Barnhill

[Rupert]

The Barnhills and their son were estranged. I do recall reading that he had visited Boulder but didn't look them up because of the estrangement. Happens I guess.

I would have thought under these circumstances that 15th St would be the last place Barnhill Jnr would want to be - if he was avoiding his parents.

I wish there was some way of waving a magic wand to find out the truth.

First I want to repeat that I started the thread with quotations from other threads, so sorry if I can't answer promptly (or at all) on a number of sources. I am trying to search them out as well.

Does anyone know what church the Barnhills might have been affiliated with?

What I find intriguing is why JBS would say one thing about (someone looking like) JAR approaching the house and later change his story. Why (mistake, truth or...)?

Then I find it doubly intriguing, that JBJ was estranged from his family.
Was he in fact in Boulder at Christmas? Did he in fact lie about his alibi of being outside of Boulder at this time?

Also, on the DNA, isn't there the family tree thing?

 

[capps]

Yes, it is a good question. The only thing I could find was this from an article on high-tech forensic criminology in the Great Falls Tribune, published May 30, 2005:

"Because scientists can't determine when the DNA was deposited, its presence simply places the person it belongs to at the scene."

greatfallstribune.com/apps/pbcs.d11/article?AID=/2005

BlueCrab,

Thank you for looking that up. I tried opening the link,but it said page cannot be found.
So,I just spent about an hour searching for more info,and like you,I didn't find much.

 

[Camper]

Thank you why_nutt.


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[Zman]

It's become apparent to me that you are not reading any of the JBR books that are out. The questions that you ask are answered by either John or Patsy in the NE book. It contains the interrogations of both Ramseys.

JR said In his 6/98 interview that the suitcase belonged to his ex-wife if I remember right. JAR may of used it to bring things back and forth from college. Funny finding seman stains on a college boys blanket.

16 LOU SMIT: Okay. Let's talk about suitcases a

17 little bit as long as your talking about it now.

18 It was right up against the wall?

19 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah.

20 LOU SMIT: And you said you had taken that

21 down. When did you?

22 JOHN RAMSEY: Months before, probably, months

23 before, two months before. It was one of these big

24 Samsonite suitcases that, I don't know, the kids

25 used it to bring some clothes home, the older

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1 kids. Sometimes it ended up at our house. I don't

2 think it was our suitcase. It seemed to belong to

3 Cindy Johnson, my ex-wife.

4 But it was here for a while. It was up in the

5 laundry room. I remember taking it downstairs to

6 clean up. And I think I just kind of sat it in

7 this room here


The flashlight? I still see no where in any book where they admit to it without a doubt being their flashlight. Only that it could be.

But you could save me a lot or rereading if you give the book and page number.

 

[Rupert]

The suitcase that contained JAR's semen-stained blanket was kept in the basement, which is considered a part of the crime scene. Why the blanket was in the suitcase, along with a Dr. Seuss book with JAR's name on it, and why fibers from the blanket were on JonBenet's genital area, are the $64,000 questions.

I also recall this "fibre" connection of the suitcase to the crime and never really looked into it. If indeed there was such a connection, you would think it would have been made much more public. Either the perp could not take the suitcase through the window, or the perp needed to hide the blanket in the suitcase, or it was planted. Seems to have a focus on JAR (or his comings and goings to the university campus), regardless IDI or RDI. Seems it might also to have some focus on LHP.

Mysterious, but if in fact there is a "fibre" connection, then we know that the perp opened and closed that suitcase. I understand JR moved it around.

 

[tipper]

[...]
Mysterious, but if in fact there is a "fibre" connection, then we know that the perp opened and closed that suitcase. I understand JR moved it around.

I thought it was Fleet who moved it around?

 

[sissi]

I haven't read anything pointing to fibers from the blanket being on her genitals,BC, however I have read that there were fibers found in that suitcase that were found on her clothing. We probably need a "refresher"..... fibers from the rope found on her bed? fibers from the blanket found on bedding in the suitcase? I won't pretend to remember this , and am hoping someone can point me toward some "refresher" info.

oh..and this is NOT A PROVEN fact, but interesting nonetheless,
it has been suggested dna x could have been dna from the "hair"

 

[Rupert]

That's right sissi. We need a refresher.

If FW was the only person that moved it around, interesting. FW opened the door.

Barnhill thought he saw JAR and and one of FW's guests looked like JAR.

Hmmm.

 

[aussiesheila]

Barnhill thought he saw JAR and and one of FW's guests looked like JAR.

Rupert, please could you post where you came across this piece of information. I have not heard of this before. Did someone who knew both FW's guest and JAR say this or is it someone else's observation based on photographs? Or what?

 

[Zman]

JR said In his 6/98 interview that the suitcase belonged to his ex-wife if I remember right. JAR may of used it to bring things back and forth from college. Funny finding seman stains on a college boys blanket.

16 LOU SMIT: Okay. Let's talk about suitcases a

17 little bit as long as your talking about it now.

18 It was right up against the wall?

19 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah.

20 LOU SMIT: And you said you had taken that

21 down. When did you?

22 JOHN RAMSEY: Months before, probably, months

23 before, two months before. It was one of these big

24 Samsonite suitcases that, I don't know, the kids

25 used it to bring some clothes home, the older

0155

1 kids. Sometimes it ended up at our house. I don't

2 think it was our suitcase. It seemed to belong to

3 Cindy Johnson, my ex-wife.

4 But it was here for a while. It was up in the

5 laundry room. I remember taking it downstairs to

6 clean up. And I think I just kind of sat it in

7 this room here


The flashlight? I still see no where in any book where they admit to it without a doubt being their flashlight. Only that it could be.

But you could save me a lot or rereading if you give the book and page number.

Still waiting.

 

[tipper]

Still waiting.

There may be more references to it but this is what I found in a quick search

You should download the whole interview as a word file.

http://www.jonbenetindexguide.com/1998BPD-John-Interview-Complete.htm

22 LOU SMIT: What kind of flashlight do you
23 have?
24 JOHN RAMSEY: Well we've got several, I guess.
25 One that, I believe, came up as an item was this
0145

1 MAG light flashlight. If it's the one I think it
2 is, my son gave me that for a Christmas present a
3 year or two ago. And that was probably in the bar.
4 The bar drawer was typically where it was kept.
25 LOU SMIT: Does that look like flashlight
0242

1 that you have or does --
2 JOHN RAMSEY: I mean, it could be. It
3 looks a little bigger than the one I had. But it
4 could have been the same one.
5 LOU SMIT: Were you ever shown the
6 flashlight?
7 JOHN RAMSEY: No.
8 LOU SMIT: Where does that flashlight
9 appear to be here?
10 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, it's on the kitchen
11 counter.
12 LOU SMIT: Can you point on the diagram
13 where that is?
14 JOHN RAMSEY: It's right here. (INAUDIBLE)
15 is right there.
16 LOU SMIT: Do you have any idea how it got
17 there?
18 JOHN RAMSEY: No.
19 LOU SMIT: Did you put it there?
20 JOHN RAMSEY: No. Not that I recall.
21 LOU SMIT: Did you use a flashlight at all
22 that morning to look for JonBenet?
23 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't think so. There was
24 no reason to turn the lights on. I wouldn't even
25 bet that our flashlight worked. If I were to bet,
0243

1 I'll bet it wouldn't work. We just didn't keep up
2 with that.
9 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. It was a smaller one.
10 You've got to show this to John Andrew. He might
11 remember because he bought it for me.
12 LOU SMIT: Do you know when he got it for
13 you?
14 JOHN RAMSEY: No. It was like a father's
15 day or birthday or Christmas present. It may have
16 been a year or two before. And it looks kind of
17 big. But it could have been the same one.

 

[tipper]

I also recall this "fibre" connection of the suitcase to the crime and never really looked into it. If indeed there was such a connection, you would think it would have been made much more public. Either the perp could not take the suitcase through the window, or the perp needed to hide the blanket in the suitcase, or it was planted. Seems to have a focus on JAR (or his comings and goings to the university campus), regardless IDI or RDI. Seems it might also to have some focus on LHP.

Mysterious, but if in fact there is a "fibre" connection, then we know that the perp opened and closed that suitcase. I understand JR moved it around.

Steve Thomas’s book, Hardcover & ppbk page 20:


White went downstairs. The lights were on, and the shadows danced in the big basement. A small broken window in a large room where a model railroad was laid out caught his attention, and on the floor beneath the window he found a piece of glass, which he placed on the ledge. He dropped to his hands and knees, searching for other pieces of glass and moved a suitcase in doing so. Unknowingly, he was altering a vital part of the crime scene. In the coming months, claims would be made that a mysterious intruder came through that window and used the suitcase as a step.

John 1998 Interview

1 JOHN RAMSEY: But it was open and there
2 was
3 a suitcase under it. This hard Samsonite suitcase.
4 LOU SMIT: Describe how the suitcase was
5 positioned?
6 JOHN RAMSEY: It was against the wall. I think
7 the handle was on top. It was directly under the
8 window, as I recall. And I closed the window, I
9 don't know why, but I closed it. And then --
10 LOU SMIT: When you closed it, did you loc
11 it or close it?
12 JOHN RAMSEY: I latched it. There's a little
13 latch on it.
14 LOU SMIT: And you're sure of that?
[...]

12 And the suitcase was unusual. That shouldn't have
13 been there. I took that suitcase downstairs, I
14 remember. But I sure wouldn't have taken it all
15 the way back there and put it against the window.
16 LOU SMIT: Okay. Let's talk about suitcases a
17 little bit as long as your talking about it now.
18 It was right up against the wall?
19 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah.
20 LOU SMIT: And you said you had taken that
21 down. When did you?
22 JOHN RAMSEY: Months before, probably, months
23 before, two months before. It was one of these big
24 Samsonite suitcases that, I don't know, the kids
25 used it to bring some clothes home, the older
0155
1 kids. Sometimes it ended up at our house. I don't
2 think it was our suitcase. It seemed to belong to
3 Cindy Johnson, my ex-wife.
4 But it was here for a while. It was up in the
5 laundry room. I remember taking it downstairs to
6 clean up. And I think I just kind of sat it in
7 this room here.
8 LOU SMIT: That would be in that hall?
9 JOHN RAMSEY: Just in the landing in the hall
10 area.
11 LOU SMIT: Okay.
12 JOHN RAMSEY: But I'm 99.9 percent taken I
13 wouldn't have taken it all the way back and set it
14 against that wall.

 

[BlueCrab]

Steve Thomas?s book, Hardcover & ppbk page 20:


White went downstairs. The lights were on, and the shadows danced in the big basement. A small broken window in a large room where a model railroad was laid out caught his attention, and on the floor beneath the window he found a piece of glass, which he placed on the ledge. He dropped to his hands and knees, searching for other pieces of glass and moved a suitcase in doing so. Unknowingly, he was altering a vital part of the crime scene. In the coming months, claims would be made that a mysterious intruder came through that window and used the suitcase as a step.

John 1998 Interview

1 JOHN RAMSEY: But it was open and there
2 was
3 a suitcase under it. This hard Samsonite suitcase.
4 LOU SMIT: Describe how the suitcase was
5 positioned?
6 JOHN RAMSEY: It was against the wall. I think
7 the handle was on top. It was directly under the
8 window, as I recall.
[/size]

The testimony about the suitcase appears to contain another verbal slip by John Ramsey.

Fleet White searched the basement at about 6:15 AM and moved the suitcase from under the window so he could search for glass fragments. But four hours later when John Ramsey supposedly searched the basement around 10:00 AM he says the suitcase was against the wall and directly under the window.

If John saw the suitcase against the wall directly under the window then that had to have occurred PRIOR to Fleet White's search at 6:15 AM. Fleet moved the suitcase away from the window at that time.

It's further evidence that John Ramsey, despite denying it, had been in the basement prior to Fleet White's search at 9:15 AM and prior to Patsy calling 911 at 5:52 AM. It appears John has been caught in another lie.

BlueCrab

 

[tipper]

We went through this recently. Do you remember the name of the thread?

 

[BlueCrab]

We went through this recently. Do you remember the name of the thread?

tipper,

This event is a little different, and is additional proof that John had been in the basement prior to making the 911 call, even though he denies it.

The other event that was recently discussed was in regard to the chair in front of the train room door. John said when he slipped unnoticed into the basement and searched at 10:00 AM there was a chair he had to move to get into the train room. Yet, Officer Rick French and Fleet White each searched the train room a little past 6:00 AM and there was no chair there. John had apparently let something verbally slip that he shouldn't. If John had moved the chair, it had to have been PRIOR to 6:00 AM because the chair wasn't blocking the door at 6:00 AM.

John is repeating a similar verbal slip with respect to the suitcase. He said when he secretly went down into the basement by himself at about 10:00 AM the suitcase was against the wall and directly under the window. But Fleet had moved the suitcase at 6:15 AM while searching for broken glass. If John saw the suitcase against the wall directly under the window, it had to have been PRIOR to 6:00 AM. and not 10:00 AM because Fleet had moved the suitcase at 6:15 AM.

John being tripped up about the chair in front of the train room door and the suitcase under the window is proof that John Ramsey is lying about not searching the basement prior to calling 911 at 5:52 AM. He searched the basement early that morning all right, just as any father would have done, and he likely found JonBenet. After finding the body, probably about 2 hours before Patsy made the 911 call at 5:52 AM, the Ramseys completed the staging and initiated the coverup -- obviously to protect a Ramsey family member who had just killed JonBenet.

The locations of the chair and the suitcase, and John's own inadvertent admissions during the police interviews, is convincing evidence John was in the basement long before the 911 call was made. John had to have been lying when he claimed he wasn't in the basement prior to the 911 call.

Therefore, a Ramsey is likely involved in the death of JonBenet; the body was staged to try to mask the sexual aspects of the crime; the fake ransom note was intended to shift the blame to an intruder; and Patsy's 911 call was a performance and not sincere.

John's lies about the chair and the suitcase prove it.

BlueCrab

 

[Zman]

There may be more references to it but this is what I found in a quick search

You should download the whole interview as a word file.

http://www.jonbenetindexguide.com/1998BPD-John-Interview-Complete.htm

22 LOU SMIT: What kind of flashlight do you
23 have?
24 JOHN RAMSEY: Well we've got several, I guess.
25 One that, I believe, came up as an item was this
0145

1 MAG light flashlight. If it's the one I think it
2 is, my son gave me that for a Christmas present a
3 year or two ago. And that was probably in the bar.
4 The bar drawer was typically where it was kept.
25 LOU SMIT: Does that look like flashlight
0242

1 that you have or does --
2 JOHN RAMSEY: I mean, it could be. It
3 looks a little bigger than the one I had. But it
4 could have been the same one.
5 LOU SMIT: Were you ever shown the
6 flashlight?
7 JOHN RAMSEY: No.
8 LOU SMIT: Where does that flashlight
9 appear to be here?
10 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, it's on the kitchen
11 counter.
12 LOU SMIT: Can you point on the diagram
13 where that is?
14 JOHN RAMSEY: It's right here. (INAUDIBLE)
15 is right there.
16 LOU SMIT: Do you have any idea how it got
17 there?
18 JOHN RAMSEY: No.
19 LOU SMIT: Did you put it there?
20 JOHN RAMSEY: No. Not that I recall.
21 LOU SMIT: Did you use a flashlight at all
22 that morning to look for JonBenet?
23 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't think so. There was
24 no reason to turn the lights on. I wouldn't even
25 bet that our flashlight worked. If I were to bet,
0243

1 I'll bet it wouldn't work. We just didn't keep up
2 with that.
9 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. It was a smaller one.
10 You've got to show this to John Andrew. He might
11 remember because he bought it for me.
12 LOU SMIT: Do you know when he got it for
13 you?
14 JOHN RAMSEY: No. It was like a father's
15 day or birthday or Christmas present. It may have
16 been a year or two before. And it looks kind of
17 big. But it could have been the same one.

No need to download it I have it on file. I don't see anywhere in the above answers JR admiting that this flashlight is his, only that it could be his.

JOHN RAMSEY: I mean, it could be. It
3 looks a little bigger than the one I had. But it
4 could have been the same one.

 

[Toltec]

Okay....did John say he placed the suitcase in the laundry room, or the hallway leading to the laundry room???

Patsy testified that the last place she saw the suitcase was in the boiler room....

The suitcase is kind of like the ransom note...traveling hither and yon.

 

[tipper]

It sounds like they may be talking about the same general area:


1998
8 LOU SMIT: That would be in that hall?
9 JOHN RAMSEY: Just in the landing in the hall
10 area.
11 LOU SMIT: Okay.
1998
24 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, somewhere back like kind
25 of over in here, by the -- where the hot water heater
0414
1 area was is another little area. I thought it was more
2 in here. Unless Linda moved it over here when she put
3 the paint stuff there, I don't know. That looks out of
4 place.
5 TOM HANEY: You are thinking it was last in
6 that area between the wine cellar and the bathroom by
7 the stairs.
8 PATSY RAMSEY: Right, that little door there.
9 TOM HANEY: Were there other suitcases or
36

 

[tipper]

[...]Fleet White searched the basement at about 6:15 AM and moved the suitcase from under the window so he could search for glass fragments. [...]

BlueCrab

ST p 20.
"By the time the sun rose at 6:30, the Whites and Fernies had arrived to comfort their friends. [...]

As if to demonstrate that problem, Fleet White stepped away from the little group attending the Ramseys and took a walk inside the house, certainly with the best of intentions. [...] Maybe JonBenet was doing the same thing, just playfully hiding somewhere.

White went downstairs."

It was after 6:30 when Fleet started his walk inside the house.

'Best of intentions' according to what proof?

Did he and ST think it possible JonBenet was 'playfully hiding' after she 'playfully' wrote the 3 page note?

 

[BlueCrab]

ST p 20.
"By the time the sun rose at 6:30, the Whites and Fernies had arrived to comfort their friends. [...]

As if to demonstrate that problem, Fleet White stepped away from the little group attending the Ramseys and took a walk inside the house, certainly with the best of intentions. [...] Maybe JonBenet was doing the same thing, just playfully hiding somewhere.

White went downstairs."

It was after 6:30 when Fleet started his walk inside the house.

'Best of intentions' according to what proof?

Did he and ST think it possible JonBenet was 'playfully hiding' after she 'playfully' wrote the 3 page note?

Tipper,

Fleet White searched the house amost immediately after getting there, which would have been about 6:15 AM. It was still pitch black outside. Sunrise in Boulder on the 26th was 7:20 AM, not 6:30 AM.