CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #10

[believe09]

A few of the things that struck me immediately about the reports:
AH had keys at least, because he let the police in the front door.
JuM knew the location of the safe keys, so if she was trusted with that info I am sure she also had house keys.
JeM did enough repairs to keep his tools at the house, but part of F's settlement included the daughters agreeing to carry out all the repairs the parties agreed were needed? And might this mean somewhere there is a document detailing what work needed to be done? That could be interesting.
LE checked the garden and saw no sign of disturbance (good. That was playing on my mind).
LE (IMO) were fed exactly the right information to cause them to list Bob as voluntary missing. That caused a vital delay when evidence could have been gathered. FH was used, brazenly and shamelessly, to do this so the real person/people behind it could remain hidden.

That was a terrible thing to do to her. I hope she lives to 120 and maintains her right to live in her husband's house until the day she dies.*

Last bumpity...

 

[zwiebel]

believe09, are you being naughty? I would like one of my incessant, wink wink stars to appear after this, but because I want it to, it probably won't now....
Thanks for the bumps anyhow, helps me keep track!

 

[believe09]

Sadly for those who love me, I am rarely naughty. I aspire to it occasionally, but I think I lack the social grace to carry it off.

 

[zwiebel]

I'll lend you Mr Zweibel for five minutes. He'll teach you everything you need to know about naughtiness, and then some.....

 

[zwiebel]

Le quotes FH as saying; 'Robert has given the BL approximately £50,000 over the past few years to help her pay bills. She said he takes walks around the neighbourhood every morning around the time he was last seen.'

The first think that strikes me - he was still walking his little dog that died, wasn't he? I rescued my boy and a beautiful girl dog when they were very young, but our girl had been so badly starved she only lived for three years; me and the boy used to take her favourite walks for a long time after, he wouldn't go any other way and it was some comfort, in a way......

1: So Bob had given the BL a large amount of cash. That might have been really infuriating for some people, though FH seems to have taken it in her stride. Like me, she was probably confident that once she'd married her man, she'd be getting all the nonsense out of the way and getting her man in order in no time at all....ah well, we live in hope, don't we?

2:Bob took the same walks, at the same time each morning, around the time he was last seen. So the BL, who I think could be said to be one of his close circle - definitely not a stranger - would have known he would not have been at home at that time. Instead, he should have been on the street, in daylight, on full public view.....not the ideal situation for an abduction.

For a non-stranger abduction to be successful on that day, around that time, IMO, the person concerned must have known, in advance, that Bob would be at home.

 

[zwiebel]

Oh, and am I imagining it, or did I see somewhere that one of the daughters said Bob always liked to be at home when repairs were being carried out?

 

[Cubby]

I don't believe Bob took his morning walk the day of his disappearance.
LE interviewed neighbors and none saw him the day of his disappearance.

IMO Bob was 'disappeared' prior to the time of his usual morning walk.

 

[Allusonz]

At the end of the day, the heated family meeting is a catalyst I cant ignore. Because less than 24 hours later, Bob was gone. He didnt leave under his own steam. He isnt out living it up. Even his immediate family has made it abundantly clear that he was not coming back, and they signaled that very early on.

The meeting was about money. Family money. Not about who external to the family had been receiving it, apparently. It was about trust money. RB and PB found out that they were successor trustees, not JuM. People got to find out what was written in that trust doc and they had a chance to react to it. And apparently there were people who were angry.

Less than 24 hours later Bob was gone. He wasnt cooling off somewhere.

The background and the actions following this disappearance will help determine where he is if you think that someone close to him took him.

This very well may be your theory but does not represent my theory.

I do have a working theory which is different.

 

[zwiebel]

What is it Allusonz.......? Share, please. It's no good keeping it to yourself - that won't help find Bob.

 

[zwiebel]

'We need a day to go through the house and select items we cannot list as this list is compiled from memory only'.

That's a very good memory there. Excuse me for not posting the full list; I need cloudajo! But it's an amazing list, utterly amazing as compiled from memory only.

So if you don't mind, if you could tear that amazing memory away from the teacups and Betty Boop for just a minute;

Could you run through your father's wardrobe the day he disappeared, was probably murdered, and tell me what he was wearing?

Could you remember the precise time a close member of your family actually saw him alive?

Could you remember the exact repairs that were carried out on your father's house that day, and where any waste was disposed of?
*
Thank you, very much obliged, as we say in England!

 

[Angelo]

I do understand this Allusonz, because legal action is a very serious issue. Sometimes though, I think if a person was to take every single legal implication into account before they said a word they would simply never speak.

Also, I am not entirely sure why a person completely content to sit back and wait for LE to do its work would join a forum called websleuths?

Also, don't LE just work on theories, until they find the facts?

BBM~~~


I was just about to post the same thing.

 

[Cubby]

For zwiebel and those newer to Mr. Harrod's case.

The following is a video of Bob's youngest daughter JuM the day following her fathers disappearance.

http://www.ktla.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=ac85bbd7-919c-45df-8bff-de9407f59354&src=front

 

[SuziQ]

Sorry SuziQ, your post was quoted along with Allusonz's! No idea how I did that!

No problem. I've done that myself a time or two.

 

[cloudajo]

At the end of the day, the heated family meeting is a catalyst I cant ignore. Because less than 24 hours later, Bob was gone. He didnt leave under his own steam. He isnt out living it up. Even his immediate family has made it abundantly clear that he was not coming back, and they signaled that very early on.

The meeting was about money. Family money. Not about who external to the family had been receiving it, apparently. It was about trust money. RB and PB found out that they were successor trustees, not JuM. People got to find out what was written in that trust doc and they had a chance to react to it. And apparently there were people who were angry.

Less than 24 hours later Bob was gone. He wasnt cooling off somewhere.

The background and the actions following this disappearance will help determine where he is if you think that someone close to him took him.

Thank you. This is very important in my opinion.

RB and PB found out that they were successor trustees, not JuM. People got to find out what was written in that trust doc and they had a chance to react to it. And apparently there were people who were angry.

 

[zwiebel]

Thank you. This is very important in my opinion.

RB and PB found out that they were successor trustees, not JuM. People got to find out what was written in that trust doc and they had a chance to react to it. And apparently there were people who were angry.

In the police report AH is reported as saying there had been fighting in the family recently. It seems fair to assume that people who had been fighting were likely to have been angry.

 

[zwiebel]

For zwiebel and those newer to Mr. Harrod's case.

The following is a video of Bob's youngest daughter JuM the day following her fathers disappearance.

http://www.ktla.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=ac85bbd7-919c-45df-8bff-de9407f59354&src=front

Thanks for the link - I noticed this before but got nothing and thought it had expired. Must just be my computer, which is good news because now I know I can borrow another one. I really want to see this.

 

[zwiebel]

For zwiebel and those newer to Mr. Harrod's case.

The following is a video of Bob's youngest daughter JuM the day following her fathers disappearance.

http://www.ktla.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=ac85bbd7-919c-45df-8bff-de9407f59354&src=front

Sorry, double post.

 

[believe09]

We all have theories and they are based upon abundant research-no one has cornered the market on theories or the goods to back it up. Some of our working theories, which we have the conviction to post, are well substantiated imo.

 

[believe09]

Zwiebel and some of our other friends...it is nice to have fresh eyes on the memorabilia list which was accumulated from memory, apparently. I think there is a lot to be gleaned from it-once more, I think it is a clear indicator that Bob wasnt coming back in the minds of those who put it together. It is a run on his possessions even though he hasnt been declared dead. We know, from their own words, that they picked up their mother's possessions prior to Fontelle's return and we know they had about 48 hours in the house with no one but themselves to police one another after Bob's disappearance. It appears that there was some note taking at that time, imo.

 

[zwiebel]

I have been trying to think of other theories that include, as Allusonz seemed to be suggesting, a wider circle of people who were not strangers but Bob did not know well. I'm having problems *though, because:

Though I can't pretend to know every person acquainted with Bob of course, everything I've heard suggests his social circle was very small and he had little contact even with people like doctors or dentists (dental records seemed to be unavailable on the report?)

If this was someone from a wider social circle who Bob knew slightly, but not well, what was the motive? Bob's wallet has not been found and I have heard of people being hurt or even killed for tiny amounts of cash - but an abduction as well just doesn't seem to fit with that type of crime. That person would also have to have been very lucky with their timing (choosing a period when JeM was out) unless they called in advance. All for the cash in a wallet? As Bob's daughters had access to the house directly after and have proved they had good knowledge of the valuables he owned, I am presuming they would have noticed and reported anything else missing.

I have also heard of people being abducted and held in order for money to be extracted from their bank accounts, but LE stated there had been no activity on his accounts.

I suppose that does leave the possibility of a motiveless crime - simply a psychopathic person who knew Bob and where he lived? Again though, the abduction doesn't seem to fit. I feel it would more likely have resulted in an attack, with Bob's body left in the house.

There is another theory I suppose, that would have vengeance as a motive? I am not going to attempt to explore that though, because I cannot see anything out there at all that suggests any non-related person might have held any grudge against Bob.

I know some of you have been on this forum a long time and may know of a lot more crime/criminal types that might fit Bob's case......I'm just trying to work out what Allusonz's theory might be. I do feel that if the search to find Bob has to widen out to encompass everyone he had even the briefest acquaintance with, the discussion here will just grind to a halt...there's not a single fact, even one of those fluid ones that seem to haunt this case, to support it. There'll be nothing to talk about.