CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #14

[Cubby]

According to TV Guide Bob's' Disappeared episode is airing at 6 pm Pacific, and 7 pm Mountain.


http://www.tvguide.com/Listings/

ETA: ID doesn't have their television schedule listed past March 31 yet. I'm a little confused on whether TV Guide has the correct Pacific and Mountain air times so please check your local listings, and we can check the ID site when they update it to include April 4.

 

[zwiebel]

Cubby, you saved me in the nick of time from sending out some incorrect info that might have caused a lot of hard work to put right.

Are you changing your sig? I don't really trust guides to be always up to date....

 

[zwiebel]

ID itself has still got nothing on the schedule:

http://investigation.discovery.com/tv-shows/disappeared/tv-schedule.htm

 

[tamild]

That was a humdinger of a first post of yours, Tamild.

I guess there could be someone who saw all that publicity, of course. I thought about that too. The questions to me then are;

Who could it be?
Why could they want to harm Bob?
What would they have to gain by Bob's disappearance?

I have searched and searched. I mean really searched. I can't find anything. He was eighty-one years old, so any enemies he may have made in his journey through life were likely to be elderly too, if not deceased.

He was wealthy, but everything I've seen out there, including info from his daughters, indicates the source of that was a lifetime's hard work at an aerospace firm; being careful with his cash, and astute property investments. Bob had rooted himself in just a few homes over all those decades married to Georgia, with no attempt to conceal his identity, or where he was living. I would have thought if there was someone in his past with a grudge, they could have acted much earlier, well before Bob's house was surrounded by camera crews waiting for Fontelle's return.

I am beginning to realise that I haven't considered if there were any other in-laws in the family when Bob disappeared, and where they were that day. Not implying they had anything to do with it of course, but we already have at least five family members in California who failed to report Bob missing. It would be interesting if it turned out there were more.

Over 81 years, a man could make a lot of enemies, and not necessarily ones his own age. For instance-property investments. Was he a landlord to anyone other than family? Did he evict anyone? Foreclose on a property? BUY a foreclosure that someone could resent him for purchasing? Work life-was he in a position of authority? Fire anyone? Cause someone to lose a promotion? Take credit for an idea belonging to someone else?

Was Bob even the target? Could someone have had a grudge against Fontelle and wanted to destroy her hopes of happiness?

LE has stated that it is not a stranger crime and that it isnt a random act of violence. Even the family believes that it was someone close to Bob.

I am intrigued to hear your thoughts Tamild about the pre disappearance publicity-We know that it didnt include any reference to Bob's wealth. So what kind of feelings or crime might have been triggered about it?

I really think this is an interesting angle.

As you can see, all I have are random musings But as far as wealth goes, it was obvious to me from the videos of the Bob/Fontelle love story that Bob Harrod was a man of at least moderate wealth. There was nothing in those videos to suggest that Bob was just scraping by on Social Security, kwim? Besides, surely anyone who knew him had to at least suspect that he was well-off. Seeing Bob happy, financially secure, and ready to take on another chapter of his life...that may be enough to push someone with a grudge over the edge.

 

[zwiebel]

Most houses are tiny in England, so I can't really judge what a wealthy person's suburban house would look like in the US, unless it's really obvious. But locals seem to think Bob lived very modestly and his car was quite old. His daughters have also stressed - a lot - how careful and private Bob was with his money, so I'm not sure how anyone could have known really.

Any locals able to give an opinion on the financial impression a house like Bob's gives?

 

[Cubby]

Cubby, you saved me in the nick of time from sending out some incorrect info that might have caused a lot of hard work to put right.

Are you changing your sig? I don't really trust guides to be always up to date....

I checked both TV Guide's listings and DirecTV's listings. These cable/satellite companies and TV Guide (which has been around forever) still send info out in print. Cable customers have the option to order a magazine with a month worths of scheduling.

ID has their listings somewhere, just not under disappeared. Gotta run out so can't look now. I think they are just behind on updating their site.


I'm just confused on whether the PT/MT times are as scheduled in TV Guide, or if they are going to air behind/after ET/CT as they usually do. I thought we all saw a program at the same time if it were live tv such as in sports rather than recorded shows.

We'll soon find out. I guess it's better to look at the earlier times and be wrong than to wait for the later times and have missed the earlier airing. that's why I posted the TV Guide info.

hth

 

[zwiebel]

Found this now but I can't see where to find the episode description with the air dates. I do find the ID website a little.....ungermanic, shall we say. Probably because it's not actually in Germany.

http://www.investigationdiscovery.ca/Schedule.aspx

ETA - There's no Disappeared episode on the schedule for April 4th. It's on two days before??

 

[zwiebel]

Ah well. I'm not the only one feeling a little frustrated. On Disappeared's official fb page 9 hours ago, someone was telling everyone to calm down. They don't even seem to be aware it's back on the schedules there.

Disappeared has some dedicated fans. Hope they all watch Bob's show.

https://www.facebook.com/DisappearedonID

 

[tamild]

Most houses are tiny in England, so I can't really judge what a wealthy person's suburban house would look like in the US, unless it's really obvious. But locals seem to think Bob lived very modestly and his car was quite old. His daughters have also stressed - a lot - how careful and private Bob was with his money, so I'm not sure how anyone could have known really.

Any locals able to give an opinion on the financial impression a house like Bob's gives?

For me, it's not so much the house that gave me the impression that Bob was well-off. Well, in a way, perhaps. When I see a 81 year old widower in a house of that size, well kept, well furnished who has the means to not only fly a lady to see him, but to make her his wife...I dunno. It just screams "money" to me. Ironically, if he had an overly lavish home with a luxury car, I'd think he was broke LOL It's just that everything about Bob says "quietly wealthy" to me. It's nothing I can really put my finger on, but he definitely has that "millionaire next door" quality about him.

 

[zwiebel]

I see what you mean. So as long as someone had seen where Bob lived, they could have picked up that same impression too.

I'm not sure if what was shown in the only TV interview with Bob I've seen, was enough to give much impression at all of his physical circumstances. or the newspaper pics of him and Fontelle. I think the TV station in the clip above must have interviewed Bob previously, which is where they got the footage of him from. I've never seen that though and we don't seem to have it. Cloudajo or Angelo might recollect it.

Anyhow, someone a while ago posted about Placentia being a safe, bedroom community, and I'm guessing there are more than a few folk in the same circumstances as Bob. So if it was a random abductor, I'd have thought there would have been a lot more incidents. If it was someone from the past with a grudge, I still find it a huge coincidence it happened right when all the fighting in the family was going on.

If it was someone with a grudge against Fontelle - they'd have to be from Missouri, wouldn't they? She'd lived there her whole life. I have severe doubts about how much coverage it got there - from what I've found out, Missouri has been pretty much oblivious, up until now.

 

[Cubby]

ID has their TV listings but it is a daily schedule, not at schedule by program and it is only through the end of March.

http://investigation.discovery.com/tv-shows/tv-schedule.htm

 

[Cubby]

IMO, I think we need to look at 3 things here.

1)The timing of the heated family meeting.
2)The time/date Bob asked his daughters to leave him alone for 6 months
3)The time/date Paula discovered Bob was gifting the hair dresser money.

#'s 2 and 3 above seem to have occured in January of 2009.

According to EdinburghLass's summary of the Disappeared show, Paula mentions discovering Bob was giving the BL money when she did his taxes. Year end statements from financial institutions come fairly quickly, so I think we are safe to assume during the month of January the following happened:

1)Bob's taxes filed and the discovery of giving the BL money.
2)Julie reporting 'elder abuse'
3)Some kind of talk about gifting money, or demanding money in which Bob gave his daughters each 15K and asked them to leave him alone for 6 mo's. Which I believe was a result of the reporting of the elder abuse.

I think the 3 occurances (taxes, reported elder abuse, payment of 15K to daughters with the request to leave him alone 6 mo's) which likely occured in January, led to Bob making some kind of changes which were first made known at the heated family meeting. I seem to recall daughter Roberta stating she was unaware she was a co-conservator prior to the heated family meeting.

Something clearly changed which upset the Michaels family. Because immediately after this heated family meeting, the 'Michaels triangle' of Jeff, Julie and Andrew have seemingly full access to Bob's home and property/paperwork/records for 50-55 hours or so until Mrs. Harrod arrived home Wednesday July 29.

50-55 hours is an awful lot of time to have full unobstructed access to Bob's home. Enough time to dig through his financial records, compile the mile long memorabilia list and put a stop to whatever changes Bob had made and was in the process of making.

I go back and forth between thinking daughter RB gets so angry because she simply does not want to be forced to look at the obvious - a kind of don't make me look there thing, look here with me...

I'd bet money the Michaels triangle is responsible for Bob's 'disappearance'. All three of them are equally involved and equally responsible, imo, and have somehow managed to convince Paula and Roberta their actions, which were not intended to disappear Bob, deem their culpability equally with JeM's, JuM's and AH's, when in reality PB and RB's behavior is not. The Michael's triangle is just using that as a weapon, and I hope PB and RB can recognize and accept it.

I think all three of those events, tied together provide a very very strong motive.

What did Jeff, Julie and Andrew learn the day of the family meeting they had not previously known?

 

[cleo612]

Again? I remember seeing an online plea from her a few years ago searching for her husband as a missing person. He fled to TX again?

Huh. That's some pretty interesting behavior.

Kind of makes you wonder if this husband of her's might have reasons to fear for his own safety, doesn't it?

Maybe he is in hiding from this "family" in order to save his own life--especially if he was around at the time that Bob went missing and later learned that Bob's disappearance was at the hands of one or more of his wife's family members.

Just speculating, of course.

 

[believe09]

Kind of makes you wonder if this husband of her's might have reasons to fear for his own safety, doesn't it?

Maybe he is in hiding from this "family" in order to save his own life--especially if he was around at the time that Bob went missing and later learned that Bob's disappearance was at the hands of one or more of his wife's family members.

Just speculating, of course.

Or.....there are all kinds of conspiracies we can look at if the focus is the fight for the money and the likely perp(s) are those closest to Bob.

I am fairly certain early on there was some energy devoted to RB's ex in the earlier threads. The neighbor who tipped us off to the clean out of the house also indicated that he was present for it.

I dont suppose if I were him, I would want to stick around for the backlash when the show airs. Assuming there is some pressure and backlash that results from it. At a minimum, the fact that the show was filmed before they lost the civil suit against BL and the fact that they clearly and emphatically point the finger at her....that should cause some difficulties for them I would think. I hope the information they share on the show matches closely with what was testified to at the suit.

Like, their father was of clear and sound mind when he was last seen by PB.

 

[charminglane]

"Tex" talked openly and honesty about what was going on at the time of Bob's disappearance to a KTLA friend after the show aired. Further inquiries were that he and RB were having difficulties and he didn't know the status of the case.

His disability from the VA came through and he went back to Texas.

 

[Cubby]

"Tex" talked openly and honesty about what was going on at the time of Bob's disappearance to a KTLA friend after the show aired. Further inquiries were that he and RB were having difficulties and he didn't know the status of the case.

His disability from the VA came through and he went back to Texas.

Can you expand a little bit with what you mean by "when the show aired"?

thanks.

 

[zwiebel]

Do not tell me it aired and we all missed it. I'll have to do a John MacEnroe if that's the case because........I CANNOT BELIEVE IT!

 

[zwiebel]

Or could that mean when we 'aired' about it here?

 

[Cubby]

The show did not air here yet, zwie. I think charminglane meant when news broke about Bob's case via msm, but will wait for clarification.

 

[charminglane]

Yes, sorry, no McEnroe. That is what I meant, when the story broke.:facepalm:

I just posted on the SAR page: To me the time frame screams bar run. If the SIL needed a drink on his shopping trip to or from Home Depot.

Lot's of time gets wasted when you want to be wasted.