Babcock Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #3

[NoodlesMcgee]

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ewI don't agree. If MM renamed the iPad it would mean she knew and was implicated.

Why does it mean that? Just means MS gave it to her.

 

[NoodlesMcgee]

How did it get in their possession though? Several pieces of information over both trials suggest DM gave it to them, and at one point Smich even had to point out to Millard that he hadn’t bought the iPaf from him, it had been given. I mean WHAT does that mean? If it is the spoils of a murder they both planned and committed, why does DM have such authority over this iPad? It’s just hard to understand the dyamic right now.

DM is clearly the running the show and paying MS for these deeds. The iPad is part of that.

 

[canadiangirl]

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I don't agree. If MM renamed the iPad it would mean she knew and is implicated.

Knew what? That Mark was given an iPad in exchange for doing a job? Because seems Millard was constantly flipping people little gifts here and there. Money, weed, red bags etc

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[Lupy]

Kamille's post. RSBM

I think MM's testimony next week is going to be very enlightening.

I definitely agree!

 

[Lupy]

Thank you billandrew for your amazing work on that timeline. It is such a valuable resource!

G'night fellow sleuthers. Brand new week, see you tomorrow!

 

[Kamille]

Thank you billandrew for your amazing work on that timeline. It is such a valuable resource!

G'night fellow sleuthers. Brand new week, see you tomorrow!

Just a reminder there is no court tomorrow due to Remembrance Day on Saturday.

 

[Georgeo]

Kamille's post. RSBM

I think MM's testimony next week is going to be very enlightening.

I definitely agree!

too bad no court tomorrow due to Remembrance Day holiday.

 

[JuneBug67]

DM is clearly the running the show and paying MS for these deeds. The iPad is part of that.

The iPad that he almost gave to Marlena instead? The one MS had to remind him he hadn’t bought from him? I really dont think it is as clear as some suggest. Smich obviously knew where it came from, and why it was now available, but there is motivation for DM not to have it around because it’s his crew that knew Laura. DM just doesn’t seem to act like it’s something that’s been earned.

 

[saulgoodman]

Not sure how much MM knew about DM and MS were up to. I think even if she had an inclination of what DM and MS were capable of doing, that she may of been scared for her own life. That she would play dumb, so she would not meet the destiny of their EVILS.
We shall see how she does in the Witness Box.

 

[mojatato]

Billandrew excellent timeline post. It has helped me understand the interaction back and forth! A lot of time and energy went into this. Thank you, again!

 

[MsSherlock]

The iPad that he almost gave to Marlena instead? The one MS had to remind him he hadn’t bought from him? I really dont think it is as clear as some suggest. Smich obviously knew where it came from, and why it was now available, but there is motivation for DM not to have it around because it’s his crew that knew Laura. DM just doesn’t seem to act like it’s something that’s been earned.

IMO the iPad was nothing more than divvying up the proceeds of their crimes. I don't think we have large enough imaginations to think of all the stuff that Psycho DM claimed distribution rights to and cast off to his followers at the end of the "missions". LB was wearing a nice necklace and had a pair of trendy sunglasses in that most recent video- wonder if MM or CN got those trinkets? If LB's red suit case was there, it leaves me guessing what happened to the stuff in it? MS knew who's iPad it was. I don't care who changed the name.

For me, guessing their actions by a series of text messages is difficult at best- IMO, there were many face to face and phone conversations outside those texts. MS was more than aware that it was a murdered LB the two of them were "talking to outback" that night.

DM and MS are pure evil. DM would have killed anyone- and MS would have helped him. MOO

 

[Satchie]

The iPad that he almost gave to Marlena instead? The one MS had to remind him he hadn’t bought from him? I really dont think it is as clear as some suggest. Smich obviously knew where it came from, and why it was now available, but there is motivation for DM not to have it around because it’s his crew that knew Laura. DM just doesn’t seem to act like it’s something that’s been earned.

They were buddies, and presumably partners in crime, not employer /employee, so don't think it would have worked for DM to literally pay MS off. But MS did need to get some benefit for his involvement and loyalty.

There's a psychological line between being generous to your friends and buying them. As the rich guy, I think DM was well aware of it. It's probably also true he didn't want anything belonging to LB in his house, but I know many people who will make a 'gift' of something they don't themselves want.

I do agree DM was always the one in the drivers seat, in his relationship with MS. Batman and Robin.

 

[Grey-St]

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I don't agree. If MM renamed the iPad it would mean she knew and is implicated.

I think if MM renamed the iPad, it means all she knew was that they stole an iPad, bought an iPad, or were given an iPad. I don’t think it implicates her in a murder in any way.

Her testimony this week should really shed some light in my opinion.

 

[lclabtech]

I keep seeing references to a billandrew timeline but I can’t see it. Is it because I’m on Tapatalk?


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[inbetweendoors]

I keep seeing references to a billandrew timeline but I can’t see it. Is it because I’m on Tapatalk?


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Yeah Tapatalk doesn't show signatures.

Here's the timeline:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Hb6kEtpLa8cHCVorBuy4yqfHymGvhfHeM6s8QMWGVW8/pubhtml

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[lclabtech]

Thank you!


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[JuneBug67]

IMO the iPad was nothing more than divvying up the proceeds of their crimes. I don't think we have large enough imaginations to think of all the stuff that Psycho DM claimed distribution rights to and cast off to his followers at the end of the "missions". LB was wearing a nice necklace and had a pair of trendy sunglasses in that most recent video- wonder if MM or CN got those trinkets? If LB's red suit case was there, it leaves me guessing what happened to the stuff in it? MS knew who's iPad it was. I don't care who changed the name.

For me, guessing their actions by a series of text messages is difficult at best- IMO, there were many face to face and phone conversations outside those texts. MS was more than aware that it was a murdered LB the two of them were "talking to outback" that night.

DM, and MS are pure evil. DM would have killed anyone- and MS would have helped him. MOO

Regarding your last sentence RBBM - another thing it’s hard to figure is that out of the three alleged murders in this evil constellation, the one where it would have made the most sense to have Mark directly involved - WM - he is not charged. Dellen NEEDS an alibi for this one, but he is alleged to have done it himself despite theoreticaly having a murderous wingman/partner in crime at his disposal. Weird.

 

[lclabtech]

Wow, that timeline is incredible. Good work billandrew.

When the texts are laid out like that in order and aren’t all over the place in tweets it sure gives you a different perspective and tells more of a story.

CN knew everything, that’s my feeling. And wore it as a badge of honour or sign of DM’s loyalty.


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[MsSherlock]

Regarding your last sentence RBBM - another thing it’s hard to figure is that out of the three alleged murders in this evil constellation, the one where it would have made the most sense to have Mark directly involved - WM - he is not charged. Dellen NEEDS an alibi for this one, but he is alleged to have done it himself despite theoreticaly having a murderous wingman/partner in crime at his disposal. Weird.

Yes, the WM murder is strange in the fact that MS has escaped charges on it. IMHO, it doesn't mean that he wasn't fully involved- just his prints weren't all over it. IIRC, MS was living at Maple Gate at that time, so maybe there was nothing of substance via texts etc that LE could collect to snag him with. DM couldn't use the Eliminator on his dad (even though he may have wanted to)- he needed a "body" for the sympathy, death certificate aka quick access to the ATM and instant shut down of the MRO. If WM had become a missing person, way too many people would have started asking questions but then, if the LB case was any example, TPS may never have taken an interest. IMO, that was the last thing DM wanted- he definitely needed a body with that one to close out the books.
So, I don't think that just because MS didn't get charged with WM's murder, doesn't mean that he wasn't in on the planning. The evidence for both the TB and LB murder has been heavily bolstered by text messages, cell phone movements etc. I lean towards thinking that DM liked to kill by himself and MS was just the lurking assistant- never actually doing the kill, but getting to feel important by helping plan it. MOO

 

[mskrisc]

Regarding your last sentence RBBM - another thing it’s hard to figure is that out of the three alleged murders in this evil constellation, the one where it would have made the most sense to have Mark directly involved - WM - he is not charged. Dellen NEEDS an alibi for this one, but he is alleged to have done it himself despite theoreticaly having a murderous wingman/partner in crime at his disposal. Weird.

IMO... MS was probably just as involved in the WM murder, but wasn’t charged because LE didn’t have anything against him. Apparently MS wasn’t home that evening and DM was out dinning with MB


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