CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - # 5

[cloudajo]

I was just reading on Andrew Compton's thread about how LE used a reagent called Bluestar to detect blood in the suspect's apartment that had been cleaned up.

Would this be similar to luminol? I wonder if Bluestar was used by LE in Bob's house?

BLUESTAR® FORENSIC
Latent Blood Reagent

Extreme performance

The extreme sensitivity of BLUESTAR® FORENSIC allows the naked eye to detect bloodstains down to 1:10,000 dilutions, like minute traces or droplets that have been washed off, with or without detergent.

BLUESTAR® FORENSIC has a stronger and longer-lasting luminescence that does not require total darkness to be visible. Good quality pictures can be obtained with an ordinary camera and film.

With a little practice, BLUESTAR® FORENSIC makes it impossible to get confused between blood and false positives since the luminescence differs in color, intensity and duration.

BLUESTAR® FORENSIC does not alter DNA and allows for both subsequent DNA typing and ABO typing.

BLUESTAR® FORENSIC works as well on fresh blood as on very old or altered bloodstains, pure or diluted.

http://www.bluestar-forensic.com/gb/bluestar.php

 

[believe09]

Now that is interesting-old, altered and diluted blood stains. What if they were in minute amounts? I wonder if there are any areas of Bob's house that have actually been repainted since he disappeared-I mean as long as nothing has been repainted, I would think that it would be worth a shot, if it wasnt already done. I wonder if the rugs etc are also still the same. This is really, really interesting-TY cloud!!!

 

[Opie]

Sorry, I have nothing to add. Just wanted to bump this thread up to page 1.

Still hoping/praying for justice for Bob.

 

[suzyq211]

Sorry, I have nothing to add. Just wanted to bump this thread up to page 1.

Still hoping/praying for justice for Bob.

I hear ya, Opie. I hate when Bob goes to the back page...he needs and deserves to be front and center! (Like every victim on here) :-(

 

[Angelo]

On August 14, 2009 daughter R posted the following:


"Oh Dad, where are you? What have you done? What danger have you placed yourself in? Who has you? Are you happy? Are you peaceful? Why don't you want to come home? So many tearfilled questions. "

Notice how she is blaming her father for his own disappearance.

• What have you done?
• What danger have you placed yourself in?
• Why don't you want to come home?

 

[believe09]

Thank you Angelo for reminding us. So his disappearance is all of his fault, but his children are benefiting mightily from the fact that it is on going and his body has not been found.

Correct me if I am wrong-this case is still with Homicide right?

What a sick game to be playing.

 

[Angelo]

Just thinking about Mr. Harrod.

I would love to know how the daughters reacted when told of their father's plans to marry Fontelle and later when Mr. Harrod announced they had married.

I wonder what kind of phone calls, emails and other contacts were made by the daughters and between the daughters after they realized Fontelle was going to be a part of their father's life.

 

[believe09]

Just thinking about Mr. Harrod.

I would love to know how the daughters reacted when told of their father's plans to marry Fontelle and later when Mr. Harrod announced they had married.

I wonder what kind of phone calls, emails and other contacts were made by the daughters and between the daughters after they realized Fontelle was going to be a part of their father's life.

I wonder if they contacted anyone else as well to express their concerns. Sheesh, this case has a lot of potential for material witnesses when the time comes. It is all about the little pieces creating a picture of avarice.

 

[Cubby]

I agree with the above. I've never seen a bio family react so repulsively as Bobs daughters have in any missing persons case. All we can do is wait patiently for multiple charges to come-to multiple parties in this case. I have no doubt based on facts uncovered when, not if, but when charges come down we will all be cheering LE got ALL involved.

I for one would rather wait for everyone involved to be charged versus charges against a single individual. I have no doubt LE is working feverishly behind the scenes and it won't be long before certain parties jaws are dropping LE has solved this. It will come as a shock to a few, to the rest it will be a long time coming.

JMO

 

[Angelo]

Thank you Angelo for reminding us. So his disappearance is all of his fault, but his children are benefiting mightily from the fact that it is on going and his body has not been found.

Correct me if I am wrong-this case is still with Homicide right?

What a sick game to be playing.

You are correct, the case is with homicide.

Reading what R wrote you would think she was talking about a young and irresponsible man, not an elderly man who had just married a woman who loved him and who he loved.

 

[Cubby]

You are correct, the case is with homicide.

Respectfully snipped. Interestingly, if you go back to the early MSM articles as far back as October of 2009, IIRC, they clearly imply this case has been with homicide from the get go. IMO, the reason charges seem to be taking 'forever' is LE is well aware multiple persons are involved and they want to ensure convictions against ALL parties involved.

JMO

 

[Opie]

I have just read these latest posts and my sad reaction isuke:

 

[believe09]

You know what I have been pondering lately? Georgia's will. What if she left everything to the trust? What if she made no bequests-what if she didnt specify belongings or money being passed on to anyone?

Imagine if you received that news hot on the heels of being told that your dad wanted his new wife to share in the estate planning....I mean how unfair, right? Here this new person was going to waltz in and receive a chunk of an estate that you believed rightfully belonged to you. You had been fobbed off with a chunk of cash and you were waiting for the money train to roll in....or at least you figured your loving mother would have specified something for you. Anything. A knick knack. Something.

But what if she didnt? How hurt and angry would you be?

I wonder.

 

[Cubby]

Georgia's will is public record.... would be an interesting read, imo, to see what Georgia's wishes were.

jmo

 

[Montjoy]

Unfair in what way? It's his money, he worked for it, he gets to decide what to do with it. Same with me, I have no basis on which to say I'm entitled to anything my parents have when they die. It's theirs, I hope the spend whatever they want to make their lives happy. I can make my own money.

While I agree with you entirely, I have to guess that Believe was speaking from the point of view of Bob's daughters, his daughter J's husband JM, and grandson AH. They have what my in my own view is a skewed sense of 'entitlement'. From where this sense of entitlement came is anyone's guess. Regardless, their idea of 'mementos' that they wanted removed from Bob's home (while he is, let us remember, defined as 'missing') reveals a strong sense of entitlement about anything of value, with only a thin sheen of sentimentality at play.

IMO, it's hard not to see the motive of cashing in on the death of one's parent(s) here. It seems all the more galling in light of how generous Bob clearly was when he was alive. Rather than feeling blessed, they felt hungry. Bob worked hard -- maybe he was lucky or had the happenstance of profitable networks -- but it's impossible to deny that he worked hard for what he earned and provided for his family. And for what payoff?

Right now, it is a glaring detail that none of his daughters, nor his grandson, have stepped up to tell the truth in this case. As frustrating as that is to those who follow Bob's murder, I think it must only strengthen the resolve of the dedicated folks investigating.

I know that Bob's daughters are intelligent people, so I must confess that I still find it staggering that none of them has yet spoken with LE about making a deal to put this to rest. That's the dotted line that leads to being able to inherit anything, IMO. Forgive me for putting it in those terms, because I'd like to hold on to the hope that someone will want to do what is right for reasons beyond money, but the clock is ticking.

 

[Cubby]

On August 14, 2009 daughter R posted the following:


"Oh Dad, where are you? What have you done? What danger have you placed yourself in? Who has you? Are you happy? Are you peaceful? Why don't you want to come home? So many tearfilled questions. "

Notice how she is blaming her father for his own disappearance.

• What have you done?
• What danger have you placed yourself in?
• Why don't you want to come home?

Blaming him for his own disappearance, justifiying her/their actions and another example of trying to steer the investigation in directions already ruled out. Yep.


No vigils
No missing persons flyers
No plea through the media for dad to come home
No requests for media
No unofficial ground searches
No fundraisers
No billboards
No use of any social networking sites -but hundreds of posts complaining about money, LE, and desperate attempts to steer the investigation and interest into directions already ruled out by LE.

:furious:

I better stop there......


jmo

 

[believe09]

See I am trying to work out what the flash point was on that day. I mean, they knew for a weeks that Fontelle existed and then that she and Bob were married.

Estate planning couldnt have been a big surprise-I mean everyone should have been able to see that one coming.

So a heated debate over details of the ByPass trust and or estate planning. Unless they had already made this decision ahead of time, and showed up that day with a plan in place should Bob not "see reason", I have to believe that there was a flash point on that day.

I wonder if they are counting on Fontelle weakening and going away? If they can't bully her into leaving, I suspect they will make some kind of handsome offer to her. Since the spousal support, by my calculations, covers necessities with little extra, I wonder if there is going to be a money carrot dangled at some point.

ETA: This is why I wonder if everything was left to Bob and there were no bequests to their children or grandchild. Just wonderin.

 

[Cubby]

Good points believe. I haven't really thought much about a flash point for the day Bob disappeared other than if past behavior is reflective of future behavior then it is difficult to imagine the behavior prior to Bobs disappearance being any different post disappearance. IMO, there is more than one flash point here. Starting with the day Bob requested and paid his daughters to leave him alone. Clearly the intitial flash point may be Georgia's passing, possibly the reading of her will - what it included and what it did not. Perhaps Georgia's will might shed some light...

jmo

 

[Montjoy]

This is largely speculative, of course, and please forgive the disrespect to the dead, but for the longest time I've wondered how all three of Bob's daughters could have been so awful were it not for some sort of odd worldview/sense of entitlement that they got from Georgia. Their deep greed and inhumanity seems at odds with what we have learned about Bob (and learned about him from his daughters), and so it's tempting to think that Georgia is the missing piece of the puzzle in that family dynamic. Notwithstanding, I guess it is worth considering that she also knew that she had terrible, greedy daughters as well. It's worth noting that Georgia has been totally deified by her daughters, in sharp contrast to the character assassination Bob has received from those whose 'lifestyles' he funded.

Why no anger at mom for not giving them the stuff they wanted? Why is that dad's fault? Perhaps it is because dad/Bob was always an easy target.

If they'd wanted their mom's nick-knacks from around the house -- her Nativity sets, planters, salt-shakers -- they could have arranged all of that with their father (before he was murdered) or with their mother (while she was alive). But no -- blame Bob, blame Fontelle.

Is it any wonder why the ex parte motion characterized Bob's relationship with his daughters as one of 'torment'? Heck, it gives me a headache to imagine being in the same room with them, so I can't imagine what it would be like to feel a blood obligation towards such scum.

 

[Angelo]

This is largely speculative, of course, and please forgive the disrespect to the dead, but for the longest time I've wondered how all three of Bob's daughters could have been so awful were it not for some sort of odd worldview/sense of entitlement that they got from Georgia. Their deep greed and inhumanity seems at odds with what we have learned about Bob (and learned about him from his daughters), and so it's tempting to think that Georgia is the missing piece of the puzzle in that family dynamic. Notwithstanding, I guess it is worth considering that she also knew that she had terrible, greedy daughters as well. It's worth noting that Georgia has been totally deified by her daughters, in sharp contrast to the character assassination Bob has received from those whose 'lifestyles' he funded.

Why no anger at mom for not giving them the stuff they wanted? Why is that dad's fault? Perhaps it is because dad/Bob was always an easy target.

If they'd wanted their mom's nick-knacks from around the house -- her Nativity sets, planters, salt-shakers -- they could have arranged all of that with their father (before he was murdered) or with their mother (while she was alive). But no -- blame Bob, blame Fontelle.

Is it any wonder why the ex parte motion characterized Bob's relationship with his daughters as one of 'torment'? Heck, it gives me a headache to imagine being in the same room with them, so I can't imagine what it would be like to feel a blood obligation towards such scum.

I too have found it interesting that the daughter's posts about their mother have such a different tone then those written about their father.

I wonder how the daughters treated Georgia while she was alive. Were they as devoted to her in life as they now seem to be to her memory? By all accounts, Mr. Harrod was devoted to Georgia.

Could it be that the character assassination and anger towards Mr. Harrod is a way to try and justify and cover for their actions in regard to the disappearance of Mr. Harrod.

If, after Georgia's death, the daughters were thinking, it won't be long before dad follows mom and all will be ours, can you imagine the anger and panic when they learned of Fontelle and their father's new-found will to live. How dare he interfere with their plans for their future!