CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #10

[suzyq211]

Going off to read that memorabilia list has made me feel like Scott of the Antartic; 'I am going out and I may be gone some time....' I fell asleep halfway through.
I don't know if any of you guessed already what this English person would find most shocking, but to me, taking the tea cups from someone's house is truly the mark of an uncivilized person. No matter who they were supposed to belong to.
What a disgraceful thing for any family to have on record, in a public document. Who on earth was the main culprit in turning this from a situation where, apparently, daughters are concerned enough about F's welfare to worry about her sheets; to one where they are taking away the bed the sheets are on?

There are some points I found very interesting in the other documents but I'll post them later, after I've had a nice, calming cup of tea.

BBM

In your OWN cup, I hope?? ;-)

 

[GrainneDhu]

Yes, but c'mon, you guys. Remember, Mr. Harrod was "only" a cook, as per his daughters.

My dad was a surgeon but they still taught him how to fight. And on occasion, the competitive fire leaps up in that gentle Buddhist spirit.

I can tell because he always emails me and just happens to mention how many guys at the gym started their cardio with him and could not keep up. LOL!

 

[believe09]

It doesnt matter what position or rank you hold in the military-I am pretty sure you go through training like everyone else. Bob was a tough guy-he was very smart, he amassed a large fortune, he cared for his wife and daughters and they wanted for nothing-nice houses, vehicles that he gave a way, substantial loans to all. According to PE, at least one of them had some financial difficulties (PB by his reckoning) but that could happen to any one. Two out of three didnt make it to the marital benchmark of their parents, but that isnt uncommon either.

But they despised him-and I agree zwiebel...it is hard to imagine the bitterness they must have felt towards their mother. She stayed with him and witnessed their apparent misery.

What gets me about the list, zwiebel-Bob and Georgia moved from a much larger home in Monrovia...a home they occupied for decades. They downsized and yet didnt own just about a single thing in Placentia. Nothing. Not a piece of artwork, not a knicknack, not any of the nice beds or sheets.

 

[zwiebel]

BBM

In your OWN cup, I hope?? ;-)

Lol! Given to me by one of my workmen, a sweet, generous, young man with beautiful manners. So no fears he'll be snatching it back at any time.....

 

[SuziQ]

I agree that forensics would have shown something, and may have. OC Sheriff's CSI processed the house, a second look undoubtedly-wasnt that in 2011 folks? We are talking state of the art, sophisticated well financed OC Sheriff's CSI. There is something there, I feel quite sure. We were positive at the time of the visit. Actually it was a local neighbor who tipped us off, if I recall correctly. One of Bob's neighbors, I mean. In any case, in spite of the house being in the hands of family until Fontelle returned, I am sure they got what they expected from the house.

The mention of the neighbor reminds me of something I've wanted to bring up for awhile now. Wasn't it this same neighbor who also posted that Georgia's daughters rarely visited or provided any care in the last six months or a year that she was alive? Pointing out the obvious that this is ironic considering these same daughters often used Georgia's apparent poor care and treatment to excuse their vile behavior towards Bob and then his new wife.

Do you or anyone remember this and can point me to a post?

 

[SuziQ]

And let me add I don't believe this was ever about their love for Georgia, or Bob being an awful father and husband. I think it's always been about money.

 

[zwiebel]

It doesnt matter what position or rank you hold in the military-I am pretty sure you go through training like everyone else. Bob was a tough guy-he was very smart, he amassed a large fortune, he cared for his wife and daughters and they wanted for nothing-nice houses, vehicles that he gave a way, substantial loans to all. According to PE, at least one of them had some financial difficulties (PB by his reckoning) but that could happen to any one. Two out of three didnt make it to the marital benchmark of their parents, but that isnt uncommon either.

But they despised him-and I agree zwiebel...it is hard to imagine the bitterness they must have felt towards their mother. She stayed with him and witnessed their apparent misery.

What gets me about the list, zwiebel-Bob and Georgia moved from a much larger home in Monrovia...a home they occupied for decades. They downsized and yet didnt own just about a single thing in Placentia. Nothing. Not a piece of artwork, not a knicknack, not any of the nice beds or sheets.

I don't know anyone in the military but I did a story about field hospitals once and as far as I recall everyone was fit and trained to within an inch of their life. There was also absolutely no hint of a cook being looked down upon, in fact every single soldier seemed to be of the opinion the cooks were very, very important indeed!

Your point about about Bob's possessions, believe09 - you're so right, it simply isn't believable that so many were 'borrowed' from family. In fact, the things belonging to his first wife obviously were not borrowed. I'd have thought they became Bob's after she passed. They're the things I can understand the daughters wanting actually, but what I do not get is why they were allowed or would want to take anything from his house at all. He hasn't been declared dead even now. I suppose it's all the legal shennanigans allowing them to do that.

The little barb in the inventory about the chair elevator having to stay 'as per my father's wishes', caught my attention - if they had cared a fig about Bob's wishes they wouldn't have taken anything at all. I bet he would have hit the roof if he had suddenly come home and found all those things gone.

 

[believe09]

I don't know anyone in the military but I did a story about field hospitals once and as far as I recall everyone was fit and trained to within an inch of their life. There was also absolutely no hint of a cook being looked down upon, in fact every single soldier seemed to be of the opinion the cooks were very, very important indeed!

Your point about about Bob's possessions, believe09 - you're so right, it simply isn't believable that so many were 'borrowed' from family. In fact, the things belonging to his first wife obviously were not borrowed. I'd have thought they became Bob's after she passed. They're the things I can understand the daughters wanting actually, but what I do not get is why they were allowed or would want to take anything from his house at all. He hasn't been declared dead even now. I suppose it's all the legal shennanigans allowing them to do that.

The little barb in the inventory about the chair elevator having to stay 'as per my father's wishes', caught my attention - if they had cared a fig about Bob's wishes they wouldn't have taken anything at all. I bet he would have hit the roof if he had suddenly come home and found all those things gone.

Personally, the vultures circling for his possessions is a vision that sprang to my mind when the list first came out. It is one of those things that is water under the bridge for me, although it clearly demonstrates that these women were quite certain Bob was not coming back. He wouldnt have stood for his house being stripped. That I am sure of.

As for the chair elevator-I find this some what awkward request to be something worth pondering....it sticks out because of the raid on the house and Bob's possessions.

We have seen a number of posts from Bob's children referring to them picking up items belonging to Georgia BEFORE he disappeared. So I am a little skeptical that many of her things were left behind after those visits.

You know, all of this is relevant when considering exactly when everyone seemed to know that Bob was not going to return. AH appears to have been the first. He stopped paying on his mortgage right away. Then if you take a look at the picture painted by these women using their own words and actions...well it seems everyone had a pretty clear idea. It is almost like they went into bash mode in an attempt to make Bob appear so detestable, he wasnt worth looking for.

But Mrs Harrod was determined, and appears to remain determined, to continue looking for him. lease:

 

[Angelo]

Remember the daughters were posting on the FB page as if Mr. Harrod were alive and writing the posts himself?

Examples:



Robert Harrod: Hi Paul,

You are my best friend and I miss you too.


Robert Harrod: Please help find me and bring me back home.

 

[zwiebel]

Remember the daughters were posting on the FB page as if Mr. Harrod were alive and writing the posts himself?

Examples:



Robert Harrod: Hi Paul,

You are my best friend and I miss you too.


Robert Harrod: Please help find me and bring me back home.

Not only are these remarks very disturbing, but they also make the person writing them appear disturbed. I think F is very courageous to have stayed in the house with this around her.

 

[zwiebel]

Personally, the vultures circling for his possessions is a vision that sprang to my mind when the list first came out. It is one of those things that is water under the bridge for me, although it clearly demonstrates that these women were quite certain Bob was not coming back. He wouldnt have stood for his house being stripped. That I am sure of.

As for the chair elevator-I find this some what awkward request to be something worth pondering....it sticks out because of the raid on the house and Bob's possessions.

We have seen a number of posts from Bob's children referring to them picking up items belonging to Georgia BEFORE he disappeared. So I am a little skeptical that many of her things were left behind after those visits.

You know, all of this is relevant when considering exactly when everyone seemed to know that Bob was not going to return. AH appears to have been the first. He stopped paying on his mortgage right away. Then if you take a look at the picture painted by these women using their own words and actions...well it seems everyone had a pretty clear idea. It is almost like they went into bash mode in an attempt to make Bob appear so detestable, he wasnt worth looking for.

But Mrs Harrod was determined, and appears to remain determined, to continue looking for him. lease:

A few of the things that struck me immediately about the reports:
AH had keys at least, because he let the police in the front door.
JuM knew the location of the safe keys, so if she was trusted with that info I am sure she also had house keys.
JeM did enough repairs to keep his tools at the house, but part of F's settlement included the daughters agreeing to carry out all the repairs the parties agreed were needed? And might this mean somewhere there is a document detailing what work needed to be done? That could be interesting.
LE checked the garden and saw no sign of disturbance (good. That was playing on my mind).
LE (IMO) were fed exactly the right information to cause them to list Bob as voluntary missing. That caused a vital delay when evidence could have been gathered. FH was used, brazenly and shamelessly, to do this so the real person/people behind it could remain hidden.

That was a terrible thing to do to her. I hope she lives to 120 and maintains her right to live in her husband's house until the day she dies.*

 

[zwiebel]

Another thing, AH kept his computer at Bob's. I'm sure it was his as I can't imagine Bob wanting one. I do wonder why though. Probably an innocent reason, although it would have meant that computer had an IP address that was entirely separate from the owner's home address.

Oh, and all the Patricia Cornwall books reclaimed; that's Patricia Cornwall the crime writer, right? The one who got so obsessed with the unsolved Jack the Ripper case she purchased an expensive painting by Sickert and destroyed it for evidence? I wonder if she is aware a great fan of hers has gone missing in equally mysterious circumstances? It would be great if she was in on this case too!

 

[Allusonz]

Call me confused.

To date LE has not named any Persons of Interest in this case.

To date LE has not named any suspects in this case.

Yet the 3 daughters, the SIL, the grandson, even as far as his wife and children have been alluded to as being responsible for Bob Harrod missing and probably murdered.

Sites unrelated to this site, but forums not even MSM, are being quoted regularily.

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[zwiebel]

I haven't got the exact quote to hand, Allusonz, but I think LE's statement excluding a stranger abduction kind of does name a suspect/ suspects in a backwards way? Bob seemed to have a very small circle of people around him at the time of his disappearance.

 

[Allusonz]

Just because they have ruled out a stranger abduction does not mean that it is family. It could be a neighbour, a repair person, et al. The list is endless.

Think of the number of friends you may have on a facebood account. It does not mean you know them well, just that they are not a stranger.

Think of children in a school. I may know the parents, or the children, maybe even by name. It does not mean they are family.

 

[zwiebel]

Well, yes. But Bob wasn't on facebook; didn't have kids at school. And......the repair man was his SIL. And I'm not sure, but wasn't the first person to name a POI in this case actually one of Bob's daughters?

 

[Allusonz]

Well, yes. But Bob wasn't on facebook; didn't have kids at school. And......the repair man was his SIL. And I'm not sure, but wasn't the first person to name a POI in this case actually one of Bob's daughters?

He did go grocery shopping correct? That means he probably knows of people in the store. Are they family?

He did have doctors appointments. That means people in waiting rooms, receptionists, nurses etc. Are they family?

He was active in the masons up to a certain point. Does that mean they are family?

He probably had to have repairs (furnace, a/c) done over the years. Does this mean that they are family?

I know the number of people I had involved in my life as my mother was ill over a number of years. Did I know of them? Yes. Did I have alot of interactions with them? You bet I did. Does that mean they are family? No they were not.

We are talking therapists, social workers, support personal from a wide variety of places.

These are people we know of in our daily life, such as a bank teller. They are not strangers. They are as well not family.

 

[Allusonz]

It is ok zwiebel. I will alert on my own post for clarification

 

[zwiebel]

Really sorry Allusonz, but I don't know if you mean you don't want me to reply or I should have alerted on posts? Sorry if I should have done but I am not sure what that means and I don't know how to do it.

 

[zwiebel]

Help someone - I don't know if I'm supposed to shut up and wait now or do something else. Mr Zweibel won't help me either, he's just laughing.