CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #14

[Laughing]

I don't want to argue and didn't link the post re: back problems and the carpet steamer.

I have severe arthritis in my lumbar spine, degenerative disc disease, scoliosis, etc etc etc. Recently, I have knee problems in one knee.

If I follow my home PT program daily, I can indeed clean the carpets.

If I have house guests coming, I am motivated to clean those carpets and so plan ahead to build up strength & avoid small additive stresses.

It was probably a surprise to need to clean the carpets at Bob's house, but a motivated person would find a way. And do their PT the next day!

Laughing

 

[Cubby]

My child's father had a work accident in which a folding lunch table fell on him and broke his back. He was still able to operate a carpet cleaner after the accident, and in fact did side work making extra money cleaning carpets after the accident.

JuM is not as 'handicapped' as she presents herself to be, imo.

 

[Cubby]

A few other questions which have crossed my mind, which I haven't seen brought up previously.

Is it possible either JeM or AH rented a HD van or truck the morning of Bob's disappearance? Can LE trace that to exclude the possibility either one of them, or someone in the family may have rented a van or truck from HD? Especially as they are available to rent by the hour.

Was JeM able to provide receipts for ALL items that went into the home on the day Bob disappeared? If not, is there a way LE could trace when/where they were purchased? I'm thinking along the lines of LE in another case tracking down clothing from Walmart found on a john doe toddler. LE was able to narrow down the local store from which the clothing was purchased as a set and eliminated 2 out of 3 sales. I wonder if the same can be done for the items JeM put in the home the day of Bob's disappearance.

 

[TDW59]

Apologies, my bad. I made a logic error, generalizing from 3 people to all people with those problems.

Sincerely, hats off to those of you who vacuum and clean carpets.
We are replacing all carpet with laminate.

Sorry for the side tracking and misinformation.

T.

 

[Cubby]

Apologies, my bad. I made a logic error, generalizing from 3 people to all people with those problems.

Sincerely, hats off to those of you who vacuum and clean carpets.
We are replacing all carpet with laminate.

Sorry for the side tracking and misinformation.

T.

No need to apologize, I don't think your sharing what has occured with 3 people automatically means you jumped to generalize all people. I thought we were just sharing personal experiences and how they might relate to JuM's specific situation, regardless of whether people can or can not... at least that is how I read and interpreted the posts.... regardless if those experiences were similiar or different. They are still welcome.

 

[believe09]

Apologies, my bad. I made a logic error, generalizing from 3 people to all people with those problems.

Sincerely, hats off to those of you who vacuum and clean carpets.
We are replacing all carpet with laminate.

Sorry for the side tracking and misinformation.

T.

Oh I think you are on the right track in terms of demonstrating the information that "jumps the shark" with JuM.

 

[Laughing]

Oh I think you are on the right track in terms of demonstrating the information that "jumps the shark" with JuM.

and opens another line of questions: did any family member see a doctor or chiropractor, schedule physical therapy or a massage, or renew their Flexeril prescription after Bob disappeared???

I do indeed keep track of the number of PT sessions my insurance carrier will pay for, you bet I count carefully before using that carpet steamer!

If anyone had to use the heavy, bulky machine with repeated twisting & lifting, particularly while upset I'd expect back pain. Is there any trail of treating that overuse injury??? :twocents:


Just changing the sheets doesn't cause me any problems.

 

[TDW59]

That is a REALLY good point!

I haven't been able to find posts that go back that far or I would surely go hunting.

I have very much wanted to know all JuM's prescriptions lately. What they were then, what they are now.

I am still plodding along reading trying to get a sense of this person, a picture of them in my mind.

One thing that remains consistent is her bitterness over "her mother's" things being lost.

 

[Cubby]

I think claiming her mothers things were lost, is another "jumping the shark" example. They got everything on the memorabilia list. Middle daughter RB oversaw loading up and moving those items.

JuM's suggestion or 'leading' people to believe things are missing, is pure bs. It's simply a way for her to divert attention off herself and her immediate family.

She's angry she can't undo the damage done by herself, her husband and her son, and there is really little she can do to divert the attention off of them with so many unanswered questions surrounding their own actions.

She'll continue these 'rants' each and every time she feels the eyes getting a little too close, such as they did when the disappeared show aired. The timing with her tantrums is impeccible. In fact, they are almost predictable, depending on what is coming down the pipeline with regards to her dads disappearance.

 

[zwiebel]

BBM~~~~~~

The daughters did not even want Fontelle to stay in the house. I believe they were hoping she would leave and go back to Missouri right away.

Daughter RB posted the following on a public forum on August 8, 2009:


"Our family wanted to be charitible by allowing Fontelle to temporarily stay in our parents' home, until we know more. The home has to be maintained as a part of OUR parents' family trust. All our Dad's attorney confirmed is that Dad had NOT amended his half of the trust to include his new wife of less than a month."

Bumping Angelo's post because I think an obsessive possessiveness about 'things' has been shown too, as demonstrated in daughter RB's post above. Along with a total unwillingness to acknowledge that Bob could have any sort of life independant of their mother. RB is stressing the 'our' parent's family home, yet her mother had been dead getting on for nearly one and half years by then.

They wanted him preserved in aspic, imo. To stop existing right when their mother did. It's as though they somehow resented Bob for staying alive after his first wife passed and saw it as a kind of abandonment or betrayal of her.

 

[zwiebel]

I think a friendship with a married hairdresser was bad enough, but to actually marry another woman and bring her in to OUR parents' house...........

Bob crossed a line with daughters there, imo. And the poor man had no idea he had done it.

ETA: Or maybe he did. Maybe that's why he didn't let his daughters know about the marriage in advance. But I don't think he could have been aware of the true extent of their resentment. Daughters seemed to keep that well-hidden until Bob disappeared, then it all came rushing out online.

 

[zwiebel]

I just watched all the videos again, of the days immediately following Bob's disappearance. I was trying to see if I could spot a carpet cleaner's vehicle, or a machine in the house. No luck.

But it definitely did look like the house was being aired in the background of one interview with JuM. The back door was wide open. I suppose it could have been to cool the house down, if Bob didn't have air conditioning.

Whatever the reason, there was some really odd behaviour going on the day -and day after - Bob disappeared. Justifications and changing explanations may have followed, but it still sticks out like a sore thumb to me. I don't think I'm alone in that either.

Just wanted to add - if deleted posts and blocked links had the power to bring Bob back, daughters would have had him home long ago. I don't really care about that, but I do hope we have seen the last attempts to stifle or distract public awareness from his missing person status.

 

[Cubby]

I'd be hard pressed to believe Bob doesn't have central a/c and it was pretty humid the day of and the day following Bob's disappearance.

I wonder if the house reeked like Vodka? Maybe near the upstairs bathroom or Bob's bedroom?

Was she trying to dehumidify the house due to carpet cleaning in a closed up house?

Here is the link for the weather in Placentia on July 27, 2009. If you scroll all the way to the bottom you'll see an hourly reading which includes both temperature and humidity levels.

You can also look near the date and use the arrow to view the weather for the following day.

http://www.wunderground.com/history...acentia&req_state=CA&req_statename=California

Certainly doesn't look like the type of weather one turns off the ac and opens the doors and windows for a nice cool breeze throughout the house.

 

[Cubby]

We know from the video of Mrs. Harrod's arrival to CA, there was some street construction on Bob's street in the immediate area of his home.

Is there a way we can find out when that construction work on Carnation began and ended? Was there work being done on Monday the 27th? And if so, have those construction workers been asked if they saw anything suspicious?

Or perhaps, if they were working, LE did speak with them and were able to confirm none of them saw the suspicous black suv?

I'd really love to find the start and finish date of that road construction. Any idea's on how we can find it? Any locals willing to do the research if we can't the start and finish date online?

 

[Angelo]

I think claiming her mothers things were lost, is another "jumping the shark" example. They got everything on the memorabilia list. Middle daughter RB oversaw loading up and moving those items.

JuM's suggestion or 'leading' people to believe things are missing, is pure bs. It's simply a way for her to divert attention off herself and her immediate family.

She's angry she can't undo the damage done by herself, her husband and her son, and there is really little she can do to divert the attention off of them with so many unanswered questions surrounding their own actions.

She'll continue these 'rants' each and every time she feels the eyes getting a little too close, such as they did when the disappeared show aired. The timing with her tantrums is impeccible. In fact, they are almost predictable, depending on what is coming down the pipeline with regards to her dads disappearance.

:goodpost:


So true.

 

[Angelo]

I think a friendship with a married hairdresser was bad enough, but to actually marry another woman and bring her in to OUR parents' house...........

Bob crossed a line with daughters there, imo. And the poor man had no idea he had done it.

ETA: Or maybe he did. Maybe that's why he didn't let his daughters know about the marriage in advance. But I don't think he could have been aware of the true extent of their resentment. Daughters seemed to keep that well-hidden until Bob disappeared, then it all came rushing out online.

BBM~~~

Yes, I agree.

Remember on another forum some of the posters called Georgia " the REAL Mrs. Harrod"? Daughter PB posted back.


8/19/2010 PB:
Thank you so very much for the Birthday wishes for the 'REAL' Mrs. Harrod and she was such a character and loved everybody and was quite entertaining. She was our Mom and a very special lady and our Dad obviously saw a lot in her for them to have stay married for so many years.


Thanks again.

 

[TDW59]

She's angry she can't undo the damage done by herself, her husband and her son, and there is really little she can do to divert the attention off of them with so many unanswered questions surrounding their own actions.

Bumping Angelo's post because I think an obsessive possessiveness about 'things' has been shown too, as demonstrated in daughter RB's post above. Along with a total unwillingness to acknowledge that Bob could have any sort of life independant of their mother. RB is stressing the 'our' parent's family home, yet her mother had been dead getting on for nearly one and half years by then.

They wanted him preserved in aspic, imo. To stop existing right when their mother did. It's as though they somehow resented Bob for staying alive after his first wife passed and saw it as a kind of abandonment or betrayal of her.


Bob crossed a line with daughters there, imo. And the poor man had no idea he had done it.

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yes, yes, & yes.

I did not see a reaction to the tv program..must have been in the wrong thread because I was really looking for it & the lead up to it.

I still find the motive as Fontelle difficult to digest; unless I combine it with the money irregularities of ARH. That is a secret his parents would urgently want to bury & reason for the other 2 daughters to want control of the trust, estate and assets.

Why not wait and disappear Fontelle instead?

Just pondering..and without my morning coffee yet! oh my!

btw, I have never heard the phrase "jumping the shark" before.

and fwiw, I noticed furbabies is misspelled in the tags.

 

[zwiebel]

That shows a complete disregard for Bob's wishes - no, his actions! He married Fontelle, legally and properly. She was then and is now the only real Mrs Harrod, because Georgia has passed.

Again, it seems that post is somehow blaming Bob for still being alive when the first Mrs Harrod was not. It's very disturbing.

 

[Angelo]

August 22, 2009

Daughter RB:

Did someone say polygraph again? Me first, me first, I wanna do it!

I don't think PPD has the resources but would be glad to see EVERYBODY have a polygraph! Yes indeed!

Posted by CA Exile (Mr. Harrod's former neighbor) on WS:

I just talked to Fontelle on the phone. She is holding up considering the circumstances. She is still living in Bob's house as is her right. She and Bob's daughters are still at war. They want her out and she wants her rights as a widow. Also, there is a lot of suspicion about the case. No proof, but the daughters have apparently been uncooperative. There could be several reasons for this. They may just be tired and want to get on with their lives. Or, something worse. Some took lie detector tests, some did not. They are trying to settle his estate and trusts. Hopefully, all of this can go to court and decisions can be made. Until then, no one will be at peace.

"Bob Harrod's newlywed wife, Fontelle Harrod, said late last year that police were giving polygraph tests to family members and those close to Bob Harrod."


"Loomis confirmed that police were using a lie-detector test, but would not disclose publicly the results or to whom the tests would be administered."

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/harrod-232302-bob-police.html

Any bets on who took the polygraphs and who refused?

 

[zwiebel]

She's angry she can't undo the damage done by herself, her husband and her son, and there is really little she can do to divert the attention off of them with so many unanswered questions surrounding their own actions.

Bumping Angelo's post because I think an obsessive possessiveness about 'things' has been shown too, as demonstrated in daughter RB's post above. Along with a total unwillingness to acknowledge that Bob could have any sort of life independant of their mother. RB is stressing the 'our' parent's family home, yet her mother had been dead getting on for nearly one and half years by then.

They wanted him preserved in aspic, imo. To stop existing right when their mother did. It's as though they somehow resented Bob for staying alive after his first wife passed and saw it as a kind of abandonment or betrayal of her.


Bob crossed a line with daughters there, imo. And the poor man had no idea he had done it.

**********snipped***********

yes, yes, & yes.

I did not see a reaction to the tv program..must have been in the wrong thread because I was really looking for it & the lead up to it.

I still find the motive as Fontelle difficult to digest; unless I combine it with the money irregularities of ARH. That is a secret his parents would urgently want to bury & reason for the other 2 daughters to want control of the trust, estate and assets.

Why not wait and disappear Fontelle instead?

Just pondering..and without my morning coffee yet! oh my!

btw, I have never heard the phrase "jumping the shark" before.

and fwiw, I noticed furbabies is misspelled in the tags.

I think that jumping the shark phrase is from a US TV show? The Fonz? I'm not sure if I've got the title right but I know it was very popular in England too, back in the 70s and 80s. As with many series, it went downhill at the end and culminated in the Fonz jumping over a shark on a surfboard or something, which stretched things too far and signalled the end of the show.

I've never managed to see that episode.