CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #18

[Galbin]

Skeletal remains have been found in the desert in San Bernardino. But they are right up near Barstow, over two hours journey from Placentia.

No details about gender or age yet at all.

https://local.nixle.com/alert/5235530/

On the one hand I don't don't want it to be Bob, while on the other hand I'd like closure for Fontelle.

Either way, it's awful for the person found there, whoever they are.

 

[zwiebel]

Bob's twitter may go crazy today. Blame it on OCSD.

https://mobile.twitter.com/findbobharrod

 

[Cubby]

While I think the remains found near Barstow are likely not Bob's, wouldn't it just be so convenient for Bob's daughters, SIL and grandson someone would find Bob days before the 5th anniversary of his disappearance? Sort of like an, oh look- dad's been found deceased, saving them the trouble of racing to the court house to file to have Bob declared deceased.

5 years ago an ongoing battle over Bob's money was happening. It will be interesting to see what transpires upon the 5th anniversary of Bob's disappearance. Those in the inner circle have had 5 years to think about what happened. Lot's of time for people to change their minds about things........

 

[zwiebel]

OC prosecutors have been demonstrating their forensic computer skills gain. It's the trial for the murder of student Maribel Ramos.

'Two weeks after Maribel Ramos went missing from her apartment in Orange, her roommate used Google Maps to view satellite images of an unremarkable patch of Santiago Canyon, prosecutors said Monday.'

'Police would go on to search the area and find the body of the 36-year-old Army veteran and Cal State Fullerton student in a shallow grave, senior Orange County Deputy District Attorney Scott Simmons said.'

'...He checked his email, submitted a job application, then searched for how long it takes a human body to decay..'

In the article, prosecutors describe how the accused did a virtual online driveby of where he'd hidden Maribel's body, which enabled them to find her.

It is just amazing to me, how many killers/alleged killers carry out incriminating online searches, and think that by deleting their history, no one will find them.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/joy-628867-simmons-ramos.html

 

[zwiebel]

Wonder if there was anyone in Bob's close circle, fond of online searches?

Although nobody could find Fontelle when he asked, so I guess not.

 

[sreshowtime]

oh i bet 'they' were/are fond of online searches alright, just not anything to help dear ole dad reconnect with an ole flame, ya know...and I wouldn't be surprised if someone knew exactly who & where she was prior her finding Bob

 

[sreshowtime]

5 days until 5 years...and I really hope the person(s) responsible are having an especially terrible, horrible, no good week...tick tock tick tock...who is gonna get a conscience and spill what they suspect in their heart?? Do they sleep, have nightmares? How do they look in the mirror? What do they tell the great grandchildren? Doesn't any one of them care for their father more than they care for money? Doesn't anyone of them care more for the truth than money?
Mr. Harrod will always be the better person even though he is missing.
And I seriously doubt a stranger was involved.
He is some where.....waiting....waiting for truth.

 

[sreshowtime]

you know, I really have to wonder if he was moved later, after the cleaning lady left ...that playhouse shed thing, that has been in the back of my mind....she would have had no need to go in there....and what if he wasn't actually dead at that point....I mean we don't seem to know that HRD dogs were ever used there.............did Fontelle ever let any check the premises, if LE didn't?
I find it odd that JeM didn't call home before he left there to say, Bob isn't home, should I leave, or should I check the neighbors, grandsons, or what???? What did he do, go home and just happen to mention it as an afterthought?
It is almost like it was planned huh, except for the cleaning lady's 'surprise' appearance.........

 

[Seajay]

Time is getting closer. I wonder how many minutes after midnight and when the doors open at the courthouse, that papers will be filed to start probate and get the inheritance?

It's sad it's come to this. I had so hoped years ago that Bob would be found and reunited with his Fontelle.

I maybe had often wondered what that conversation was like the night JeM went home and mentioned to his wife that her father wasn't at the house when he left nor had been after one of his errands. Or was it a whole other conversation, about what exactly happened that day to Bob and his part in it. Did it go according to plan? Wonder how the cleaning lady's visit made it into the conversation?

Someone knows something and I hope whoever has a guilty conscience isn't sleeping for carp at night. I hope it's physically taken it's toll on them.

I still think Bob was taken out of there alive and dealt with later. Poor Bob, he worked so hard for his money and invested well, and he didn't get to enjoy the fruits of his labor.

 

[Cubby]

you know, I really have to wonder if he was moved later, after the cleaning lady left ...that playhouse shed thing, that has been in the back of my mind....she would have had no need to go in there....and what if he wasn't actually dead at that point....I mean we don't seem to know that HRD dogs were ever used there.............did Fontelle ever let any check the premises, if LE didn't?
I find it odd that JeM didn't call home before he left there to say, Bob isn't home, should I leave, or should I check the neighbors, grandsons, or what???? What did he do, go home and just happen to mention it as an afterthought?
It is almost like it was planned huh, except for the cleaning lady's 'surprise' appearance.........

I sometimes wonder if he is hidden in JeM and JuM's home. I wonder if LE ever searched their home or brought cadaver dogs into their home searching for evidence.

 

[zwiebel]

A very young marine's wife has gone missing in 29 palms, San Bernardino. She's expecting a baby. It has been the strangest thing that police didn't seem to know a single thing, didn't suspect foul play, yet were/are searching and searching in Joshua Tree Park, when her car was found abandoned near the 29 palms marine base where she lives.

Now an SB Sun journalist has ferreted out the search warrants served though, and the story looks completely different. The young woman was seen getting into a car, a marine neighbor's home and vehicle on the marine base were searched, shell casings were found, and people had heard ominous conversations. And the marine in question has now left the service, and gone to Alaska.

It just makes me wonder what the hidden background notes to Bob's case might be. And, frankly, why more information hasn't been released at this time. Pressure can be a pretty powerful investigative weapon.

 

[noZme]

My heart breaks for Fontelle & what might have been. The sweet love story of her & Bob should have had a very different ending. Damn you, greedy person/people!

 

[minusfour]

I shouldn't get so behind, but how encouraging to have pages to catch up on. Love the dancing statue, Zwei.

 

[believe09]

One of the things that has impressed me the most is Fontelle's sheer determination to get him home. She wants to tend to him-not in the way she expected to when she married him but at least to have him in a place where he can be mourned in a concrete way. I am highly skeptical that the sisters will be rushing to visit his grave every birthday, Memorial Day and Father's Day once he is recovered. I think they *may* have lost interest once the long coveted trusts were placed in their hands, but that is jmo.

Bob will be recovered, I absolutely believe it. I agree with sre that it seems likely he was hidden somewhere that was not typically accessible for CL or anyone for that matter, at least for a short period of time. The playhouse seems like a good choice. I am still 50/50 on whether or not he could have been easily moved by someone alone-if we conclude that the bathroom is the likely crime scene and we consider the schematics of the house I suppose he could have been dragged, pushed etc from floor to floor. Then again, there was the chair lift on the stairs-clearly that was the least labor intensive way to move Bob from upstairs to down stairs.

 

[believe09]

I think the timeline for SIL is probably pretty well mapped out, but I also think that there are others whose whereabouts are not well documented. At least not in any of the media we have explored.

Who was at the house on that day and how many times were they there? To my mind that is the key to all aspects of his presumed murder-I know I am stating the obvious. We know that SIL, CL, and grandson were there if only because of their statements, the police reports and the Disappeared episode.

SIL had a specific window of time associated with him, CL does as well so my curiosity extends to GS and what time of his is accounted for.

It might be worth trying to see if any of the principals in Bob's life have a tie to that area, because I personally believe that his location is some place familiar to at least one of the people who participated in this crime.

Det Radomski stated that this was not a stranger crime and that the person(s) responsible was within Bob's inner circle. Just to refresh our readers.

Skeletal remains have been found in the desert in San Bernardino. But they are right up near Barstow, over two hours journey from Placentia.

No details about gender or age yet at all.

https://local.nixle.com/alert/5235530/

 

[sreshowtime]

I have never been really comfortable (???) that Mr. H went missing during that time frame after 10 am-ish phone call and the return by JeM finding the cleaning lady there. I DO think something happened during that time. And he was re- located, singlehandedly, yet clumsily, out of the house proper to a spot that the CL would not go into....until someone got some additional assistance in further relocating him later into the evening... that play house thing screams at me, now I see it was there.I also think JeM knew the CL was coming at some point...and his idiotic behavior/statements was his nervousness perhaps....knowing there was some unfinished business to attend to later that day.....once the help summoned could arrive ...

So odd the family did not all convene at the house immediately upon receiving word he was missing, huh? To all be awaiting LE ....but yet AH has to show up with a key

things that make you go huh

yes Believe, definitely a place SOMEONE has some familiarity with in some capacity
thinking caps back on....they can not get away with this

 

[zwiebel]

Well, apparently grandson who lived right nearby did not have a key. Police report says he collected one from a neighbor, I think?

Which begs the question, if a family member living just a few blocks from Bob wasn't entrusted with a key, why should Son in Law have had one either? But if he didn't, exactly how did he manage to let himslf and the cleaner back into the house when he returned and Bob was gone? We know from Bob's neighbor that he always kept the doors locked.

 

[sreshowtime]

maybe SIL helped himself to the key that was normally left for the CL? Maybe he knew that is what was done for her? Or wanted to get back into the house? hmm But I thought grandson was a favorite, according to the neighbor who moved missives on here
gonna have to read back I reckon....to clarify what is known
what time was that welfare check with AH having a key....and what time did JuM start calling??? What time did JeM supposedly leave and JuM find out Mr H wasn't there

there is a time frame in there some where...could someone have assisted in removing Mr H

Now what time frame would there need to be to go dispose, get back & drop off helper, then skedaddle home oneself?
So that the helper would be there to let LE in

or did someone follow / leave a vehicle along the way? and then split up after?

I guess it all depends on what phone calls were taking place and IF those were even reviewed by LE...like was someone actually home when the 'missing' news was presented

I don't understand why AH didn't just go on in as soon as he, cough, got word

 

[sreshowtime]

i was just wondering, y'all remember the deal with the bed not being made? And someone spending a bit of time UPstairs while leaving the CL downstairs? Could someone have been putting sheet(s) ON the bed? (because some or all were missing?)
I wonder if there is a linen closet upstairs close to the Bedroom.
And did a hasty job, there fore the CL said the bed was 'unmade'? If she went upstairs and saw NO sheets, now wouldn't that have been weird??

Have I had a deja vu moment...have I read something like this before?

(And then those sheets got changed the next day.....WHY???? hmm, well maybe uh JIC Because forensic exam could have found someone's hair/dna on sheets where there would be no logical explanation for why it was there? Even though stuff like that prolly wasn't done........but...)

I use sheets a lot, out in the yard for dragging stuff around on...you know, kinda wrap stuff up so it is easier to move and not fall out.............

be one way to get something easier to manuever downstairs?

 

[believe09]

maybe SIL helped himself to the key that was normally left for the CL? Maybe he knew that is what was done for her? Or wanted to get back into the house? hmm But I thought grandson was a favorite, according to the neighbor who moved missives on here
gonna have to read back I reckon....to clarify what is known
what time was that welfare check with AH having a key....and what time did JuM start calling??? What time did JeM supposedly leave and JuM find out Mr H wasn't there

there is a time frame in there some where...could someone have assisted in removing Mr H

Now what time frame would there need to be to go dispose, get back & drop off helper, then skedaddle home oneself?
So that the helper would be there to let LE in

or did someone follow / leave a vehicle along the way? and then split up after?

I guess it all depends on what phone calls were taking place and IF those were even reviewed by LE...like was someone actually home when the 'missing' news was presented

I don't understand why AH didn't just go on in as soon as he, cough, got word

BBM- a scenario like this one has always resonated with me.