Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #79

  • #641
so could this mean the coroner hg has formed an opinion there is an obvious guilty person and will be handing it over to the dpp?

Power to refer to Director of Public Prosecutions​

The Coroner cannot find someone guilty of a crime. If, at any time during the course of an inquest or inquiry, the Coroner forms an opinion that a known person has committed an indictable offence in connection with the death the Coroner is required to suspend the inquest or inquiry and refer the matter to the Director of Public Prosecutions. It is entirely a matter for the Director of Public Prosecutions to determine whether charges should be laid against the person, and a matter for the criminal courts to determine whether the person is guilty.

Similarly, the Coroner cannot determine civil liability, although the Coroner’s finding may be relied upon in subsequent civil proceedings and/or insurance claims
I’m not sure why people even think this is a possibility in this case? Craddock has come out and said there is no evidence. The coroner has been very critical of Laidlaw and task force. There is absolutely no way she will be recommending charges against anyone. She has all the information the DPP has so even more unlikely they will go ahead with charges either. I think it might be time for some people to accept that the fact there is no evidence on FM and if the coroner and DPP do not recommend charges could it be because she actually didn’t do it?
 
  • #642
Maybe she's trying to publish her final report before the Christmas break?

That would be great, but I very much doubt it.

After hearing closing submissions, I don't think it will take her long to give her findings. I believe she had the majority of it already prepared and was almost ready to give them when stalled by Laidlaw and his SF. Let's face it there wasn't anything new in the last week of hearings, well no real evidence anyway, so she won't have to change much.
 
  • #643
That would be great, but I very much doubt it.

After hearing closing submissions, I don't think it will take her long to give her findings. I believe she had the majority of it already prepared and was almost ready to give them when stalled by Laidlaw and his SF. Let's face it there wasn't anything new in the last week of hearings, well no real evidence anyway, so she won't have to change much.
Not much to show for a child missing for 10 years.
 
  • #644
I will be shocked if the coroner rules anything but an open finding.

IMO, there’s no evidence because the case has been botched from Day 1.

An abduction, getting lost, FM involvement are all possibilities. Although FM involvement seems unlikely to me now. I think the only thing she might be guilty of is leaving William unsupervised for longer than 5 minutes. Unfortunately, unless there’s some breakthrough, some people are always going to view her with suspicion.
 
  • #645
Not much to show for a child missing for 10 years.

Nothing except for just how big some people’s egos are.

In my opinion.
 
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One thing I enjoyed about Dan Box’s podcast was hearing from people who knew FM.

Particularly FM niece. At least I think it was her niece.

Because of the suppression orders its been really hard to get a read on FM.

I feel her PR company has failed the fosters here.
 
  • #650
One thing I enjoyed about Dan Box’s podcast was hearing from people who knew FM.

Particularly FM niece. At least I think it was her niece.

Because of the suppression orders its been really hard to get a read on FM.

I feel her PR company has failed the fosters here.
BBM - why would you say that?

The PR company is for The Where's William campaign not the fosters.
 
  • #651
I’m not sure why people even think this is a possibility in this case? Craddock has come out and said there is no evidence. The coroner has been very critical of Laidlaw and task force. There is absolutely no way she will be recommending charges against anyone. She has all the information the DPP has so even more unlikely they will go ahead with charges either. I think it might be time for some people to accept that the fact there is no evidence on FM and if the coroner and DPP do not recommend charges could it be because she actually didn’t do it?
I haven't been following this as closely as I would have liked to have but what you have written makes plenty of sense.

Hopefully we won't have to wait too long for an announcement of the finding.
 
  • #652
I haven't been following this as closely as I would have liked to have but what you have written makes plenty of sense.

Hopefully we won't have to wait too long for an announcement of the finding.

As well, the only factual (not opinion) parts of Laidlaw's statement of facts are unredacted. They include ...

“several individuals [were] nominated as high-risk persons of interest” at previous inquest hearings
“no evidence has emerged to indicate that any of these individuals were implicated or possess knowledge of William’s disappearance”
Mr Laidlaw did not say that any of these “high risk persons of interest” have been ruled out as potential suspects.


 
  • #653
Mr Laidlaw said “significant inconsistencies” were identified during this investigation between the evidence of William’s foster mother and her mother, who was also in the house at the time William was reported missing but who died in 2020.

From news.com.au
I am sure this was mentioned in the coverage of the first inquest in 2020 as the FGM was still alive at that time. However, she did not give evidence.
Somewhere in that first inquest, it was said the reason they did not call her was that she was suffering from dementia.
 
  • #654
Mr Laidlaw said “significant inconsistencies” were identified during this investigation between the evidence of William’s foster mother and her mother, who was also in the house at the time William was reported missing but who died in 2020.

From news.com.au
I am sure this was mentioned in the coverage of the first inquest in 2020 as the FGM was still alive at that time. However, she did not give evidence.
Somewhere in that first inquest, it was said the reason they did not call her was that she was suffering from dementia.
The FGM could have gave evidence in closed court?

It was never said in court that the reason that the FGM was not called was due to her suffering from dementia, it was not even discussed why she wasn't called ( in open court anyway ).
 
  • #655
Mr Laidlaw said “significant inconsistencies” were identified during this investigation between the evidence of William’s foster mother and her mother, who was also in the house at the time William was reported missing but who died in 2020.

From news.com.au
I am sure this was mentioned in the coverage of the first inquest in 2020 as the FGM was still alive at that time. However, she did not give evidence.
Somewhere in that first inquest, it was said the reason they did not call her was that she was suffering from dementia.
Can you link to the information she has dementia? There was never an announcement about her not appearing.
 
  • #656
BBM - The way she justified everything she has done and said with “l represent the biological family and it’s for the child!!”. Moments later Dan tells us that BGM confirms she does NOT represent them. Awkward….
It is awkward Lola, She has never represented them and she has inserted herself very deeply into this investigation, why? And its not the only thing she has done.
 
  • #657
Can you link to the information she has dementia? There was never an announcement about her not appearing.
As I understand it, the reason they were in Kendall, is because the Grandmother's house had been sold as the grandmother was going into a home. I am unsure if she had dementia at the time, that may have been a rumour. And if she did, it would have been early stages at a guess. Advanced dementia requires full care.
 
  • #658
As I understand it, the reason they were in Kendall, is because the Grandmother's house had been sold as the grandmother was going into a home. I am unsure if she had dementia at the time, that may have been a rumour. And if she did, it would have been early stages at a guess. Advanced dementia requires full care.

Was it a "home"? Or was it independent retirement living in Laurieton? Smaller houses that require less maintenance, and a retirement community around her.
I don't think I have ever read that FGM was going into a "home". Is there a link?

imo

 
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Was it a "home"? Or was it independent retirement living in Laurieton? Smaller houses that require less maintenance, and a retirement community around her.

IMO, given the size of the house and its grounds, it would make sense for her to be downsizing at her age to something more manageable.
 
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It seems as this juncture, LE are out of evidence, so they’re now ‘forced’ to delve into possibilities to further the investigation. If it’s in the wrong direction, there’ll be another large settlement coming I’d imagine.
Just imo.
I agree. Not only a large settlement, in particular for charging them with false bidding as its not a criminal offense but a regulatory offense. This charge was the first time ever that one has been brought before a criminal court for a regulatory offense, thus the reason the police withdrew it in court and it was referred to where it should have been. This is malicious persecution. And it goes without saying, Williams sister will most likely sue as well, considering they dragged her out of school to ask hundreds of leading questions and it turned out to be mostly nothing after thousands of hours and 12 months of secret recordings. One would think that if they were listening in and a child was being abused, you would bash down the door to rescue her. But nope.
Was it a "home"? Or was it independent retirement living in Laurieton? Smaller houses that require less maintenance, and a retirement community around her.
I don't think I have ever read that FGM was going into a "home". Is there a link?

imo

Sorry, I do not have access to this article. It's a paid subscription. But I do know she was going into a home of some sorts. And I dont think she had full on dementia at the time either, as she made a statement as per below.

Before she died at the beginning of 2021, a statement from William Tyrrell's foster grandmother about the boy's disappearance was tendered at a coronial inquest.

In the statement the foster grandmother said she had two theories about the boy's disappearance, but added: 'I can't think of anyone who would want to harm William.'

The first theory she shared by police was a man who lived alone on her street, Benaroon Drive, Kendall. Her second was that William may have walked down a nearby highway with 'lots of traffic moving back and forth'.

On the morning he vanished, September 12, 2014, the foster grandmother recalled William was 'full of beans ... jumping out of his skin with energy'.

'William was dressed in his 'Spiderman' costume ... While he was playing out the back patio he started roaring like a tiger and told us he was the 'daddy tiger'.

She said her daughter took the famous last photos of William on the property's balcony and had been contemplating feeding him morning tea. It was about 10.30am.

'William lost interest in drawing pictures and rolling dice and he ran down the two small stairs of the back patio, onto the grass and he ran around the right hand side of the house (to the front).

'That is the last time I saw William.'

'About five minutes had passed and the female foster carer said: ''Mum, he's a little bit quiet' and she walked off the back patio in the direction of where we'd last seen William.'

She next saw the foster mum standing out the front of the house speaking to a neighbour and calling out William's name.

'The female foster carer walked back to the house and told me she was calling the because she couldn't find William.

'The female foster carer called the police (and the male foster carer as well). I think the male foster carer arrived home before the police but I'm not entirely sure.

'The police didn't take long to get there and I remember the officer saying he wasn't far away when the call came in.'

She recalled how the foster carers had travelled up as she was in the process of selling her house as she needed something smaller.

She said William's foster parents were concerned 'that I was going to do the wrong thing, so they decided to come up to Kendall'.
 

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