CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #17

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  • #881
There's a huge search effort for missing OC teenager Bryce Laspisa this weekend, with Klaaskids. Volunteers still walking the mountains of San B for Alois Krost. Shameca Johnson's case saw her friends parking their bottoms on the sidewalk, waiting to be interviewed about their missing friend.

I am very, very glad for all the help extended by all these people to help bring the missing home, I really am.

But everytime I see it, my heart breaks a little bit more for Bob and Fontelle. Two very senior seniors, one missing, one waiting. And they've had very little help at all. I wish there could be a big, public search for Bob, made up of volunteers.

I think there are a few people directly responsible for making the public feel it's either impossible to search for Bob, or it's futile. There must be a way of narrowing down who has done this, and how, and why.
 
  • #882
There's a huge search effort for missing OC teenager Bryce Laspisa this weekend, with Klaaskids. Volunteers still walking the mountains of San B for Alois Krost. Shameca Johnson's case saw her friends parking their bottoms on the sidewalk, waiting to be interviewed about their missing friend.

I am very, very glad for all the help extended by all these people to help bring the missing home, I really am.

But everytime I see it, my heart breaks a little bit more for Bob and Fontelle. Two very senior seniors, one missing, one waiting. And they've had very little help at all. I wish there could be a big, public search for Bob, made up of volunteers.

I think there are a few people directly responsible for making the public feel it's either impossible to search for Bob, or it's futile. There must be a way of narrowing down who has done this, and how, and why.

BBM

In the vast majority of missing persons cases, there is little or no media attention. There are various reasons why but it comes down to a combination of Pretty White Girl or Woman syndrome and a form of classism that is pervasive in the US.

It has been shown that the media disproportionately gives coverage to white people, particularly girls or women. I recall an article that I read during the Scott Peterson trial that showed that while the whole nation was riveted to Laci Peterson, there was a black mother of two whose story was otherwise very similar to Laci's life who was getting zilch coverage.

Likewise, the wealthier the victim or the victim's family, the more likely they are to get media attention. For one thing, people who speak in an educated manner are more likely to get TV news coverage than someone with a backwoods accent or a hick twang (which is very much associated with class). Wealthy families are more likely to do the sort of expensive but attention getting gestures that really play well with the media (offering a reward, paying for search aircraft, etc).

The thing that is puzzling to me in Bob's case is that when he disappeared the family had already vaulted the media barrier. The media were already interested in him! The family wouldn't have needed to campaign and beg for TV cameras, the local media was already on it. And of course Bob was wealthy and his descendants were solidly middle class with enough education to make a good impression on camera.

The problem with public searches is that no one has ever organised one. People who are likely to volunteer for a search don't usually just spontaneously go out and search (and they should not, for various reasons). Every search I've ever read or been involved in had someone with standing as the organiser. Sometimes LE, sometimes a family member.

So in order to stop public searches, all the family had to do was do nothing. Placentia itself is completely urban, so if Bob was in Placentia, he would have been found. So the PPD wouldn't be organising searches, their jurisdiction ends at the town borders. What is needed is searches of the wildland areas outside Placentia.

It's so easy for the family just to do nothing.
 
  • #883
You're exactly right, of course. It's depressing.

Not as depressing as it must be to know there are loads of people out there, asking themselves why you are not searching for your missing family member. Maybe thinking it silently, as they pass you in the street or the store, or even meet you for coffee?

That would give me the heebie jeebies. I couldn't stand it. I'd have to lock myself inside the house and hide (falling down or not).
 
  • #884
I am thinking of that old forum I came across - world politics or technical stuff or something? And right in the middle of it, totally out of place, someone had posted about Bob and Fontelle getting married, because they were so touched by it. Another poster had replied how nice it was.

They'd never realized what happened to Bob. :(

I suppose we could offer opinions on any reasons that have been offered why Bob could not be searched for. I have seen a few. What does anyone think of this?

"Let the police deal with it. That's their job."
 
  • #885
You're exactly right, of course. It's depressing.

Not as depressing as it must be to know there are loads of people out there, asking themselves why you are not searching for your missing family member. Maybe thinking it silently, as they pass you in the street or the store, or even meet you for coffee?

That would give me the heebie jeebies. I couldn't stand it. I'd have to lock myself inside the house and hide (falling down or not).

That's the essential difference between you and a deliberate murderer: you have an ingrained sense of the social contract. The social contract that says "if you are not a threat to me, I will not be a threat to you."

Tangential: I think this violation of the social contract is why women being groped in a crowded area feel both enraged and frightened. They are holding up their part of the social contract and whoever groped them is violating it. And doing so in such a way that they cannot be clearly identified and avoided. If someone violates the social contract in one way, what might that person do given the opportunity to do so undetected?

On the part of those who do deliberately break the social contract, I think there is often a sense of entitlement. They minimise the amount of harm they cause and they rationalise that if they aren't exposed, then it must not be a truly harmful thing to do. When they encounter consequences, such as a woman who grabs the hand of a groper, holds it up and asks very loudly "WHO BELONGS TO THIS GROPING HAND?" their reaction is often more outrage than shame. How dare she reveal them in such a way, in a way that implies they were doing something wrong?

Such transgressors do not want to uphold the social contract but they do not want to suffer the consequences of being seen not to do so.
 
  • #886
I am thinking of that old forum I came across - world politics or technical stuff or something? And right in the middle of it, totally out of place, someone had posted about Bob and Fontelle getting married, because they were so touched by it. Another poster had replied how nice it was.

They'd never realized what happened to Bob. :(

I suppose we could offer opinions on any reasons that have been offered why Bob could not be searched for. I have seen a few. What does anyone think of this?

"Let the police deal with it. That's their job."

In a way, I'm glad the people of that forum never found out the rest of the story. It is doubtful that any of them could change the outcome and it would only add another drop of sadness to their world.

I wonder if there may be one or more people connected to the case who are saying "LE told us that searches would probably do no good and might endanger the case."
 
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Yipee! Thank you! That attracts new interest every time.
 
  • #889
It's taken me more than a year to notice - but in the news videos spanning the days between the Monday Bob disappeared and the Wednesday when Fontelle returned, Bob's vehicle disappears from the drive at some point.

The reason I never noticed before was because I am useless where cars are concerned, and always thought the grey one was his and the white one was JuM's. I'll go off and try and get the links to work out exactly when the vehicle was gone, but in the meantime, why was it moved? And by whom? I'd guess police but one daughter posted they didn't return to the house until Wednesday. It would be very odd indeed if a family member had decided to remove Bob's car, I think.
 
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Now I'm trying to recollect when police said they found the note with his friends' details in his car. Maybe that will be a clue as to if it was taken away for forensics. I'll have to look at the transcript of Disappeared.
 
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I didn't know how to bump the transcript but believe put it on the first page of this thread. In it, Det. Loomis says, " Bob's white Camry was parked in the driveway. We gained entry to that vehicle..."

To me, that doesn't sound like police took Bob's vehicle away.
 
  • #894
Honestly, I will be totally shocked if, by the third day of Bob being missing, family had decided they had the right ( or even any reason) to take his car away.
 
  • #895
I've noticed something else now. BBM.

Det Loomis: "It was kind of the conclusion of all the detectives.....possibly that Bob was contemplating having moved a little too fast.....getting rid of all her (first wife Georgia's) belongings and effects in the house.."

So. Detectives said they knew Wednesday when Fontelle arrived there was a problem. Bob hadn't run off. So it obviously wasn't Fontelle who told them Bob was 'getting rid' of 'all' his first wife Georgia's things, and planted the idea in police minds that Bob had 'cold feet'. It sounds like that really bothered whoever told police that.

Just coincidentally, because Bob's case is full of them, I have definitely seen some info posted by someone claiming to be Bob's daughter, kind of complaining about Fontelle wanting family to take some of their Mom's things and decorations from the house, because they were not her style. I was blinded by the hypocrisy at the time, because of that 'memorabilia' list later, where the daughters claimed everything they could remember from Bob's house - and even things they couldn't.

They didn't want Fontelle to give the things to them, but they wanted to demand them via an attorney??

but now I'm thinking.....it seems to me that the person who told LE all about Bob 'having' to get rid of all his first wife's 'effects', because of Fontelle's requests (supposedly), is the person responsible for misleading police into thinking Bob had run away when he had very likely been murdered.

Why on earth would anyone have wanted to do that?
 
  • #896
Haven't there also been judgemental remarks about Bob collecting all this 'clutter' over the years, how difficult that made everything? Kind of implying he was a little....odd in his habits?

Yet no mention that this 'clutter bound' home was also the home of Bob's first wife, of fifty plus years? Until it came time to claiming it. Then most of it belonged to Bob's first wife. Or had been loaned by daughters. Or Bob had wanted to give it to them anyway.

I wish Disappeared had featured social media. On another thread here, they showed screen shots of posts on a documentary about a missing young woman. It was so, so revealing.
 
  • #897
I have watched too many videos today, of people I don't want to watch. I'm off to be baffled by sres.

One thing I will say though - if my father meant the world to me, and he went missing, I would move the world to find him. It's about time someone started proving they mean what they say.
 
  • #898
I didn't know how to bump the transcript but believe put it on the first page of this thread. In it, Det. Loomis says, " Bob's white Camry was parked in the driveway. We gained entry to that vehicle..."

To me, that doesn't sound like police took Bob's vehicle away.

Hi. I think Loomis was mistaken if she said white. That is Bob's gold Toyota Camry on the left in both videos. I think the white/beige vehicle on the right in the first video is PB's minivan.

From NamUs:

Vehicle makeToyotaVehicle modelCamryYear1997StyleSedanVehicle colorGold

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/case_report_html/2706
 
  • #899
that's one thing I loved so about my daddy- his 'clutter'....makes me grin thinking about it....amongst his clutter I found my first scrawled letter to Sandy Claws Norf Pol...he saved it. The love letters my parents wrote back & forth while he was in Korea. His Bronze Star.
Oh Zwie, do I baffle you much?? I will tell you WHO is baffling- 3 guesses, and you can prolly get'em all right.
1,2,3
too much silence you see
4,5,6
too big a quandary to fix?
7,8,9
some talking would be fine
10..
Bring Bob home again
 
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