CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #14

[Oriah]

I am sure he had some kind of financial adviser at the institution where he kept the bulk of his money. That might be an avenue as well, at least one I am sure LE explored.

I'm sure they have.
Thank goodness for LE that looks at everything!

Do you suppose there's any financial info available related to any changes to any of Mr. Harrod's insurance policies? Or even what automated payments to any policies- such as car insurance or house or flood insurance or that sort of thing were last made? Do we have that info?

 

[zwiebel]

I think my post upthread may have been misunderstood. My bad. I was just looking at something it seems like Mr. Harrod might possibly have done to protect FH.
Is it possible that he did something like that, and that angered other family members?

His attorney would have no ethical way of disclosing that info at this time, since Mr. Harrod is still missing. Is this correct? Maybe gitana can weigh in?

No it wasn't. It opened a door. It was brilliant. It enabled me to make a point I had wanted to for ages. I knew exactly what you meant. I don't think you have a single 'bad' about you in fact, Oriah.

 

[zwiebel]

I had to share this story. It's about a missing woman in her eighties. When first alerted, it appears she may have been missing up to six hours. In Bob's case, six hours after he went missing could be roughly 5 or 6 pm.

Just compare what happened in this lady's case at the 6 hours missing mark, to what was happening in Bob's case then. To use a corny phrase, people sprang into action. The outcome was corny too, with an ending full of kindness and happiness. Wonderful.

It is a perfect illustration of how people really searching behave. And why the behaviour of people around Bob's case has led to so many of us questioning it.

http://www.eastcoastlive.co.uk/news/info.php?refnum=2500

 

[Cubby]

Great story about family and community coming together to find this missing elderly woman, thanks for sharing it zwiebel. What a tremendous difference between the actions taken by this family and their community in comparison to those taken by Bob's daughters, son in law and grandson.

I can't imagine how alone Bob must have felt from the time of Georgia's disappearance and his reuniting with Fontelle. And then for that to be taken away from him so soon after finding someone to connect with and for someone to cause him to be alone again. It makes my heart heavy.

Your wife isn't giving up on you Bob, nor are we. Whatever it takes to find you and bring you home.

 

[Oriah]

No it wasn't. It opened a door. It was brilliant. It enabled me to make a point I had wanted to for ages. I knew exactly what you meant. I don't think you have a single 'bad' about you in fact, Oriah.

Thank you, zwie, you are very kind.

I have been thinking about the whole trust/bypass trust situation a lot lately. The girls obviously all shared an interest in gaining financial knowledge and/or benefits from the bypass trust. Mr. Harrod was reluctant to produce it for them (but then again, we're basing that knowledge on testimony from JuM, P,and R, so do we truly have a good idea?? Mr. Harrod isn't here to speak for himself.)

Anyway, the meeting the night before Mr. Harrod disappeared was specifically regarding GH's 'will', correct? Not the trust(s). Did GH have a living trust or any sort of advance directive that we know of?

Sorry if this has already been asked and answered; I am curious to see if there are any correlations between GH's situation, and Mr. Harrod's.

 

[Mels3kidz]

Let's face it, this family isnt known for bestirring themselves when they can bicker about it instead. Maybe that is how they best communicate...*shrug*.

Remember how one sister charged the other sister for shelter during a huge fire with a mandatory evacuation? I guess they are all financially savvy individuals.

BBM. Weeeelllllll that's one way of putting it. I can think of a few other phrases that I'd use to describe them.

Mel

 

[zwiebel]

Thank you, zwie, you are very kind.

I have been thinking about the whole trust/bypass trust situation a lot lately. The girls obviously all shared an interest in gaining financial knowledge and/or benefits from the bypass trust. Mr. Harrod was reluctant to produce it for them (but then again, we're basing that knowledge on testimony from JuM, P,and R, so do we truly have a good idea?? Mr. Harrod isn't here to speak for himself.)

Anyway, the meeting the night before Mr. Harrod disappeared was specifically regarding GH's 'will', correct? Not the trust(s). Did GH have a living trust or any sort of advance directive that we know of?

Sorry if this has already been asked and answered; I am curious to see if there are any correlations between GH's situation, and Mr. Harrod's.

Oh gosh, my mind has just run off in a wild direction here, Oriah. Am I here on my own, or am I following you?

 

[zwiebel]

To answer your question though, Oriah, in a completely non-lawyerly fashion, as I'm not one;

It looks like Bob Harrod had set up a trust with his wife where whoever was the surviving spouse, would retain all powers over it until they died, AS WELL AS powers to change it. Who would be appointed Trustees among the children, for example, and who could be added to it. That is very important in this case, imo.

As important, I think, is that the children seemed to be under the impression that they would inherit the first Mrs Harrod's half (or a big helping of it), when she died. Hence all the pestering Bob for copies of the will.

I want to add here, I believe that Bob's daughters statements about that family meeting (night before Bob disappeared) being about obtaining a copy of GH's will was true. I think there is ample evidence they have been a bit silly sometimes, so I could believe they were silly enough to not know they could have gone to the probate court and got a copy for themselves, anytime.

I know RB is trying to make her letter to Bob about this issue sound as though she has consulted an attorney, but I don't believe she had. He wouldn't have let her write that letter, for a start. She is just trying to scare Bob, imo. And her/most attorneys (not any of our ones here) would simply have explained to her that they could obtain the document for her. Probably for a hundred times' what it would cost to get it by herself - but hey, that's what you get for not researching.

So I think it was true that Georgia Harrod's will was the subject of that heated/non heated family meeting. I just don't think it was the only subject.

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[zwiebel]

Urgent help needed here, fellow sleuthers, because this is part of a grand plan that's grinding to a halt; In this pic of the beard competition, which one is Bob? Number seven, back row, from the right? Or not?

http://www.kchistory.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/Assorted&CISOPTR=765

 

[Cubby]

I think 3rd from the right in the back row is Bob. Though, I am not 100% certain. It's a small picture, but looks very much like him, imo.

 

[Cubby]

Anyone besides me wonder how regularly prosecutors review this case?
It's only a matter of time before charges are approved. tick tock tick tock.
:behindbar

 

[zwiebel]

I've got this on Californian, Missouri, German and English time. I bet there's a few Australian clocks ticking too.

 

[zwiebel]

My very good friend lives in Greece, and I've even thought of taking Bob's case over there, but that would probably be stretching things a bit too far. I might still ask next time I pop over though.......I don't care where support for Bob comes, as long as it comes.

 

[believe09]

When I see the words advanced directive, I think living will. Oriah, you have rocketed me in an entirely different direction.

 

[zwiebel]

Oriah is very good at that different directions thing. If I had disappeared someone, I definitely wouldn't want Oriah on my trail! A person could never rest easy that any avenue (or drive) would ever be left unexplored.

 

[zwiebel]

I had to look up advanced directive. I'd never heard of that before. Here is a good explanation, though it's English. I suspect pretty much the same applies in the US too.

http://www.patient.co.uk/doctor/advance-directives-living-wills

 

[Oriah]

Oriah is very good at that different directions thing. If I had disappeared someone, I definitely wouldn't want Oriah on my trail! A person could never rest easy that any avenue (or drive) would ever be left unexplored.

I am a touch hyperactive.

Where I was going with that last thought re: GH and a possible advance directive/living will... If she had one in place (which we don't know) then perhaps her daughters were aware of that. Her daughters were present at the time of her passing.
Pure speculation now- but the safe(s) in the residence may have contained legal documents to support a living will. Or a safety deposit box at a bank may have contained legal documents to support a living will as well. Or both. If this is the case, can we hope that any directive as such would also be on file with the Harrod's attorney?

Might Mr. Harrod also have one? It's a very normal practice for elderly or ill persons- heck, these days it's normal for the young and well to think about life support.

Is it possible that someone wanted documents more than cash?

 

[believe09]

Maybe we should take a moment to consider if all of the noise regarding "Georgia's Will" may have included a discussion regarding advanced directives and who followed through on it if she had one?

Along the lines of this topic: (JuM)

My mom died in her 70s, 5 years ago as of the 15th of this month, we brought her home to die with each of her daughters being with her at the end, I was the one whispering in her ear it was okay to let go, I did not leave her body, I bathed her and cleaned her up closing her eyes and holding them until they stayed shut,I put in her teeth and held her jaw until it stayed shut (it was a battle with my dad as he saved all her dentures thinking they had gold in them) I told him I was following her wishes, I honored my mom with my whole heart. My sisters were creeped out by what I did, I think not. I was with her when she took her last breath on the same date she was with me when I took my first breath. I miss my mom so darn much my heart aches, I will honor her in my heart forever, she was so innocent. My mom was the glue that bound our family together with the best memories of my life.

My choice will be either a huge Sharpie Marker across my chest or forehead saying no DNR or I will get my first tattoo stating the same on my chest. I will chose death over going to a nursing facility, this is the reason I have my advanced directives. I do not want my life extended with artificial means, being in a SNF is NOT quality of life. I have no idea why they call them "Skilled" nursing facilities, half the staff do not even speak English.

I will do the same for my husband if his health takes a further turn, we have discussed this, I will honor his wishes as he will honor mine. I will bring him home and love him and tend to his needs to the end.

LINK HERE

 

[believe09]

Oriah, you and I were posting at the exact same time! I wonder about the possibility that Bob has an advanced directive as well.

 

[Oriah]

Oriah, you and I were posting at the exact same time! I wonder about the possibility that Bob has an advanced directive as well.

Great minds think alike.