CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #10

[believe09]

:seeya:

We have a lot of guests-come on in and express your thoughts on this heartbreaking disappearance. :grouphug:

 

[zwiebel]

Hmmm. I guess the obvious answer is it benefits the person who could most be harmed by transparency.

I think it is fair to assume family had keys then, zwiebel, using your logic.

Maybe AH did take his set, if he had a set, and entered Bob's house to look for him. I only mention him because he is close in proximity to Bob's house....it seems logical that he would be first on call if no one could get Bob on the phone. It would be so easy for him, or for his wife, to have checked.

Yes, and that same logic would take me to...the nearest family members would have keys. Unless Bob had fallen out/fought with them.
And almost certainly JeM, the handyman. So much running in and out with chores, fetching building materials left outside. And after all, if you are trusting someone to work within your house for long periods, why would you not trust them with your keys? A family member had keys.....trust me.

 

[believe09]

Yes, and that same logic would take me to...the nearest family members would have keys. Unless Bob had fallen out/fought with them.
And almost certainly JeM, the handyman. So much running in and out with chores, fetching building materials left outside. And after all, if you are trusting someone to work within your house for long periods, why would you not trust them with your keys? A family member had keys.....trust me.

To the ends of the earth.

 

[zwiebel]

:seeya:

We have a lot of guests-come on in and express your thoughts on this heartbreaking disappearance. :grouphug:

Mr Zwiebel that's you believe09 is talking to. I invited you and told you it is not scarey here, and we could really use your skills.....

 

[Angelo]

:seeya:

We have a lot of guests-come on in and express your thoughts on this heartbreaking disappearance. :grouphug:

Great! :great: The more attention Mr. Harrod's case gets, the better.

 

[Angelo]

Mr Zwiebel that's you believe09 is talking to. I invited you and told you it is not scarey here, and we could really use your skills.....

Yes, we would love to hear his thoughts.

 

[zwiebel]

He's kinda shy, kinda careful, and stuck in a grand european city that's turned out to be not so grand now. So a bit sad at the moment. He also has a great way with maps, timelines, anything techical and never losing his cool. Entice him in someone!

 

[zwiebel]

Anyway, abandoning Mr Zwiebel, keys and kidney transplants - I am going back to neighour PE, whose presence seemed to create all that fuss. Exactly what is it that he knows or has said that provokes such reaction?

I hope he has found a job now, and can return to California if he wants. I think he deserves it.

 

[Angelo]

07-24-2010, 06:03 PM
CA Exile
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I just talked to Fontelle on the phone. She is holding up considering the circumstances. She is still living in Bob's house as is her right. She and Bob's daughters are still at war. They want her out and she wants her rights as a widow. Also, there is a lot of suspicion about the case. No proof, but the daughters have apparently been uncooperative. There could be several reasons for this. They may just be tired and want to get on with their lives. Or, something worse. Some took lie detector tests, some did not. They are trying to settle his estate and trusts. Hopefully, all of this can go to court and decisions can be made. Until then, no one will be at peace.

I would love to know who refused a lie detector test. Also would love to know the results of those that took them.


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[zwiebel]

I would love to know who refused a lie detector test. Also would love to know the results of those that took them.


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Ummmm, well, if I hadn't taken one, I would have wanted him to shut up right then.

 

[Angelo]

Ummmm, well, if I hadn't taken one, I would have wanted him to shut up right then.

IIRC it was the next day that Paul received the private message from one of Mr. Harrod's daughters.

 

[Cubby]

As I suspected this is her version. To my knowledge his version has never been disclosed by LE, so once again we are suppose to go on the documents of one side.

I want to see the reports from BOTH sides.

I suspect there is very little you'll hear or see from persons who refuse to cooperate with LE. It's been 3 plus years. If the last person to see Bob alive had no involvement, why would he still not clear up information that has him front and center? If he had no involvement, he would not leave such basic info unresolved. Unless, of course, he's sadistic and enjoys the torture he's putting his family through.

The pending Disappeared show airing seems to have some feathers ruffled. I'm really looking forward to the episode.

I'm still wondering if Home Depot now offers lunch.

 

[zwiebel]

IIRC it was the next day that Paul received the private message from one of Mr. Harrod's daughters.

I am sure there are many famous quotes about coincidences, but as I don't know them, I'll just say that sure is a coincidence...

 

[zwiebel]

I suspect there is very little you'll hear or see from persons who refuse to cooperate with LE. It's been 3 plus years. If the last person to see Bob alive had no involvement, why would he still not clear up information that has him front and center? If he had no involvement, he would not leave such basic info unresolved. Unless, of course, he's sadistic and enjoys the torture he's putting his family through.

The pending Disappeared show airing seems to have some feathers ruffled. I'm really looking forward to the episode.

I'm still wondering if Home Depot now offers lunch.

Disappeared and mentioning the nice neighbour, PE. But why? I don't get it. What am I missing? I wish CA Exile would come back and enlighten me!

 

[zwiebel]

This could count as lunch at Home Depot, couldn't it?

http://www.yelp.co.uk/biz/home-depot-food-stand-milpitas

 

[Cubby]

Kind of sounds like the roach coach, lol. Those where the days.....

Funny there is no receipt or survelliance video, or witnesses that came forward to say yes, we served the SIL lunch.

There is no known info on where the used materials were discarded the day of Mr. Harrod's disappearance.

Funny that info would not be resolved by persons non involved.

Oh and for what Radomski allegedly said about no one being cleared, I suspect that's a standard answer he gives when he doesn't wish to show his hand to any potential persons of interest, if he really made the statement.

 

[shana]

Wow, lots of posts today...can't get thru them all this night even to read, let alone comment on most.

One thing to keep in-mind: LE has been very close to the vest with its public release of info about this case ever since its inception in 2009, over 3 years ago now. I do not find it surprising in the least that as a consequence, there are relatively no new MSM stories...nor witnesses coming forward publicly. Why/where would these witnesses speak of serving lunch, and to what audience? I'd expect such persons to have been questioned by LE as the investigation progressed and particularly at its outset, if any such info was needed, existed, or was at all relevant, and their interviews kept private as part of LE's building case. Also, I doubt lunch was served...JeM may have grabbed a snack if even that.

As well, do we know just what the so-called "Small Projects" consisted of, exactly? Don't think so. If not, we also do not know if any waste material was generated from them. A bit of painting here, a stuck lock fixed there...to me, these are "Small Projects", not replacing a toilet fixture. (Yes, I realize the "Disappeared" clip indicated work on a toilet...maybe it ran, perhaps it needed a new set of innards - no big deal, and the discarded parts could be put in a pocket to dispose of even IF true.)

I agree with Cubby's post just above about Radomski's answers, to this extent in particular: He would not be alerting MSM most of all, to tip his hand as suggested.

~jmo~

 

[GrainneDhu]

BBM. You're not alone with that thought. IMO, there has been quite an effort all along to drive those away who seek answers into Mr. Harrod's disappearance. PE is not the only person who has been pushed away from seeking answers or been threatened for seeking answers.

As I recall, there is a bulletin board website that one daughter posts to frequently. She has apparently been given access to IP addresses (presumably by the administrator of the site).

If for some reason you do not wish to involuntarily share this information with this woman, I suggest doing some research into an anonymizer. Personally, I use TOR.

Let the admin of that site wonder why someone in Croatia is looking at it! <cackling with laughter>

 

[GrainneDhu]

I am just having so much trouble working out how JeM organizes his thinking.

In between shopping trips, he notices a car being driven suspiciously near the home, very similar/identical to the vehicle owned by a person the whole family regards as deeply suspect.
On returning from his last shopping trip and finding the CL locked out and Bob missing, JeM ignores that issue, expresses no concern to the CL, gets a real focus on his work that seems to have been absent before, then goes home..........?

Picture for a minute someone like, say, GrainneDhu in the same situation. House search, street search, neighbour enquiries, discussion with the cleaner about suspect car - all that would have gone on just while they waited for LE to arrive!*

I know there's a middle ground here - the CL was deeply concerned yet didn't call LE, but JeM was family and he was the one who'd seen the suspicious car. And just what was it that made the CL so afraid when she entered the house with JeM? Bearing in mind Bob's age, wouldn't you have thought her first thoughts would have been that Bob had fallen and hurt himself? The transcript of the Disappeared clip really gives the impression she was gripped by an overwhelming (and unreasonable?) fear the moment she stepped through the door with JeM.

LOL you know me so well!

And I would have been chasing the police around with a dozen statements from my father's doctors and colleagues along with the test scores from his continuing education classes at the first hint the police thought it was a case of a senile man wandering away.

"He would outscore YOU on any test you have to take, if my father is senile then SO ARE YOU!!!"

Um... is there such a thing as criminal sarcasm? If so, I'd be heavily implicated.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I do not like the idea of taking money from an elderly person in exchange for friendship. So, I don't approve of the BL. PE's opinion about her makes me like her even less. But, I respect the fact Bob was in possession of all his faculties and was free to give his money to whoever he pleased. I do not respect the BL for taking it. Actually, it makes me a little sick.

SBM

I respectfully disagree, partially based on my own family history.

My parents had a cleaning lady who worked for them for over 30 years. She started shortly after the last sibling left the nest, which led to us teasing our mother that she had to hire help now that her slaves were gone (she laughed--she's English or rather, was, since she died last year).

As my parents got older, she also worked for my sister and acted as, well, a spy to make sure all was well with them. Because I can't remember a single time asking my mother or father how they were and getting any answer than "oh, fine, how are you?" We were all lucky in that both of my parents retained their faculties and were able to live independently with a little help from a weekly cleaning lady.

She also brought something baked each week. Pie, cake, a batch of cookies, enough so that they had several days' worth of homecooked desserts each week.

Anyway, she retired due to arthritis, she was only about 15 years younger than they were. It was a sad occasion.

My parents gave her a gift of $1000 per year she'd worked for them (and paid all the taxes on it, including gift tax, so that the actual amount she ended up with was equal to $1K per year). Sure, it was a big gift but they loved her and she loved them.

It didn't bother us kids that they gave her that gift. We all thought it was terrific and we were so grateful for all she'd done over the years.

I never thought she was wrong for accepting the gift. I think she understood that my parents wanted to be sure she could get something special or do something special for herself without dipping into her retirement savings for it.

This will sound awful but sometimes I wish she were no longer married because I'd be thrilled to pieces if my father would re-marry and she would be a great candidate. He's not suited to living alone and I am not able to travel to visit very often.

To quote many an involuntary single from my youth "why are all the good ones already taken?" Time saw all of them happily fixed up so I keep hoping the same will happen with my father.

I wish I lived closer so I could do some matchmaking on the spot. I can easily imagine myself trolling places where the over 80 set hangs out, looking for just the right woman, one with a generous spirit and a ready laugh. Long hair wouldn't hurt, either.

Is it normal to have fantasies about hooking your widowed father up?