CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #12

[believe09]

Thanks Grainne. How do these people live with themselves? They know darn well he's not coming back. Everything they do screams that they know he's not coming back. His house being cleaned out of his property, his beloved wife being force to pay rent to live in his house. They can run his affairs for him while he's gone with the assumption he's coming back but in no world would he have charged his own wife rent. Can spouses even do that ???

No Seajay, they cant. IIRC, the premise had to do with whether or not she is in her house everyday, all day, without ceasing. OK that might be an exaggeration, but you get the idea.

My Uncle went on a cruise around the world for 6 months-does this mean my cousins could sell the house, compel rent or any other nonsense?

Every "snowbird" in the US would lose control of their homes, every Peace Corp volunteer, every active duty service member.

NONSENSE. The premise is surely going to backfire, especially in the court of public opinion. And I am talking about their peers and neighbors...the combination of this trial and the Disappeared show will certainly have people looking in askance.

 

[Angelo]

She was on camera when she stated the time frame and she was typing away on her computer when she logged the other one.

I wonder if she was still at Bob's house when she was posting.

I believe she was posting from her father's house. From what JuM wrote on ROTW I don't believe she returned home UTH for a few days.

July 31, 2009

(ROTW)
From: Jules
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:33 AM

Thank you all for your prayers and positive thoughts.

Unfortunately my father is still missing. The team of detectives are baffled about his disappearance. I am so very tired, just got home I have only had 3 hours of sleep over these past days.

I needed to come home for a day or two just to rest, the forensic detective suspects foul play.

I will try to update you tomorrow, I am fading fast. Good night, thank you again.

 

[zwiebel]

I have the same question, and I would love to hear JuM's explanation on why she gave two different times her father was last seen on the same day.

:waiting:

Approximately 28 hours. So that means Bob approximately disappeared before he answered his 10am phone call. No, can't do. JuM obviously meant it to mean approximately just after that call.

IMO JuM put her husband in a difficult position there. It implies JeM told her the almost exact time Bob disappeared (around 10), and of course JeM would have to account to LE for his whereabouts then. No problem though, he could have popped out at anytime and accounting for a few minutes wouldn't be too difficult.

He could have run out to get rid of some garbage or go to the pharmacy. Or he could have been upstairs working and Bob wandered off without telling him. And maybe JeM had seen that suspicious car earlier, and maybe he was thinking that it could be a good reason why Bob had managed to disappear in such a short space of time.

I wonder if LE had been told about the CL lady then? I wonder if they had talked to JeM?

On second thoughts, the timeline sounds a bit tight there, it's a little unlikely and, ah, that cleaning lady.

According to Disappeared, she saw JeM come back at twelve. So that's two hours away to account for, if JeM left when Bob disappeared around ten. What could he have been doing? But maybe he wasn't gone all that time, maybe he went out twice. But LE would need to know where he was both times. Maybe want receipts, store names?

Scrap that and start again. Maybe JeM went out much later - yes, that sounds better - and maybe Bob disappeared around, maybe 1, noon?

No! Scrap that. That time's backwards and puts JeM and the CL in the house at the same time as Bob disappears. That one's just silly.

Maybe Bob was in the house until nearly noon....yes, that would make sense because PB called, then JeM popped out for 15 minutes......

No scrap that. That's another really tight timeline. Maybe scrap the timelines altogether, let JeM grab himself a 3pm receipt from Home Depot and a lawyer. And see what happens.

I've noticed, now it's listed like that, it doesn't look like the timeline I intended it to be. It looks like I'm just trying out plausible stories.

 

[zwiebel]

I believe she was posting from her father's house. From what JuM wrote on ROTW I don't believe she returned home UTH for a few days.

I wonder if she was using her own device or AH's computer?

I'd like to know why that was at the home - I don't think Bob used one, did he? If both AH and JuM could access it, who else might have accessed it, and what for? Maybe someone did Bob's online banking for him, or mortgage applications, or something.

 

[Cubby]

Respectfully, I really don't know from whom JuM received her information. Her husband, LE?? I sure would like to hear her explain it herself though. I wonder if she will do so by way of the disappeared episode?

It would be really nice to hear from JuM directly as to why she gave varying times her father was last seen the day following his disappearance.

 

[Cubby]

I believe she was posting from her father's house. From what JuM wrote on ROTW I don't believe she returned home UTH for a few days.

July 31, 2009

(ROTW)
From: Jules
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:33 AM

Thank you all for your prayers and positive thoughts.

Unfortunately my father is still missing. The team of detectives are baffled about his disappearance. I am so very tired, just got home I have only had 3 hours of sleep over these past days.

I needed to come home for a day or two just to rest, the forensic detective suspects foul play.

I will try to update you tomorrow, I am fading fast. Good night, thank you again.

I wonder where she was staying DTH after Mrs. Harrod arrived.

 

[Cubby]

Jul 28, 2009


From: Jules
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:50 PM

Plea for Positive Thoughts and Prayers - My dad is missing

I need to request positive thoughts and prayers. My father has been missing approx. 28 hours ago. We suspect foul play, but want to remain as positive; his new wife will be arriving with her belongings tomorrow. My father's name is Robert Harrod in Placentia; his new wife Fontelle Heeter-Harrod is just besides herself, please pray for his safe return.

http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/166/53721?page=0

JuM has since removed this post.

http://www.ktla.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=ac85bbd7-919c-45df-8bff-de9407f59354&src=front

Video, also from July 28, in which JuM mentions the noon - one time her father was last seen.

 

[zwiebel]

I wonder where she was staying DTH after Mrs. Harrod arrived.

Thanks Cubby. This has just made me realize dth means down the hill, not down the house, as I've been thinking.

AH's house would have been the nearest one to stay with, I would think. I'm sure he would have had a computer too, if JuM wanted to post and hadn't brought her own device.

 

[zwiebel]

Respectfully, I really don't know from whom JuM received her information. Her husband, LE?? I sure would like to hear her explain it herself though. I wonder if she will do so by way of the disappeared episode?

It would be really nice to hear from JuM directly as to why she gave varying times her father was last seen the day following his disappearance.

I don't hold out a lot of hope, but maybe JuM, and even JeM, helped out with the Disappeared programme? That would be positive.

Talking of positive, I cannot understand why JuM felt it necessary to delete a post asking for positive thoughts and prayers for her father. If she'd made a mistake with the timeline, she could have just clarified.

That deletion looks suspicious to me. And a bit silly, given we are still able to read it three years later. A possible mistake about the timeline, a deletion of a call for prayers and then no further clarification - it just looks bad.

 

[Oriah]

I might have missed this somewhere, but is it possible someone spent the night at Mr. Harrod's after the heated family meeting?

 

[believe09]

July 31, 2009

(ROTW)
From: Jules
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:33 AM

Thank you all for your prayers and positive thoughts.

Unfortunately my father is still missing. The team of detectives are baffled about his disappearance. I am so very tired, just got home I have only had 3 hours of sleep over these past days.

I needed to come home for a day or two just to rest, the forensic detective suspects foul play.

I will try to update you tomorrow, I am fading fast. Good night, thank you again.

I am sure we can chalk this language up to exhaustion. Any dept worth their salt is probably not actually baffled after 4 days I would think. I am not sure if she meant forensic detective or homicide?

It never occurred to me that someone would stay with him after the heated family meeting, but it is an excellent question. Who would have stayed if that was the case I wonder?

 

[Oriah]

I got to thinking about someone(s) spending the night when trying to work out the time line which just...doesn't work well, imvho.

I mean, Mr. Harrod could have been alive and well and answering the phone at 9am or whatever, but that doesn't mean he didn't have company at that time- company that maybe spent the night? Huge speculation here. But maybe someone(s) who was at the family meeting didn't want to drive home in the dark or something?

 

[zwiebel]

I might have missed this somewhere, but is it possible someone spent the night at Mr. Harrod's after the heated family meeting?

I think this is an excellent question too; a completely new angle and all sorts of possibilities.

I am not certain of who exactly was present at the heated meeting, except the three daughters. I remember in RB's attorney letter she mentioned SIL and PB getting 'blamed' by Bob for all the harassment (RB didn't call it that, of course). I can't recall the date of that now, but do wonder how things stood between PB, JeM and Bob at the time he disappeared.

RB's attorney letter certainly implied there had been bad feelings, at the very least.

 

[zwiebel]

I got to thinking about someone(s) spending the night when trying to work out the time line which just...doesn't work well, imvho.

I mean, Mr. Harrod could have been alive and well and answering the phone at 9am or whatever, but that doesn't mean he didn't have company at that time- company that maybe spent the night? Huge speculation here. But maybe someone(s) who was at the family meeting didn't want to drive home in the dark or something?

Perhaps I should be thinking about who left that family meeting, and in what order, rather than who arrived?

 

[zwiebel]

What time is sundown in California in late July?

 

[Oriah]

OH NO-crossed wires. I am puzzling out Mr Harrods possible lapse in healthcare and whether or not there was one.

You are right, it doesnt really matter outside of his mobility. :blushing:

No worries, believe09.

It does matter- I get hung up on this issue all the time. It's so important to know the physical and emotional state of missing persons, but hard to do that without violating their privacy. An elderly individual with bad knees who left on foot, well, that's info that's really important to know from a SAR standpoint. So are any medications he may have been on. But PPD should have all of that info (whether it's accurate or not?)

 

[zwiebel]

Note to self: if you are determined to be the first person to put a tag in the box, remember to do it.

 

[Oriah]

Perhaps I should be thinking about who left that family meeting, and in what order, rather than who arrived?

This has been on my mind for quite some time now, and I'm not sure if I'm overthinking it (good possibility, lol) but vehicle parking at the residence and the business with the linen. Mr. Harrod's car being parked where it was, the vehicle in the garage- and all of the stuff in the garage that prevented access- and the meeting the night before which must have involved parking of other vehicles- sticks in my head.

I really think maybe we should look at who went home that night vs anyone or any vehicles- or both- who may have stayed?

 

[zwiebel]

This has been on my mind for quite some time now, and I'm not sure if I'm overthinking it (good possibility, lol) but vehicle parking at the residence and the business with the linen. Mr. Harrod's car being parked where it was, the vehicle in the garage- and all of the stuff in the garage that prevented access- and the meeting the night before which must have involved parking of other vehicles- sticks in my head.

I really think maybe we should look at who went home that night vs anyone or any vehicles- or both- who may have stayed?

So maybe Bob's car was parked off to the side not to make room for JeM arriving in the morning, but because a vehicle had been parked there during the night? This is where we really need a neighbour who knew Bob well, and where vehicles usually parked at the property.

I don't know if street parking is permitted in Bob's Street - I'll try and find out.

 

[believe09]

Time to load up those tags again-thank you for the reminder zwiebel.