CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #15

[TDW59]

http://www.manta.com/cs/mttfrrl/har...00513454314247386359:arvxicegnim&cof=FORID:10

 

[TDW59]

I wonder why AH would have called Mrs Harrod's attorney looking for a criminal atty referral? :waitasec:

temporary insanity???? :facepalm:

oops, snarky.

identity theft or accessory to murder?

He is listed as having a home based business at the time.

 

[Cubby]

Our AH has the initials ARH. The person mentioned in the post above is a different AH than our AH.

Since it is not the correct person, I am going to ask the mods to remove the post.

 

[TDW59]

Project Jason:
http://projectjason.org/forums/index.php?topic=6671.0

needs updated...recent ID program especially but it won't let me register?

 

[TDW59]

sorry for the wrong info..not what we need.
good catch, Cubby!
Thanks for removing it.

(maybe I need more coffee?)

 

[bourne]

I happen to have those documents printed out and at hand. (never did finish transcribing the whole thing) and I can verify that Trish was a signatory. It's blacked out but knowing what I am looking for, yes, it's clear that it is her.

Personally I don't think AH had any direct involvement in Bob's disappearance.
However he is in the position of laying low and not asking any questions.
Sure would like to see that confidential agreement!

I do think AH's activities with grandpa's monies are part of the multi-layered motives.

Tell his wife? nah, he doesn't remember a thing.

The deposition never made it into court. No judge ever saw it.

http://www.mylife.com/l-trisha-harrod-e352930530456

She doesn't claim Placentia as ever being her home.

Why do you think AH was not involved?

I believe strongly that AH's wife, like most financially equal partner wives as suggested by the fact that she was a signatory on their loans, would ask a lot of questions when suddenly her spouse assumes loans are forgiven -- especially after a mysterious, hinky disappearance of the lender (Bob).

If AH had a hand in Bob's disappearance and my gut instinct tells me he definitely, unequivocally does, then his cosignor wife would at the very minimum have suspicions about how AH came to believe their loans are so abruptly forgiven -- particularly because AH had quickly jumped to the foregone conclusion that Bob is dead when Bob's body has not been found yet. I would say 99.99% AH is involved in causing Bob's disappearance. I'd like to know what his alibi for the whole Monday was.

Additionally, the fact that AH so quickly sought/requested a CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYER, means that he himself felt he was a good suspect for something...

 

[zwiebel]

sorry for the wrong info..not what we need.
good catch, Cubby!
Thanks for removing it.

(maybe I need more coffee?)

Here's another one to make up for it, with some old interviews.

http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Andrew-Harrod/403617360

 

[zwiebel]

Why do you think AH was not involved?

I believe strongly that AH's wife, like most financially equal partner wives as suggested by the fact that she was a signatory on their loans, would ask a lot of questions when suddenly her spouse assumes loans are forgiven -- especially after a mysterious, hinky disappearance of the lender (Bob).

If AH had a hand in Bob's disappearance and my gut instinct tells me he definitely, unequivocally does, then his cosignor wife would at the very minimum have suspicions about how AH came to believe their loans are so abruptly forgiven -- particularly because AH had quickly jumped to the foregone conclusion that Bob is dead when Bob's body has not been found yet. I would say 99.99% AH is involved in causing Bob's disappearance. I'd like to know what his alibi for the whole Monday was.

Additionally, the fact that AH so quickly sought/requested a CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYER, means that he himself felt he was a good suspect for something...

At first I took his enquiry about a lawyer to Fontelle's lawyer exactly at face value. I thought maybe he was just a little naive, with no idea there would be a conflict of interest and a lawyer couldn't possibly represent Fontelle and AH. Since then though, I have come to the conclusion AH is definitely not naive.

So now, I do think it's possible the enquiry was a fairly inept attempt to get Fontelle's lawyer to breach client confidentiality and give some info away. Or provide a clue to AH about if he should tell all he knew or keep silent.

 

[zwiebel]

BBM

I agree, AH's wife, if she is listed as a co-signer in the loans, she should have been at the deposition along with AH. I don't think she can be compelled to testify against him per se, but she can definitely testify to what she herself knows about the loans and repayment schedule/termination stipulations (including whether she also thought that upon Bob Harrod's death, all debts resulting their loans with him would be forgiven) and such. Hmm...

Correct me if I'm wrong but the only grandchildren Bob has is from AH's marriage?

Correct.

ETA: No it isn't. See post below.

 

[zwiebel]

No, what am I talking about? They are great grandchildren, surely? AH is the grandkid.

 

[bourne]

At first I took his enquiry about a lawyer to Fontelle's lawyer exactly at face value. I thought maybe he was just a little naive, with no idea there would be a conflict of interest and a lawyer couldn't possibly represent Fontelle and AH. Since then though, I have come to the conclusion AH is definitely not naive.

So now, I do think it's possible the enquiry was a fairly inept attempt to get Fontelle's lawyer to breach client confidentiality and give some info away. Or provide a clue to AH about if he should tell all he knew or keep silent.

Yep, I don't think AH is naive at all. He appears to be very sophisticated in his manipulations of the law regarding the forgiveness of a debt upon Bob's disappearance, and from what I can gather from his previous criminal records of theft, he is not a green pimply-faced newbie. I also see his alteration of his name by adding the entire Robert Harrod to his name as a deceptive means to a financial end. I would bet that he HAD signed checks or opened fraudulent accounts in Bob's full name or that he WAS IN THE PROCESS of doing so.

Any way I see it, AH is a sophisticated, and technically savvy criminal. I won't put anything past him. Certainly not the disappearance of his granddad Bob.

 

[bourne]

No, what am I talking about? They are great grandchildren, surely? AH is the grandkid.

So this means that RB, PB and the youngest daughter JuM do not have any children then?

The reason I ask is that grandchildren and great-grandchildren tend to be spoiled by the grandparents, sometimes to compensate for the frugality and strictness of parents.

It definitely appears that Bob held a special fondness for his grandson AH, and by extension, likely held great fondness for AH's kids too. I think that the trust and love Bob had for AH is singularly exceptional in that Bob did not feel the same way towards his own daughters. Plus the fact that AH is a boy which made him doubly special to Bob since Bob and his previous wife Georgia had all girls. Bob likely spoiled AH throughout AH's life and likely overlooked his crimes as minor indiscretions of a wild boy.

I believe it is this very sacred trust that AH took advantage of the day Bob mysteriously disappeared. I believe AH had physically lured Bob out of his home. Maybe "lured" is not even the appropriate word. AH might simply have requested Bob's help and Bob willingly did so because of his deep trust and affection for AH.

AH likely gotten Bob out of the house, drove Bob somewhere, and then did Bob harm. I do not believe Bob trusted any of his daughters enough to have simply left his home with any one of them. I don't know Bob's relationship with JeM but my feeling is that Bob didn't have a tight bond with him as Bob had with AH, particularly since from what I recall, Bob left money for AH and the great grandchildren in his will but not for JeM.

 

[shana]

Andrew is the son of JuM and JeM. He is Mr Harrod's only grandchild.

Also, please note from his depo that AH asked for a reference to an attorney, not a criminal attorney.

~jmo~

 

[zwiebel]

I'm not 100 per cent, but it's looking to me like all the husbands of daughters were vets like Bob, except for youngest daughter's husband. The son-in-law who was the last known person to have seen Bob.

I wonder if he always had to work harder to gain Bob's approval? I wonder if Bob approved of his 'prospects' when he married JuM. Old-fashioned, I know. But I think Bob was an 'old school' type of guy. I think he would have looked for prospects in potential spouses for his daughters.

 

[believe09]

I'm not 100 per cent, but it's looking to me like all the husbands of daughters were vets like Bob, except for youngest daughter's husband. The son-in-law who was the last known person to have seen Bob.

I wonder if he always had to work harder to gain Bob's approval? I wonder if Bob approved of his 'prospects' when he married JuM. Old-fashioned, I know. But I think Bob was an 'old school' type of guy. I think he would have looked for prospects in potential spouses for his daughters.

I have wondered this as well, zwiebel. Let me see if I can dig up some old ROTW posts...I could have sworn that JuM claimed JeM was a draft dodger who beat up the FBI or something like that.

 

[deca]

Yes, I would like to know if AH was the beloved spoiled rotten grandchild of the Harrod's.

I have noticed that it really depends...my grandparents were about 10 years older than Bob... they were poor growing up and although they loved us grandkids they didn't believe in spoiling them with money, toys, or to0 much attention. All those things were considered wasteful. They DID give us money for schoolbooks or tuition, though.

On the other hand, my friend's grandparents went to all the school functions, took them on trips, gave them lavish gifts, passed them a $20 every time they came to visit, etc.

Why am i talking about this? I think that IF Bob was more of the lavishly giving grandparent who spoiled AH, I think that it is less likely that AH's actions of stopping payment on the loan are suspcious. If that was the case, he was raised to take and take and take from B and G without a care.

So, it would be really nice if someone who grew up with AH or were family friends of the Harrod's could shed some light on how AH was treated.

 

[Cubby]

Yes, I would like to know if AH was the beloved spoiled rotten grandchild of the Harrod's.

I have noticed that it really depends...my grandparents were about 10 years older than Bob... they were poor growing up and although they loved us grandkids they didn't believe in spoiling them with money, toys, or to0 much attention. All those things were considered wasteful. They DID give us money for schoolbooks or tuition, though.

On the other hand, my friend's grandparents went to all the school functions, took them on trips, gave them lavish gifts, passed them a $20 every time they came to visit, etc.

Why am i talking about this? I think that IF Bob was more of the lavishly giving grandparent who spoiled AH, I think that it is less likely that AH's actions of stopping payment on the loan are suspcious. If that was the case, he was raised to take and take and take from B and G without a care.

So, it would be really nice if someone who grew up with AH or were family friends of the Harrod's could shed some light on how AH was treated.

I'd love to hear from someone who grew up with AH too.

My impression is that it was probably Georgia who did the spoiling you describe due to her losing her father at a young age. At least that is something I have wondered about.

And based on JuM's posts on ROTW about Bob not even acknowledging her son and his children, along with some other posts of hers, it quite apparent she felt AH and his kids were entitled. In fact, like they were owed Bob's wealth because it was a God given birth right and there was no thought or consideration whatsoever to Bob enjoying his own money.

I thought about it yesterday, Bob's daughters make George and Cindy Anthony look like saints.
Dark, evil people.

 

[tamild]

Yep, I don't think AH is naive at all. He appears to be very sophisticated in his manipulations of the law regarding the forgiveness of a debt upon Bob's disappearance, and from what I can gather from his previous criminal records of theft, he is not a green pimply-faced newbie. I also see his alteration of his name by adding the entire Robert Harrod to his name as a deceptive means to a financial end. I would bet that he HAD signed checks or opened fraudulent accounts in Bob's full name or that he WAS IN THE PROCESS of doing so.

Any way I see it, AH is a sophisticated, and technically savvy criminal. I won't put anything past him. Certainly not the disappearance of his granddad Bob.

BBM

Can someone point me to where I can find this? All I've found is a speeding ticket and a petty charge involving trash receptacles.

 

[TDW59]

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Yep, I don't think AH is naive at all. He appears to be very sophisticated in his manipulations of the law regarding the forgiveness of a debt upon Bob's disappearance, and from what I can gather from his previous criminal records of theft, he is not a green pimply-faced newbie. I also see his alteration of his name by adding the entire Robert Harrod to his name as a deceptive means to a financial end. I would bet that he HAD signed checks or opened fraudulent accounts in Bob's full name or that he WAS IN THE PROCESS of doing so.

I have been very convinced of this much. That is why I was transcribing the deposition. I don't pay to do searches so I was not aware of criminal theft in the past. Could you expand upon that?

I would need some time to think about and gather my thoughts and impressions on why I do not think ARH is responsible for Bob's disappearance.

If I am wrong, so be it. I just want Bob's case solved before he is declared deceased...and also hope that he will be found.

 

[bourne]

Yes, I would like to know if AH was the beloved spoiled rotten grandchild of the Harrod's.

I have noticed that it really depends...my grandparents were about 10 years older than Bob... they were poor growing up and although they loved us grandkids they didn't believe in spoiling them with money, toys, or to0 much attention. All those things were considered wasteful. They DID give us money for schoolbooks or tuition, though.

On the other hand, my friend's grandparents went to all the school functions, took them on trips, gave them lavish gifts, passed them a $20 every time they came to visit, etc.

Why am i talking about this? I think that IF Bob was more of the lavishly giving grandparent who spoiled AH, I think that it is less likely that AH's actions of stopping payment on the loan are suspcious. If that was the case, he was raised to take and take and take from B and G without a care.

So, it would be really nice if someone who grew up with AH or were family friends of the Harrod's could shed some light on how AH was treated.

BBM It's not his termination of payment itself which makes AH's actions suspicious, but the statements he himself made about his MOTIVATION for ceasing payments in the deposition with Fontelle Harrod and her lawyer that make AH suspicious.

AH outright stated that he believed that upon Bob Harrod's DEATH, the loans he made with Bob were forgiven. This is significant because AH stopped his scheduled loan repayments to Bob A FEW DAYS after Bob went missing. This means AH believed Bob was already DEAD within A FEW DAYS of Bob's disappearance. Why would AH believe that Bob is DEAD unless he knew something we don't? Most people in AH's position as a family member of Bob's would have at least waited for a COMPLETE INVESTIGATION by LE before making such firm, definitive conclusions about their own grandfather. The fact that AH LEAPED SO QUICKLY to this foregone "death" conclusion about Bob is highly suspect.