CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #14

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  • #261
No, not being facetious at all. I forget names and words and then it bugs me like crazy. Thank you very much for your help! I remembered the name as soon as I saw your post.

Agreed, it was a very strange and tragic case. And a baby left behind too, and an estranged grandma, I think. Hope the baby is loved and thriving now, money or none.
 
  • #262
Follow up re my visit to admin of the AussieCrims site in search of mention of Bob Harrod and the missing TV episode aired down-under. Even with all their u-beaut toys advanced searches of comments across all threads came up empty. Sorry team.
 
  • #263
Hey guys, I wanted to add something. As some of you know, I have obtained the court documents from the courthouse. Since I stated that, I have had requests to put the documents online so all can view them. I am reluctant to do that for many reasons, primarily because I have not been immersed enough in the case to feel comfortable enough taking certain steps or divulging certain things. I;m not trying to be cryptic at all, or evasive. I just don't want to do anything that could hurt the investigation in any way or that could hurt Mrs. Harrod.

For example, in the probate case, the girls have demanded that a certain document be sealed and kept secret. That would be the grandson's deal with the girls, regarding the house Mr. Harrod gave him. Once of the arguments for keeping the agreement secret was that Mrs. Harrod was allowing documents to be posted online. Which is laughable. Many people now have those documents.

In any event, there may be some documents that I feel comfortable posting myself but right now, that's not the case. However, anyone can get them. They are unavailable via online but you can order them by mail:

Ordering Copies:

Certification and Copying Fees Schedule
Copies are available per page. If a document is to be certified, an additional fee is required per document.
Exemplifications (Authentications) can be issued if requested
Clerk's Certificates of Facts may be purchased for a fee.
You may request copies by mail.

Requests by Mail

You must indicate “Probate Operations” on the envelope to ensure proper delivery; if the request is not addressed properly it may be returned to you.

Send your written request, including a self-addressed, stamped return envelope with sufficient postage. List the form number or the exact title of the form in your request.
Mail to:
Superior Court of California, County of Orange
Probate Operations
341 The City Drive
Orange, CA 92868
You will need to include the following in your request:

  • Case number
  • Case name
  • Indicate “entire file” or specify the documents by title
  • Specify the date filed (if unknown, give approximate year of filing)
  • Make check payable to “Clerk of the Court”
  • Include a self-addressed return envelope with sufficient postage for the return of copies
http://www.occourts.org/directory/probate/general-information.html


Here are the relevant case numbers: 30-2009-00297798-PR-TR-LJC (the trust case) and 30-2009-00291267-PR-CE-LJC (the conservatorship case).



30-2008-00068771-PR-OP-LJC (Georgia Harrod's safekeeping will case. But note that I saw no evidence of recorded documents in that case).


The title for the conservatorship case is HARROD - CONSERVATORSHIP.


The title for the probate case is HARROD - TRUST.


The title for Georgia's case is HARROD-SAFEKEEPING WILL.



In order to know what documents you need and thus how much money you should send to the clerk for your copies, (don't forget return postage costs and boxes or large mailers for the documents), you can find a list of each documents by searching for the case you want to access, here: https://ocapps.occourts.org/ProbPubv2/Home.do

It's 50 cents per page and do not get certified copies. You don't need them certified and that is an extra $25.00 per document.

I hope that helps, guys.

ETA: The total amount of documents for both files is about two reams of copy paper. So weigh that and figure out postage for that. That's what you will need to send to the court if you want the whole file. It's MUCH cheaper to order single docs.!!!

Thank you Gitana for your detailed information unfortunately the postage to Aus might be a little steep.
Further investigation by this little duck will have to wait until the wild geese return to the northern hemisphere.
 
  • #264
Oh, good heavens. The law, the law. I don't think that case is going to enlighten us at ALL about Bob's estate. It's about a 1000 times more complicated and the numbers are mind boggling. I just misread 444 something million for hundreds of thousands, and wondered how in heaven's name that could have later been reduced by 88 million.

Why on earth this huge, unspendable-in-a-lifetime amount of money wasn't just divided up and everyone went on their way, I don't know.

Definitely think this could be an 'exceptional' legal case though, and with the president stepping in it's obvious precedents (previous word that slipped my mind and bugged me) were set, but I'm not going to try and fathom what they were.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Nicole_Smith#Inheritance_court_cases
 
  • #265
Follow up re my visit to admin of the AussieCrims site in search of mention of Bob Harrod and the missing TV episode aired down-under. Even with all their u-beaut toys advanced searches of comments across all threads came up empty. Sorry team.

Thank you so much for all the trouble you went to, Mountain Misst. I wish I'd had the sense to take a screen shot at the time.

Re the postage; by ship's much cheaper. You might be many years older before it reaches you though. And for anyone reading who wants advice, never send chocolate or beautiful French Lavender honey to Australia without checking if it is summer or winter there first. The results can be unpleasant.
 
  • #266
Wouldn't Fontelle be considered as being married to him this whole time he's been missing??? I mean if he is declared dead in 2014, 5 years after he disappeared, wouldn't the DOD be 2014 or whenever the courts legally declare him dead and not have the death date be retroactive back to July 27, 2009, the day he disppeared??? So when Bob is declared dead by the daughters via the courts, won't she have been married to him for 5 years?? Not one month??

If an application is made to the court for declaration of death, the court determines the date of death on the evidence.

12407. (a) If the court finds that the alleged missing person is a
person presumed to be dead under Section 12401, the court shall do
both of the following:
(1) Appoint a personal representative for the estate of the
missing person in the manner provided for the estates of deceased
persons.
(2) Determine the date of the missing person's death.

Probate Code, California.
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/index.html
 
  • #267
Are you being facetious?

It was Anna Nicole Smith. She was a Playboy model among many other things, she married him and had her own career. She fought that she loved him and never got a penny, but it didn't seem to bother her. I still think she did actually love him... in her own weird way. SHe was a troubled girl with a tragic ending.

Thank you for this post. This poor girl did have a very sad life.
An important difference in this case was that J. Howard Marshall died of natural causes, he didn't go missing a month after his marriage.:twocents:
 
  • #268
Thank you for this post. This poor girl did have a very sad life.
An important difference in this case was that J. Howard Marshall died of natural causes, he didn't go missing a month after his marriage.:twocents:


Nor did he go missing less than 24 hours after a heated family meeting with his daughters and son in law over his money, while his wife was more than a 1000 miles away.
 
  • #269
FYI

From US Census, taken 1 April 1940.

Name: Fontelle Mayer
Titles & Terms:
Event: Census
Event Year: 1940
Event Place: Ward 12, Kansas City, Kaw Township, Jackson, Missouri, United States
Gender: Female
Age: 4
Marital Status: Single
Race (Standardized): White
Relationship to Head of Household (Standardized): Daughter
Birthplace: Missouri
Estimated Birth Year: 1936
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K74C-1JR
http://1940census.archives.gov/

Engaged on birthday 12 Jan 1950. Aged 14, not 15.
 
  • #270
Nor did he go missing less than 24 hours after a heated family meeting with his daughters and son in law over his money, while his wife was more than a 1000 miles away.

Hearsay evidence only.
 
  • #271
Hearsay evidence only.

Riight. Bob's daughters admitted to the meeting. Paula verbally confirmed the heated family meeting via the Disappeared show. In fact, Paula and Roberta's spoken versions of the heated family meeting on Disappeared differ. One of them is clearly lying.

I don't call that hearsay, I call it straight from the horses mouth when it was video taped and played to the public. ETA: No doubt it will eventually be played in court too.
 
  • #272
Riight. Bob's daughters admitted to the meeting. Paula verbally confirmed the heated family meeting via the Disappeared show. In fact, Paula and Roberta's spoken versions of the heated family meeting on Disappeared differ. One of them is clearly lying.

I don't call that hearsay, I call it straight from the horses mouth when it was video taped and played to the public. ETA: No doubt it will eventually be played in court too.

The actual meeting wasn't videotaped. Bob isn't around to testify as to what was discussed at the meeting. It's hearsay.
 
  • #273
Grandson AH's statement to LE that there had been fighting in the family wouldn't be classed as hearsay either, would it?
 
  • #274
The actual meeting wasn't videotaped. Bob isn't around to testify as to what was discussed at the meeting. It's hearsay.


Roberta and Paula were video taped for the Disappeared show and specifically spoke about the heated family meeting. Their stories differed. Their video taped statements are not hearsay.
 
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Grandson AH's statement to LE that there had been fighting in the family wouldn't be classed as hearsay either, would it?

If there is such a statement, it would be evidence. Evidence of a family fight, not of a murder.

Clearly it wasn't the 'knock down drag out' it's being portrayed because Bob had his son in law around the next day to help him get the house ready.
 
  • #277
FYI

From US Census, taken 1 April 1940.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K74C-1JR
http://1940census.archives.gov/

Engaged on birthday 12 Jan 1950. Aged 14, not 15.


Fontelle's parents must have thought Bob was really trustworthy and must have really approved of him, to let her get engaged so young.

I'm not surprised though, as Bob's sister suggested the family of his first wife, Georgia, really approved of him too. He was married to Georgia for what, over 56 years?

I guess she must have really approved of him too!
 
  • #278
If there is such a statement, it would be evidence. Evidence of a family fight, not of a murder.

Clearly it wasn't the 'knock down drag out' it's being portrayed because Bob had his son in law around the next day to help him get the house ready.

It's in the legal document thread - the LE report on the night Bob disappeared.

I don't think it is surprising Bob had SIL around the next day, because I don't think it was Bob who was angry about that family meeting. I think someone else was.

Link here: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bob Harrod-Court Documents No discussion
 
  • #279
Additionally, Paula's statements made for the Disappeared show differ from her sworn testimony in a court case shortly after the Disappeared show was taped.

So, we have the following contradictions: (all previously linked throughout Bob's threads)

1)Paula and Roberta's video taped statements (Disappeared show aired in Australia) about what occured at the heated family meeting differ.

2)Paula's statements via the disappeared show contradict her sworn statements in
court not long after the Disappeared show was aired.

3)Jeff and Julie's given LKA or last time seen differ.


That information can be found in the media thread and the court doc thread for Bob's case.

CA CA - Bob Harrod, Time Line and Media Links only - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


CA CA - Bob Harrod-Court Documents No discussion - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


The disappeared show summary is upthread (1st or 2nd page of this thread) and I will find the transcript for the last 5 minutes or so of the Disappeared show shortly. (IIRC, it was transcribed in the last thread.)
 
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