CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #13

[believe09]

Wait, if the 7PM time is even slightly accurate, then no one raised the alarm at all until they called Mrs Harrod? I mean, the assumption is that the reason they knew Dad was missing was because he didnt return home when JeM left and JeM told someone.

Now this story is even more confusing and sinister, frankly. If JeM left shortly after CL, how did he know Bob hadnt returned? And if they didnt call Fontelle until so late MO time, how did they know that Bob wasnt home seeing as how no one entered the house, right?

I wonder if Bob's phone had caller ID. You know, someone could see who had called and who might have been calling every 20 minutes when she didnt get an answer.

 

[zwiebel]

I think it did. Because PB had used the service we in England call 'number withheld', so her 'number came up as private'. Private or viewable, you only get that if you have caller ID.

 

[zwiebel]

I use that service myself. For some reason, I can't understand a word of German on the phone and I've been a bit allergic to answering it since I agreed to buy a freezer's worth of home delivered meat - when I didn't even have a freezer and I'm a lifelong veggie. Speck is not shorthand for specification in German, by the way, it means pork. I didn't know that then.

It's a great service for pretending you're not in when you are. Or choosing exactly who you answer the phone to, and when. And knowing exactly who has called, and when.

What I don't know is - if you pick up the phone to check who has called and at what time (you usually have to go through a menu) would that show up on a police phone records' check later?

 

[zwiebel]

Threads ago I mentioned finding that pic of Bob opening a present that looked as though it could have been a new phone. The name was on the side of the box but it would need a good zoom. If the serial number was visible we could look it up and probably find out exactly what Bob's phone could do.

I just have to find the photo again.

 

[zwiebel]

Here it is. On Namus. I can't zoom it though. Can anyone else?

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/2706

ETA Link hasn't worked properly. Click on images on left scroll bar, then centre image.

 

[Cubby]

All I can make out is it is a Panasonic. Everything else is too small to read.

 

[cloudajo]

I can't recall any mention anywhere of the time JeM arrived back at his own home. I can't even find any article that clearly states he went home after leaving Bob's.

That ireport also says it is a Nancy Grace assignment. I don't really understand what that is, actually.

Thanks. The iReport article says JeM left around 6PM and returned home after 7PM. The LA Times article also said JeM left Bob's about 6PM. Google shows 1 hour and 16-18 min from Bob's to JeM's; 1 hour and 23-31 min in traffic.

CNN iReport:

Around 6:00p.m., the son in law left for his home.

The thinking was that Robert H had gone for a walk or to a neighbor’s to visit.

But, once the son in law returned home after 7:00p.m., his wife called her dad’s house. There was no answer. Placentia police were called to do a home welfare check.

LA Times:

Michaels told the housekeeper his father-in-law might have gone to visit a neighbor, police say. Michaels left about 6 p.m.

A couple of hours later, Fontelle called Bob as she always did, hoping to catch her new husband after dinner. He didn't answer. She called again 20 minutes later and again and again every 20 minutes until after midnight, when Julie Michaels called to say her father was missing.

 

[zwiebel]

I'm trying to blow it up myself, but I've got no idea what I'm doing.

 

[cloudajo]

I'm trying to blow it up myself, but I've got no idea what I'm doing.

I blew it up but unfortunately, the print is not legible other than Panasonic. It was a good idea though!

 

[zwiebel]

Danke danke, cloudajo.

 

[zwiebel]

This model was for sale in 2008. Big buttons for those with poor sight:

http://www.cordless-phones.uk.com/c...ering-machine/review/panasonic-kxtg-7162-twin

 

[believe09]

Looking forward to seeing how Disappeared depicts the events after JeM leaves the house.

 

[zwiebel]

It is pretty shocking, to my mind, that with a grandson living within a few minutes walk there was no action between JeM leaving the house at 6pm and LE arriving at Bob's at 9.32.

Factor in that grandson AH stood on the driveway with the key in his hand, waiting for LE......when he could have just gone in to see if grandpa was there and okay....well. I don't know what to say really.

 

[mkay882]

not on ID here

 

[Cubby]

Thanks. The iReport article says JeM left around 6PM and returned home after 7PM. The LA Times article also said JeM left Bob's about 6PM. Google shows 1 hour and 16-18 min from Bob's to JeM's; 1 hour and 23-31 min in traffic.

CNN iReport:

Around 6:00p.m., the son in law left for his home.

The thinking was that Robert H had gone for a walk or to a neighbor’s to visit.

But, once the son in law returned home after 7:00p.m., his wife called her dad’s house. There was no answer. Placentia police were called to do a home welfare check.

LA Times:

Michaels told the housekeeper his father-in-law might have gone to visit a neighbor, police say. Michaels left about 6 p.m.

A couple of hours later, Fontelle called Bob as she always did, hoping to catch her new husband after dinner. He didn't answer. She called again 20 minutes later and again and again every 20 minutes until after midnight, when Julie Michaels called to say her father was missing.

And we know the housekeeper arrived around noon. So we have an 81 year old man taking a six hour walk or a 6 hour visit with a neighbor on a hot July day and JeM just drives home. May he reap what he has sown, ten fold.

 

[Cubby]

not on ID here

We were notified on the 7th it was not going to air here in the States on the 18th. It did air in Australia on the 8th. We're still waiting for a rescheduled air date for here in the states.

 

[mkay882]

We were notified on the 7th it was not going to air here in the States on the 18th. It did air in Australia on the 8th. We're still waiting for a rescheduled air date for here in the states.

Thanks Cubby!

 

[zwiebel]

I hope that wasn't me causing confusion by having the old air date in my sig. Sorry if it was. I've changed it now.

 

[zwiebel]

I'm trying to work out the bare bones of the timeline - not make sense of it, but isolate exactly which times LE have verified, or which times there is supporting evidence for. Even if those times may not be correct, if you know what I mean.

I have JuM's maybe one, noon? JeM's 3.04 receipt, AH's welfare check at 9.32 and Fontelle's call at 10pm the evening before.

I really want to include the housekeepers' noon arrival too, but are we certain she actually said that? I never saw the clip so I don't know how it played out, and now it looks like it's been removed........are you long-term posters who saw the clip unequivocal that she said that/and or the narrator said she said that?

I'm not doubting, I just want to be sure.

ETA: Oh, and I'm counting PB's 11-12 call too, because that's stated on the Namus profile.

 

[believe09]

I'm trying to work out the bare bones of the timeline - not make sense of it, but isolate exactly which times LE have verified, or which times there is supporting evidence for. Even if those times may not be correct, if you know what I mean.

I have JuM's maybe one, noon? JeM's 3.04 receipt, AH's welfare check at 9.32 and Fontelle's call at 10pm the evening before.

I really want to include the housekeepers' noon arrival too, but are we certain she actually said that? I never saw the clip so I don't know how it played out, and now it looks like it's been removed........are you long-term posters who saw the clip unequivocal that she said that/and or the narrator said she said that?

I'm not doubting, I just want to be sure.

ETA: Oh, and I'm counting PB's 11-12 call too, because that's stated on the Namus profile.

She wrote the NAMUS profile.