CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #15

[shana]

FWIW, up until a few months ago I had a standard subscriber line with no features and no long distance. It's not something the phone company advertised or even offered to people but it is available if you ask. Even with taxes and fees, it's about $20 cheaper than their advertised basic service. I wouldn't be surprised if our frugal friend Bob did ask

I wouldn't be surprised either. My frugal father did not elect to pay verizon for any extra features whatsoever (although to his credit, he did permit a 2nd line for Mom's computer, back in the days of dial-up).

I still have 2 land lines (required for certain services at my home). I've never added any additional features such as Call Waiting, Call Forwarding, or Caller ID to either one of them. The bill for POTS is high enough! <g>

 

[MaryNo]

Emotionally, I have a tough time putting him at Bob's that day, but if he was there, then he was. I gave up looking for this information when it began to feel more like pulling teeth than research.

I would love to remove his name from my list of possibilities. I wish there was a way to get that information.

As far as I know, we have never had any information about where AH was the Monday Bob went missing, up until he appeared at the house around 9.30pm that night for the welfare check.

 

[shana]

I believe the CL asked for the change of work day and Bob agreed.

Also, I believe PB spoke to Bob that morning on the phone and overheard her BIL in the background saying he was leaving for the hardware store. She did not speak to JeM herself.

fwiw/jmo

 

[TDW59]

It is my personal conviction that SIL made one and only one trip to HD that day.

Mary, I know it is irrational, but I have a hard time placing ARH at Bob's that day too tho I have no problem placing him right in the middle of the mess, dishonest and the one person who is guilty of "elder abuse."

 

[tamild]

Random question...does CL drive? NOT an accusation at all, just wondering what route she would take to Bob's house and if she normally drove herself, was dropped off, walked, or took public transportation.

 

[MaryNo]

Respectfully BBM

This is correct, according to Paula. My post above is incorrect. I'll have to figure out how to edit that.

Thank you :rose:

I believe the CL asked for the change of work day and Bob agreed.

Also, I believe PB spoke to Bob that morning on the phone and overheard her BIL in the background saying he was leaving for the hardware store. She did not speak to JeM herself.

fwiw/jmo

 

[zwiebel]

MaryNo, I was just thinking it would be nice to have your timeline in the timeline and media links thread. Maybe you could quote yourself, copy it and then put it in that thread with any corrections? It's here:
CA CA - Bob Harrod, Time Line and Media Links only - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


I think the only way to correct the post on this thread would be to ask a mod now though.

 

[MaryNo]

Many mail carriers are respectful of elderly people, and will hand them their mail if they see them outside in the yard, or at the top of stairs in high rises.

I've wondered so many times, if Bob was outside piddling around in the yard while Jeff was gone, if the mail carrier had handed Bob his mail that day. Or he just stepped outside of the door for a breather, and the carrier handed the mail to him.

It would go to the timeline. Someone neutral witnessing Bob being at his home at whatever time the mail carrier arrived that day, that sort of thing.

Was there mail in the box when Agnes looked for the key? Did Bob receive mail that day, and if so, was it brought into the house? Was it sorted? Anything that might give a picture of how the day flowed.

I've wanted to ask CA Exile this question, but I don't think he posts here any longer.

Yes, most assuredly!

Even if I think I know when the mail delivery will occur at my home in SoCA, it varies from day-to-day, one month to the next, and over all the years too.

Just in the past 2 years, it used to be late afternoon (one parameter)...lately more around noonish (second parameter)...and prior to that, early morning (yet another param).

I'm not sure that the time could be discerned with any certainty, although perhaps others on the street (if asked back then) could have given parameters within, say, a 2-hr time span.

Just curious...why do you ask?

jmo

 

[SuziQ]

In regards to getting a married...Me thinks a lot of people out there think they are married when they actually are not!

Even in Vegas you need both the application and marriage validated by a qualified person.

 

[SuziQ]

Also, in my County the application for a license expires in 30 days if it is not signed and returned by qualified persons. The license is just a meaningless scrap of paper after that and signifies nothing.

 

[MaryNo]

Just posted it there.

Thanks for the idea! :rose:

MaryNo, I was just thinking it would be nice to have your timeline in the timeline and media links thread. Maybe you could quote yourself, copy it and then put it in that thread with any corrections? It's here:
CA CA - Bob Harrod, Time Line and Media Links only - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community


I think the only way to correct the post on this thread would be to ask a mod now though.

 

[zwiebel]

BBM

In regards to getting a married...Me thinks a lot of people out there think they are married when they actually are not!

Even in Vegas you need both the application and marriage validated by a qualified person.

Good heavens. I bet that could lead to some complications.

 

[bourne]

The floating timeline:

Police said Fontelle last spoke with Bob Sunday night.

Jeff states he arrived at around 9:30. So, by reasoning, Agnes either spoke with Bob very early Monday morning, or before Monday (Disappeared) She states Bob asked her to come Monday, instead of Tuesday, and that Jeff IS coming - not Jeff is here.

There's a call at 10:00. By deduction, it was neither Agnes, or Fontelle.

Tuesday, Julie posts on Rim Of The World that her father is missing. He's been missing for 28 hours. That puts Bob as having gone missing at 10:00 Monday morning, which is shortly after Jeff arrived at Bob's house.

BUT, Paula corrects her phone call timeline to 11:45 due to her number showing up private - she knows that's her call on the caller ID or phone records. She says that Bob responds favorably. She called her father's house phone, Jeff answers, she speaks to Jeff - not Bob, and never speaks to Bob about whatever matter she called to discuss.

So, possibly Julie is wrong about what time Bob goes missing, because Paula can prove when she called - up to the individual as to whether or not it's believable that she heard Bob in the background. One would imagine that there would have been some kind of discussion about this when talking to police, or discussing where Bob could have possibly gone, and when. It doesn't appear that they communicated well on this issue.

At some time Jeff goes to CVS, and Home Depot. Possibly, he made both trips before 11:45, and after 10:00. Which would leave 11:45 - 2:40 pm for Bob to disappear.

Jeff made a second trip to Home Depot, stating he left approx. 2:40 pm, returning to Bob's approx. 3:30. Bob was gone.

However, the police flyer states Bob was last seen at 11:00 (before Paula called - she first stated she called at 11:30, change it to 11:45, but both times are after the 11:00 time on flyer), and that Jeff arrived from the hardware store at 1:00 pm, and Bob was gone.
http://placentia.org/index.aspx?NID=129 and http://placentia.org/DocumentCenter/Home/View/102

Agnes arrives 15 mins. or so before Jeff gets back from a Home Depot visit. Which visit is being discussed? Is this the first visit? Or the second? If we go by the police flyer, we assume she got there between 12 and 1:00. A link to a good source clarifying this would be great! "Disappeared" states she arrived around noon, which would tend to lean towards her arrival occurring during the 1st Home Depot visit.

If it is the second trip, we assume she arrived between 2:40 and 3:30. There is sort of a blurring of the story for me at this juncture. I can't find anything that proves which Home Depot visit it is that's being discussed. We have learned that Jeff is telling the truth about the time of his 2nd Home Depot visit, because he has the receipt proving his statement.

"Disappeared" Rad. states there are gaps of time in which something could have happened.

Jeff states he locked up the house, and left at 6:00 pm.
http://www.ocregister.com/news/-214111--.html

Excellent post! Exactly what we need here. The timeline for Bob and the POIs

BBM. Who called Bob at 10am Monday? You posted that by deduction it was not Agnes or Fontelle. And from what I recall, Paula called Bob at 11:40am Mon but it was "unlisted" in Bob's phone records.

Do we have CL Agnes' statement of when she arrived at Bob's home? I'd trust her over the SIL Jeff.

B&RBM I find the precision of time given by Julie very startling and intriguing: she stated "28 hours" since Bob went missing. Do you have a copy of her post and the time she posted it? Her reference to the precise time is very very HINKY. How could she be so certain that Bob went missing around 10am? Did she call him at that time and ascertain with her sisters and other family members including her hubby Jeff that that was the last time they spoke with Bob?

That is just TOO WEIRD. Since by Jeff's own admission, he didn't leave for Home Depot until at noon or later. So that would mean Jeff himself was at Bob's home and had seen him before noon, correct? So why would Julie assert that her own dad Bob disappeared at 10am Mon and not later in the day? VERY VERY HINKY...It's as if she KNOWS...

Hmm...things that make you go hmmm....

 

[Cubby]

Authorities are asking anyone with information
about Harrod's disappearance to contact
detective Dave Radomski at 714-993-8176,
or contact the homicide hotline at 714-993-8166.

 

[bourne]

Many mail carriers are respectful of elderly people, and will hand them their mail if they see them outside in the yard, or at the top of stairs in high rises.

I've wondered so many times, if Bob was outside piddling around in the yard while Jeff was gone, if the mail carrier had handed Bob his mail that day. Or he just stepped outside of the door for a breather, and the carrier handed the mail to him.

It would go to the timeline. Someone neutral witnessing Bob being at his home at whatever time the mail carrier arrived that day, that sort of thing.

Was there mail in the box when Agnes looked for the key? Did Bob receive mail that day, and if so, was it brought into the house? Was it sorted? Anything that might give a picture of how the day flowed.

I've wanted to ask CA Exile this question, but I don't think he posts here any longer.

You're on a roll, MaryNo!

This would have been a great way for LE to verify WHEN exactly Bob was still alive had they sought out the mail carrier. The mail carrier would be a fantastic independent witness to a sighting of Bob on the last day he was claimed to have disappeared.

We live in close-knit communities and sometimes I'd chat with my USPS mail carrier whom I know by his first name (and FEDEX, UPS, etc.) when I'm not pressed for time. You're right. Oftentimes when he sees me entering/exiting the house, he'd quickly give me my mail by hand instead of stuffing it in the mailbox.

I'd be very surprised if that weren't the case with Bob and his mail carrier.

 

[Cubby]

For those new or newer to Bob's case, here is the link to the thread which contains the court documents.

CA CA - Bob Harrod-Court Documents No discussion - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community




Orange County CA Court records can be looked up here:

http://www.occourts.org/online-services/case-access/

 

[zwiebel]

BBM

Excellent post! Exactly what we need here. The timeline for Bob and the POIs

BBM. Who called Bob at 10am Monday? You posted that by deduction it was not Agnes or Fontelle. And from what I recall, Paula called Bob at 11:40am Mon but it was "unlisted" in Bob's phone records.

Do we have CL Agnes' statement of when she arrived at Bob's home? I'd trust her over the SIL Jeff.

B&RBM I find the precision of time given by Julie very startling and intriguing: she stated "28 hours" since Bob went missing. Do you have a copy of her post and the time she posted it? Her reference to the precise time is very very HINKY. How could she be so certain that Bob went missing around 10am? Did she call him at that time and ascertain with her sisters and other family members including her hubby Jeff that that was the last time they spoke with Bob?

That is just TOO WEIRD. Since by Jeff's own admission, he didn't leave for Home Depot until at noon or later. So that would mean Jeff himself was at Bob's home and had seen him before noon, correct? So why would Julie assert that her own dad Bob disappeared at 10am Mon and not later in the day? VERY VERY HINKY...It's as if she KNOWS...

Hmm...things that make you go hmmm....

I believe the day Mrs Harrod returned to MO, daughter JuM filed her second report of elder abuse regarding her father. We did speculate that the 10 am call on Monay 27th could have been OC social services telling Bob they would be arriving the next day to check on him (which they did, though he'd already disappeared by then of course).

It made me wonder if Bob got the call, was furious and 'vented' on the only other person in his house at the time - his son-in-law.

 

[Cubby]

BBM


I believe the day Mrs Harrod returned to MO, daughter JuM filed her second report of elder abuse regarding her father. We did speculate that the 10 am call on Monay 27th could have been OC social services telling Bob they would be arriving the next day to check on him (which they did, though he'd already disappeared by then of course).

It made me wonder if Bob got the call, was furious and 'vented' on the only other person in his house at the time - his son-in-law.

IIRC, one of the daughters made the second report of elder abuse due to Bob marrying Fontelle. I think it was shortly after the marriage.

It was the day of Mrs. Harrod's return to MO that the elder abuse social worker showed up for the second time to find Bob already missing.

I have always suspected an argument ensued with Bob venting to Jeff the morning of his disappearance leading Jeff to go apechit on Bob causing the damage in the home leading to additional repairs not on the original repair list.

IMO, Jeff knows where Bob is.

 

[Cubby]

While I think Bob was removed from the house incapacitated, if I were to consider a way Bob might have been lured out of the house, perhaps JeM offered to take him to the bank to make those changes adding Fontelle onto his accounts. Except instead of taking Bob to the bank, he took him somewhere else and disposed of him, either to die in the elements or harming him just prior to dumping him somewhere.

That seems like the most logical reason he could be lured out of the house easily.

 

[Cubby]

Originally posted by Angelo:

Daughter JuM posted on a forum on July 28, 2009 at 1:50PM :

I need to request positive thoughts and prayers. My father has been missing approx. 28 hours ago. We suspect foul play, but want to remain as positive; his new wife will be arriving with her belongings tomorrow. My father's name is Robert Harrod in Placentia; his new wife Fontelle Heeter-Harrod is just besides herself, please pray for his safe return.


JuM was saying the day after Mr. Harrod's disappearance that he went missing around 10am.

http://rimoftheworld.net/discuss/166/53721?page=0

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