CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #12

[Cubby]

BBM~~~~~~

Agree!!!!!! I was just reading some of the daughter's postings written shortly after their father disappeared.

Agree!!!!!! I was just reading some of the daughter's postings written shortly after their father disappeared.

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Daughter RB 8/8/2009

It seems the media is trying to draw him out by using the angle of Sympathy for Fontelle and also reminding him of his God, HIS money. Whatever it takes! But he DOES have a family which he brushed aside after Mom's passing in March 2008.


Daughter PB 8/12/2009

Under the circumstances I don't know if he would ever call knowing what is going on. I would think that the one address that he might remember would be mine, because he owns the house.


Daughter RB 8/13/2009:

Good, Bad, or indifferent, we are a family and he is OUR father! He abandoned us too and this is not like him!

Dad may be waiting just to see if his family even cares. PPD suggested that media has had so much saturation of the other story that it may be difficult to get them to show up for his family, unless we had breaking news.

Daughter RB 8/14/2009:

Oh Dad, where are you? What have you done? What danger have you placed yourself in? Who has you? Are you happy? Are you peaceful? Why don't you want to come home? So many tearfilled questions. I've been trying to be strong, but the tears finally came today and I realized that, good, bad, or indifferent, he is OUR father and we would never have wanted him to disappear. Did he need somebody to talk to?

Daughter RB 8/14/2009:

We don't mean to be non supportive but we really do not know why he left the house two days before she returned.

They got married 6/29, she returned to MO 7/7, and came back to CA 7/29. They had only 8 days of marital bliss together.

They spent eight days of "marital bliss" and then poof, he takes off with no explanation.

BCBM. I'd have to correct this statement. He was looking forward to his brides return and less than 24 hours after a heated family meeting he went poof and disappeared with no explanation, when the last person to see him alive, RB's brother in law, and her sister have given contradictory information publicly.

Additionally, this occured not long after her poison pen letter to her father. Where is that again.

BRB with the link.

ETA: Link to the letter from daughter RB to Bob's attorney days after his marriage.

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[Cubby]

'He abandoned us too.'

I wonder if RB has ever regretted saying that?

Sadly, it looks like her first thoughts after Bob disappeared was how it made her feel, not what might have happened to him. So her thoughts on him came out as an accusation. Not helpful, in the circumstances.

Actually, imo, Bob's daughters statements immediately following his disappearance demonstrate their me me me selfishness. Nothing indicates they were thinking of their father, their statements indicate they were thinking only of themselves.

 

[zwiebel]

Actually, imo, Bob's daughters statements immediately following his disappearance demonstrate their me me me selfishness. Nothing indicates they were thinking of their father, their statements indicate they were thinking only of themselves.

I'm not disagreeing with you there, they've very effectively condemned themselves in their own words and......amazingly.......don't even seem to be aware they've done it.

By the way, in that attorney letter, RB stated, 'I have no interest in your client's personal finances' (talking about Bob). That really doesn't sound to me as though she's the right person to be a conservator of that very estate now, what with her 'no interest', and all. That could be a reason why AH managed to walk away without paying his dues to it.

 

[zwiebel]

I'm not sure about PB's suitability either. She said:

'the one address he might remember would be mine, because he owns the house'.

As conservator of the estate, I hope someone has broken the surprising news to her that Bob owned a few other houses, besides the one she lived in.

I don't think Bob had any problems remembering his own home either. He didn't come back because he couldn't, imo.

 

[littlegreycells31]

Actually, imo, Bob's daughters statements immediately following his disappearance demonstrate their me me me selfishness. Nothing indicates they were thinking of their father, their statements indicate they were thinking only of themselves.

I agree with you. At one point, she just referred to him as Mr. Harrod instead of "our father" or "my father." I don't know for sure, but it just seems like there was not a lot of love lost between them because of the money issues. It reminds me of a family I knew where the older father remarried and left ALL of his inheritance to his new wife after he died. The kids got nothing at all (which I agree is unfair). But that just tore the family apart. It is funny how money can turn a family into bitter enemies. :what: It reminds me of what the bible says about how it's not money, but the LOVE of money that's the root all sorts of bad things. When people get dollar signs in their eyes they can act all kinds of crazy that they normally wouldn't. :twocents::moo:

 

[Angelo]

BCBM. I'd have to correct this statement. He was looking forward to his brides return and less than 24 hours after a heated family meeting he went poof and disappeared with no explanation, when the last person to see him alive, RB's brother in law, and her sister have given contradictory information publicly.

Additionally, this occured not long after her poison pen letter to her father. Where is that again.

BRB with the link.

ETA: Link to the letter from daughter RB to Bob's attorney days after his marriage.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #9

Exactly!


There is a "heated family meeting about money" and then poof, Mr. Harrod disappears.

 

[believe09]

The thing is, they never gave Bob a chance to show that their fear was groundless, if it was. Which makes me believe more and more that the heated meeting included some specifics regarding what was going to happen with Bob's finances.

 

[cloudajo]

It is still bugging me that our timelines say JeM left after the cleaner, at about 6pm. Does anyone know where this info came from?

Because the cleaner on Disappeared says she left about three (three hours work from noon) after JeM.

So if our 6pm leaving time is correct, JeM must have returned to the house after the cleaner left, and after his visit to home depot. Now I'd really like to know what he bought there.

You’ll note that in the Disappeared clip from this year, the housekeeper does not state any times. She only says in the clip that she was there for about 3 hours. It is the narrator who says she arrived around Noon. I’m not sure what source they used for the timeline (there are a number of possibilities).

The LA Times article from Feb 2010 appears to have obtained their timeline info from a police source, who may have received the info from JeM’s statement. It says JeM arrived about 9:30AM, left for Home Depot about 2:40PM, arrived back about 3:30PM, and left about 6PM.

And then there is the email Dreamweaver received from the PPD in Sep 2009 that said, “The Home Depot receipt is 3:04. He went earlier to CVS pharmacy.”

We just don’t have solid timeline…


Feb 2, 2010 - LA Times (Media)

About 9:30 a.m., Bob's son-in-law Jeff Michaels arrived to help get the house ready.Michaels told police that he worked at the home, then went to Home Depot about 2:40 p.m. to buy supplies. When he returned about 3:30 p.m., Bob's housekeeper was sitting on the front stoop because no one had answered the door. Michaels let himself in the back door and the housekeeper followed and cleaned.

Bob was not there.

Michaels told the housekeeper his father-in-law might have gone to visit a neighbor, police say. Michaels left about 6 p.m.

Disappeared Season 5 - Sign of Trouble (Bob Harrod)
Clip (3:23) – Posted 4/26/12

(transcribed below)

Narrator: But Jeff was not the only person at Bob’s house that day. Agnes, Bob’s housekeeper of more than 10 years, arrived around Noon. Normally, she cleans Bob’s house on Tuesday, but this week she’d arranged to come on Monday.

[snipped]

Agnes: I was there all together about 3 hours. I can honestly tell you that during the whole time I was there, I was very concerned. I kept thinking, where is he at?

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/02/local/la-me-disappeared3-2010feb03/2

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4140188&postcount=27

 

[zwiebel]

This timeline is most definitely, certainly, out of joint. O woe is me.

 

[zwiebel]

Assuming there hasn't been a lot of journalistic mistakes with the timeline ( and I doubt that, simply because I think certain people or persons would have been straight on the phone, demanding corrections if that had been the case), then it really does appear breathtakingly stupid.

Who in their right mind would give a time of 3pm, knowing there was someone out there who might argue that time was actually Noon? I really find this hard to figure out. I am terrible with times and dates myself so I understand some confusion - but my answers to questions about them would always be, 'I've no idea, I'll have to try and check.' I wouldn't say the first time that came into my head, regardless of its accuracy.

Does anyone have a theory about what actually went on with this timeline? Was it just one person giving different times, or a few people, all providing their own version of the timeline? What on earth does PPD make of it all?

 

[Cubby]

Assuming there hasn't been a lot of journalistic mistakes with the timeline ( and I doubt that, simply because I think certain people or persons would have been straight on the phone, demanding corrections if that had been the case), then it really does appear breathtakingly stupid.

Who in their right mind would give a time of 3pm, knowing there was someone out there who might argue that time was actually Noon? I really find this hard to figure out. I am terrible with times and dates myself so I understand some confusion - but my answers to questions about them would always be, 'I've no idea, I'll have to try and check.' I wouldn't say the first time that came into my head, regardless of its accuracy.

Does anyone have a theory about what actually went on with this timeline? Was it just one person giving different times, or a few people, all providing their own version of the timeline? What on earth does PPD make of it all?

IMO, there was more than one trip out. I suspect the 3:04 reciept from HD was not the first trip out, but a subsequent trip because he knows when the housekeeper saw him there he was going to need a reciept.

It's possible there are neighbor witnesses that provided information to LE which contradicts the times JeM claims to have been at Bob's. Just because no one saw Bob, doesn't mean those neighbors were unable to provide LE with other information.

 

[believe09]

I agree with Cubby. I think it is clear there was more than one trip out. One appears to have been verified-a Home Depot receipt stamped 3:04PM.

There has to be more than one trip out because PB went to all the trouble of making it clear she spoke with someone in the house between 11 and 12...probably around 11:30AM. According to her, JeM was on his way out of the door. He is just returning when CL shows up after noon. At a minimum, he was in the house around 930AM and returning around noon.

Unfortunately for JeM, it was his wife who puts him in the house with Bob when he disappeared. There is no way to get around that fact. As we have hashed out, it seems completely unreasonable that there was no discussion between the two regarding the timeline of events. 24 or 28 hours later, JuM puts her husband in the house when Bob disappeared.

I think about this all of the time-It reminds me of AH's statement to the police officer that points the finger back at the family...you know, when he tells the officer that there was fighting in the family.

The wheels on the bus go 'round and 'round.

 

[Oriah]

You guys are awesome.

Going back to the timeline issue that we've all been talking about. If we erase the receipts, the reports by family members, the CL, FH, witnesses etc... we have a 8+ hr time line- and that's just the day Mr. Harrod disappeared- not the night before or the day of, or the day after (which adds 4+ hrs on each end.)

That's kind of alarming to me. I am now a bit obsessed with how far he could have been carried during that buffer period. Ok, retreating back to the SAR forum!

 

[zwiebel]

I try to imagine what relations are like now between Bob's three daughters, son-in-law and grandson. Do they ever discuss the timeline? JeM ask JuM why she put JeM in the house when Bob disappeared? AH's statement of family fighting, PB's contradiction of that? RB's letter that makes it clear Bob had problems with JeM and PB? And the rest.

I can't imagine any family relationships escaping undamaged from those sorts of questions. But if they haven't asked, what thoughts must be running, unchecked and unanswered, through their heads? I guess something must be holding them all together. I just wonder what it is, and how long it will last.

 

[zwiebel]

You guys are awesome.

Going back to the timeline issue that we've all been talking about. If we erase the receipts, the reports by family members, the CL, FH, witnesses etc... we have a 8+ hr time line- and that's just the day Mr. Harrod disappeared- not the night before or the day of, or the day after (which adds 4+ hrs on each end.)

That's kind of alarming to me. I am now a bit obsessed with how far he could have been carried during that buffer period. Ok, retreating back to the SAR forum!

I'm alarmed now too, mainly because this has confused me a bit. Aren't we going with a sort of presumption Bob had vanished by the time the CL and JeM were in the house together, whatever time that was? Or are you thinking Bob might still have been in the immediate vicinity somewhere, unseen?

 

[Opie]

Still reading here every day, though seldom posting.
Just re-reading that poison pen letter from RB to her father's attorney is enough to turn one's stomach. How cold! How money-grubbing it sounds! It sounds like it's all about ME, ME, ME and the MONEY!

 

[zwiebel]

It makes me shiver thinking how Bob must have felt when he read that, Opie.

 

[Oriah]

I'm alarmed now too, mainly because this has confused me a bit. Aren't we going with a sort of presumption Bob had vanished by the time the CL and JeM were in the house together, whatever time that was? Or are you thinking Bob might still have been in the immediate vicinity somewhere, unseen?

I was going with that time frame, but then I looked back at it- and if you erase the windows of time set up for statements from all of the persons who 'last saw' Mr. Harrod, they not only don't match up, they leave this huge amount of time to account for. And then when we start talking about the distance Mr. Harrod may have traveled or been transported (assisted, unassisted, alive, deceased) starting from one time to another and so on and so on...
It is truly perplexing.

I don't think we have the timeline right. :waitasec:

 

[zwiebel]

You, me and everyone else on this thread, Oriah.

But you have some knowledge, don't you, of what is likely to have happened? Or rather, how things usually pan out with cases similar to this, regarding how far someone is likely to have taken Bob, or even the kind of location? I mean, even with all the time in the world, abductors seem to only take their victims so far.

I know there are exceptions to this of course- cross country truck drivers, or others who drive long distances. People with boats and planes. But PPD don't seem to have given any indication this might be the case with Bob. They seem to have indicated the opposite, imo, someone close to home. Would someone close to home be likely to stay close to home?

 

[believe09]

I think it is a good idea to question that early morning call that places Bob in the house. why not open it up? If we throw out all of the receipts, then we have a heated family meeting when people report that they last saw him alive. That is the last place everyone seems to agree on. They last saw Bob alive at the family meeting.

I will say this-I am prejudiced towards the timeline created by JuM that starts 28 hours after her post.

Because that puts her husband in the house and therefore he must have seen or heard something.

I am on Team Oriah though-what if we throw it all out?