CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #12

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  • #381
So Dee Dee Moore (woman who killed a man for his money and was convicted with the help of Home Depot surveillance) has just been sentenced to life plus 25 years.

And now a lot of people are trying to claw back every penny she gained for herself and anything she distributed to her friends and family. Looks like they've got 'her' house already.

Yes, I am sure people are scrambling. I dont want to derail the thread, but the senselessness of murder has me reeling after a day like today.

Someday, a murderer has to come back to earth. And if he/she hasnt taken the coward's way out like the man from CT, he/she will spend the a lot of time peering over the shoulder. At the end of the day, you just cant hide from yourself. It eats away, it unravels your body and it has to unravel your soul. Stress like this take a remarkable toll on physical well being, you know.

If you have information to share, now is the time.
 
  • #382
Wouldn't you give every penny you had to bring those children back? It's hard to think of anything else tonight.

I think Bob would understand.
 
  • #383
I have cried for hours. Those parents sent their little ones to school this morning and expected them home tonight. And they will never come home again. This breaks my heart for them. I can't even imagine. And at Christmas time, too. They had presents for those children, looked forward to Christmas morning with those children and now they are gone. I've cried so much today. It's a sad day.

Murderers are cowards, be the victim young and defenseless or elderly and defenseless. Cowards. There is a special place in hell for people who murder the innocent.
 
  • #384
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I cant think of anything else to say or do right now. :(
 
  • #385
I have no proof, but I would be money that cell phones were included in the phone records referenced in the media. JMVHO.

So we arent just talking about the calls and records on the day of the disappearance. It wouldnt surprise me if there was some tracking done of communications for a while afterwards.

And all the calls during that time frame that we can't square away?? :banghead:
 
  • #386
I don't know, because I've only ever lived in countries where a person is always within walking distance of help, but....
I lived at the bottom of a mountain in France once, where the only way to get to Spain was over the mountain. If the car had broken down I could have walked to the next village. If the weather was good. If I had the right shoes on and didn't die from either heat exhaustion (summer) or hypothermia (winter) or lack of breath from walking up and down the sides of mountains. Or fear from meeting one of those mountain shepherd dogs they have over there that are twice the size of me, wander free with big bells on their neck and presume everyone on foot is trying to steal a sheep or a goat.

That's just little European countries. In big old California I'd need a personal SAR team to accompany me anywhere.

Long winded way of saying, I think people who live in mountain/remote areas never travel without a mobile phone if they can help it. In our case, if someone living in an area like that left their phone behind the day Bob disappeared, that would be just as revealing to me as any calls they may have made if they had taken it with them.

Under US law, does this word have any implications?..........Premeditation.
 
  • #387
FWIW, I've always thought JeM convenietly 'forgot' his phone when he was- wherever he was- prior to arriving to find the CL waiting. That way his phone would ping as if he were in Bob's home, but was actually elsewhere himself and only the phone remained in Bob's home.

What could be more convenient than leaving ones phone where they wanted it to ping, rather than where they actually where?
 
  • #388
That's a good point, because we always have to bear in mind JeM didn't know the CL was coming. Who knows what story we would have heard about when Bob disappeared, if it hadn't been for the CL turning up like that, at Noon.
 
  • #389
Oh, and I just thought Cubby, wouldn't it be interesting if JeM's phone pings showed he was in Bob's home, at the same time as the CL would swear she saw him coming back from somewhere well outside the home?
 
  • #390
And all the calls during that time frame that we can't square away?? :banghead:

It's not illegal to lie to the media; it's only illegal to lie to the police. And in this country, no one has to talk to the police.

Of course, any discrepancies are going to catch LE attention but without evidence of actual criminal behaviour, it's not like anyone can be arrested for lying to a reporter.

If talking to the police and confronted by a discrepancy, I think a strategy of "I am so stressed out and getting confused" with "all I can think about is my father and I don't really remember what I said" with a good helping of "I don't know, I don't know..." would leave the police without traction. Lots of suspicions, of course, but nothing concrete enough for an arrest.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if one or more family members lawyered up very quickly.
 
  • #391
I don't know, because I've only ever lived in countries where a person is always within walking distance of help, but....
I lived at the bottom of a mountain in France once, where the only way to get to Spain was over the mountain. If the car had broken down I could have walked to the next village. If the weather was good. If I had the right shoes on and didn't die from either heat exhaustion (summer) or hypothermia (winter) or lack of breath from walking up and down the sides of mountains. Or fear from meeting one of those mountain shepherd dogs they have over there that are twice the size of me, wander free with big bells on their neck and presume everyone on foot is trying to steal a sheep or a goat.

That's just little European countries. In big old California I'd need a personal SAR team to accompany me anywhere.

Long winded way of saying, I think people who live in mountain/remote areas never travel without a mobile phone if they can help it. In our case, if someone living in an area like that left their phone behind the day Bob disappeared, that would be just as revealing to me as any calls they may have made if they had taken it with them.

Under US law, does this word have any implications?..........Premeditation.

Premeditation can be the difference between 2-5 years in prison and the death penalty (in states with capital punishment).

People living in mountainous areas learn not to rely on their cell phones because cell phone coverage can be really spotty in the mountains. You can have 5 bars in one spot, go around a corner of the mountain a couple hundred feet along and have no reception at all. People who live in mountain and/or desert areas learn to carry survival supplies, including water, in their vehicles at all times. Just the same way as us midwesterners always carry a shovel and at least a couple blankets in the car in the winter. Most people carry a lot more.
 
  • #392
BBM
Premeditation can be the difference between 2-5 years in prison and the death penalty (in states with capital punishment).

People living in mountainous areas learn not to rely on their cell phones because cell phone coverage can be really spotty in the mountains. You can have 5 bars in one spot, go around a corner of the mountain a couple hundred feet along and have no reception at all. People who live in mountain and/or desert areas learn to carry survival supplies, including water, in their vehicles at all times. Just the same way as us midwesterners always carry a shovel and at least a couple blankets in the car in the winter. Most people carry a lot more.

Big countries are terrifying. Just terrifying.
 
  • #393
So people in mountain areas might carry a shovel and blankets in their vehicle in winter too? Do people usually remove them in summer, or just keep them there all year? Would LE find it suspicious to find a blanket and shovel in someone's vehicle in summer, if that place had snowy winters, do you think?
 
  • #394
BBM


Big countries are terrifying. Just terrifying.

It's all in what you are used to, I think.

For example, I have never been truly comfortable in the mountains. After a day or two, I start to feel claustrophobic. I was born in the midwest under a big sky and I am not comfortable with my view of that sky blocked off.

Places crowded with people bring on the heebie-jeebies for me. Something about big, empty land feeds me inside.
 
  • #395
So people in mountain areas might carry a shovel and blankets in their vehicle in winter too? Do people usually remove them in summer, or just keep them there all year? Would LE find it suspicious to find a blanket and shovel in someone's vehicle in summer, if that place had snowy winters, do you think?

Well, it depends on the person. Everyone has different habits. It's probably affected in part by how much space they have in their vehicle and how they usually use their vehicle.

I know that the winter survival stuff lives in our van year round unless we clear everything out of the back, including the seats, in order to haul something. I've never really checked other people's vehicles but I find it hard to believe that my husband and I are the only lazy people around!

I think car blankets are fairly common and not only for winter use. There are those of us who live with the human equivalent of polar bears and even in the middle of summer, a car blanket for me keeps Mr Grainne happy. Of course, there are fancy-schmancy vehicles that have more individual climate control zones but we don't own one.

So I think LE searching a vehicle in any place that has cold or snowy winter weather would not be surprised to find blankets and a shovel, even in the summer. Unless there was something really unusual about the items, it would probably just be chalked up to lazy drivers.

If someone lived in mountains that get snow, I'd expect to find a set of chains in their trunk but maybe not year round. Chains are bulky and have no other use than to put on the tires when they are required (and travelling with chains is no joy because they generally restrict your speed to about 30 mph or 50 kph). Then again, if it is a vehicle with a large cargo capacity, inertia may easily take over in the matter of chains, too.

Shovels used for snow shovelling are not usually very good for digging in the ground but that's just my midwestern knowledge. What the ground is like to dig in desert areas, I have absolutely no idea. I suppose if it were sandy, a snow shovel could be used but the deserts I've seen seemed pretty hard packed.

Oh! I just remembered! For many years, I had a nifty little folding spade that a friend gave me that was a souvenir from the Soviet Army (we're not going to ask how he procured the item). It was quite well designed which seemed odd considering the general reputation of Soviet design. It was just the right size to dig out two tyre wide trenches. My brother borrowed it back in the early 90s and he has never returned it but he needn't think I have forgotten. I shall have to add a postscript to his Christmas card!

Anyway, those little folding spades are now fairly commonly available and they would work to dig in any ground that you didn't need to use a pickaxe on.
 
  • #396
So people in mountain areas might carry a shovel and blankets in their vehicle in winter too? Do people usually remove them in summer, or just keep them there all year? Would LE find it suspicious to find a blanket and shovel in someone's vehicle in summer, if that place had snowy winters, do you think?

Fwiw, SAR and LE spend a lot of time searching vehicles.
Ya'll wouldn't believe the stuff people keep in their cars, trucks- heck even on their motorcycles and bicycles, lol!
 
  • #397
Oh, and I just thought Cubby, wouldn't it be interesting if JeM's phone pings showed he was in Bob's home, at the same time as the CL would swear she saw him coming back from somewhere well outside the home?

Wouldn't it be interesting if any possible incoming calls pinged from the same tower that serviced Mr. Harrod's residence? Or if there was a vehicle that matched a description of something seen at (or by) the Harrod residence during that time, that had a GPS that pinged off of same service? :waitasec:
 
  • #398
GPS or OnStar is something that never crossed my mind, Oriah, after all of this time. THANK YOU! We know from several cases that the companies keep those records and will turn them over to LE upon request.

How about a laptop or computer activity? There has to be a record from Mr Harrods ISP of activity from those days. We know at least that JuM was posting on her community forum the day she did the interview with the media.
 
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Fwiw, SAR and LE spend a lot of time searching vehicles.
Ya'll wouldn't believe the stuff people keep in their cars, trucks- heck even on their motorcycles and bicycles, lol!

Some people see a table. I see storage space.

'Nough said?
 
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