicide attempt themselves.
If I self present, honestly telling them that I'm actively suicidal, I'll get waved off without ever seeing a real psychiatrist... And I'll probably hear those same words about how the hospital isn't for people like me who just want a little holiday from life.
Seeking out help for yourself through the 'professionals' in a crisis doesn't mean you get it...Most of us can't afford to book ourselves into a private hospital, that starts at around 10 grand for 1 week.

We have some awesome campaigns here, encouraging us to use the well established websites to learn the basics, what kind of support is out there,how we can help ourselves and how we can help one another. We know about the free 24 hour lifeline number we can call and that we now how the choice of talking via phone, email, or in real time online. We're taught to reach out to our GP to arrange a mental health plan so we can all have access to quality mental health support. The problem is that most of us don't have a couple of hundred bucks to pay the entire fee, rather than just the gap. We have very few psychiatrists who bulk bill rather than charging a hefty fee, and then giving a rebate.
Not enough acute care beds, not enough (sane ) compassionate psych nurses , not enough affordable access to quality mental health care, and not enough government funding...But that all stems from the general public not knowing enough or caring enough to make some noise and demanding better, more or different from our gvt.

I've been discussing these awareness and suicide prevention days with my 10 yr old daughter who knows about my own journey with mental illness, and I couldn't believe it when she came home from school yesterday , telling me how she'd raised the topic with some friends and even a teacher. If she can do it at 10, while having generalised anxiety disorder, any one can do it. I was even more surprised by what was shared with her because she'd started a simple, but meaningful discussion. One friend talked about being so depressed and alone last yr that she tried to hang herself with a skipping rope. A teacher shared the story about her own sister committing suicide just a few years ago, and how guilty she'd felt for not seeing any of the warning signs, and for letting it go whenever the sister said she was okay, when it was obvious she wasn't.
But she is honouring her sister now in the most meaningful way by sharing her experience, and letting kids know that it's not just okay to talk about this stuff, it's important to talk about it and share genuine emotions, without attaching 'good' or 'bad' to any feeling.


Australian suicide facts and stats:

Investigation of suicide deaths in Australia

For a death to be considered a suicide, three criteria need to be met:
1.The death must be due to unnatural causes (ie injury, poisoning or suffocation) rather than illness;
2.The actions which result in death must be self-inflicted; and
3.The person who injures himself or herself must have had the intention to die.

When suicide is suspected, the case is referred to the Coroner for investigation. If the Coroner is not satisfied that all criteria are met, the death may be deemed accidental (if the Coroner thought there was no intention to die), or the cause of death may be recorded as undetermined (if doubts about intent cannot be resolved). Of course, if the Coroner thinks that the death was not self-inflicted, it may be classified as a homicide.
Apart from physical and forensic evidence, the Coroner may also use testimony from family and friends to determine the frame of mind and intent of the deceased. If there is any doubt, it is probable that the verdict of suicide will not be given.
This raises the possibility that actual suicide rates may be higher than reflected in the published statistics.
It can be particularly difficult to distinguish accidental death from suicide in cases of drug overdose and car accidents

I can personally attest to the inaccurate statistics when the coroner relies on testimony from friends or family....especially when it involves family members who care more about the family name and appearances than honesty and integrity. An inquest ruled my mum's brothers suicide as an accidental death by hanging in the 60's and a 2nd inquest in the 80's relied on the testimony of only 2 of 10 siblings -both of whom are hell-bent on protecting the family's 'good name' because they've traced their fathers bloodline back to some prince or royal dude that makes them feel that they are of Royal importance. Talk about nutcases living in la-la land!


*Note: The coroner is constantly dealing with a huge backlog of cases classified as 'likely' or 'possible suicides' which means the most accurate statistics relating to suicide can take 2-3 years to become public. So expecting the police or media to release Amesha's MOD within days or weeks is asking a little too much.

1) In Australia, the leading cause of death for people between the ages of 15 and 44 is suicide! Not drink driving. Not melanoma, or asthma, or diabetes or any kind of accidental or natural death.
2) The group with the highest rate of suicide is still made up of middle aged men.
3) Between 2011 and 2012 the suicide rate for our teenage girls (15yrs -19yrs) rose by a staggering 63%!

I'll leave it on that note.

https://www.ruok.org.au/

http://www.blackdoginstitute.org.au/

http://www.beyondblue.org.au/

http://www.copmi.net.au/

http://www.headspace.org.au/

You can like/follow and SHARE info and updates from these Australian support and advocacy groups on most social networking sites. The easiest and fastest way for us to spread awareness and make a difference. :grouphug:

"THE ABC is launching Mental As..., the network's biggest cross-platform programming event, for Mental Health Week starting on October 5.

http://www.news.com.au/national/bre...lth-in-spotlight/story-e6frfku9-1227054956315


The Australian ad for international suicide prevention day: 'Reach out and get connected' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD_HK_bYPQ0&sns=fb

I found the ad's 'behind the scenes' video more powerful than the ad itself.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlOcsrhOk1A



Look after yourselves and each other, and remember that it's okay to let people know when you aren't feeling ok. I promise that it gets easier to talk about and getting it out of your head and into the world stops it from getting bigger.

Love and hugs, BWI

 

[Keshi]

Perhaps there was no LifeLine number in newspaper reports because, initially, police really did not know whether or not it was suicide. And, subsequently, perhaps Amesha's family wanted it (if it was deemed to be suicide) to be kept 'quiet'. In the event that it was a suicide, I have also wondered whether Amesha intentionally carried it out in a way that would seem ambiguous, in view of the cultural issues regarding suicide??

It's been more than 2 weeks since her death and there's not a single new piece on information about the investigation or the circumstances in which she died. Or a photo. Which to me clearly indicates it's a 'oh so taboo' suicide. It's extremely sad if it is shunned or prevented being talked about because of cultural stigma. And if Amesha's identity is concealed for that reason. I strongly believe a humanbeing belongs not only to their family but also to the community and the world. Every story is our responsibility as much as it is our right to know and learn from, so we can do things better in future. People must understand this.

 

[Ausgirl]

Yeah well. I'm still swimming against the current - I don't think it was suicide. And we just don't have enough details to know what her cause of death truly was, even. There's a bunch of possible reasons why the story is quiet -- there's not a ton of family and friends speaking in outrage and grief to the media, for one. There's flat out obvious murders that are all but ignored in the press.

But yeah, something is not sitting right with me, so won't be joining the suicide consensus.

BWI -- thank you for that beautiful post. It truly deserves to be repeated in a thread of its own, so more members might read it.

 

[Makara]

Such a sad case. Who was it that reported seeing Amesha in the foyer pacing back and forth? The building manager? Is there CCTV of this or is it only assumed that Amesha was in the foyer because the manager said so? I have a strong feeling that someone in that building knows exactly what happened to Amesha that night. They probably have already distanced themselves from the area or soon will.