CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - # 9

[SuziQ]

Shana, at the beginning of this case I also thought the daughters could "possibly" be involved. But, then I started having questions of my own. There were too many other possibilities. Yes, as Cloudajo posted..Maybe the daughters have not spoken to the media as much as everyone wants, or maybe they have not shared all the information they have gone through from all their court cases but ..would you? All that has nothing to do with the disappearance of Bob no matter how much everyone wants to believe it does. I bet the SIL hasn't spoken up because he was the last person that saw Bob and has been named here on the forum as the most likely suspect. Bob cared for his SIL and depended on him do his repairs and little things around the house. I wouldnt speak up either. Hopefully, you can read back through the threads and form your own opinion.

BBM. The SIL along with Bob's daughters and grandson have been publicly named persons of interest by PPD. It is not a leap to suspect his involvement and sleuth him on this forum. I wouldn't expect him to speak up either. People who have something to hide tend to stay very quiet.

I know from your posts that the sleuthing of the SIL's truck really bothers you. However, since he's been named a POI in a homicide, and the last person to see Bob, it's not a leap to wonder and post theories about how Bob's body would have been removed from Bob's house since Bob is no longer at his house.

 

[charminglane]

Do we know what the grandson does for a living? ( I am assuming he is in his twenties.)

Thank you in advance!

 

[Cubby]

According to veromi, the grandson is 33. Associated business listed at Veromi is Harrod Management Solutions, Inc. which follows with Residential Property Managers.

http://www.veromi.net/Summary.asp?f...ia&state=CA&age=&vw=&Search=&Input=&x=58&y=19

ETA: Here's his linkedin page/profile:

http://www.linkedin.com/in/aharrod

 

[GrainneDhu]

Clearly there was some straightening up. Daughter JuM did post she went dth the day following Bob's disappearance to "change the linens" and she is seen via the KTLV video in Bob's home the 28th. We don't know what other family members in CA were doing Tues July 28th.

BBM

Yeah, the day after the housekeeper comes is the natural time to think a house needs straightening up.

Particularly when you know the sole resident hasn't been there since the housekeeper was there.

 

[shana]

BBM

Yeah, the day after the housekeeper comes is the natural time to think a house needs straightening up.

Particularly when you know the sole resident hasn't been there since the housekeeper was there.

As well as when you can list certain linens on a list, from memory.

~jmo~

On a personal note, the LAST thing I was wanting to get from my parents were their bed linens; in fact, it took some time before we stripped the bed. Just sayin'

 

[shana]

In post #197 on this thread, believe09 posted this:

The trust documents and will are public record-they can be requested by any member of the public.

OK, thank you. Would you please provide a link or clue where I can get these docs?

I shudder at the thought of anyone's private wishes being so easily accessible to "any member of the public"; therefore, your assistance is very much appreciated! tia

~jmo~

 

[shana]

I had found AH yesterday on the net, age 33, many sources.

Someone referenced above that he may have children. Is there any verification for that?

tia

Also to ask: Is he the bio son of JeM? I found him on both surnames but it would appear that he was a child of JuM, perhaps before her marriage. His AH name (surname) endorses.

 

[Cubby]

I had found AH yesterday on the net, age 33, many sources.

Someone referenced above that he may have children. Is there any verification for that?

tia

Also to ask: Is he the bio son of JeM? I found him on both surnames but it would appear that he was a child of JuM, perhaps before her marriage. His AH name (surname) endorses.

The second to the last line of Bob's Charley Project page reads:

<snip> he left behind three daughters, a grandson and three great grandchildren.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/harrod_robert.html

AH is the bio child of JeM. JeM, at somepoint (when?), changed his surname from Fink to Michaels.

http://www.pattnicol.com/MonroviaHighSchool_California_1969_StrayCats.html

AH at some point, (when?), changed his surname from Michaels to Harrod.

hth

 

[cloudajo]

Starting in 1999 and through 2007, there were various deeds and assignment of rent recorded for AH’s (Bob’s grandson’s) property between AH and Bob/Georgia/Trust

AH and his wife filed for bankruptcy on 03/19/2001

It’s my understanding Bob/Georgia/Trust held the deed to AH’s house via a Trust Deed, so AH was obligated to pay off the loan for his house

Last month, there is a Quitclaim Deed recorded on 4/25/2012 with AH as Grantor and PB and RB COTR (Conservators?) as Grantees

Does this mean AH gets to walk away from his debt to Bob?


OC Clerk Property Records:
Document Number: 2012000235329
Document Type: QUITCLAIM DEED
Recording Date: 4/25/2012
Number of Pages: 2
Grantor: HARROD ANDREW R TR
Grantee: BORCHER PAULA S COTR

Document Number: 2012000235329
Document Type: QUITCLAIM DEED
Recording Date: 4/25/2012
Number of Pages: 2
Grantor: HARROD ANDREW R TR
Grantee: BRADY ROBERTA D COTR

· Deeds of Trusts are loan documents given at the time of purchase resulting in an obligation to pay the loan or foreclosure may result. The Deed of Trust is also recorded when refinancing.
· Quit Claim Deed: A legal instrument (document) which is used to transfer (convey) rights in real property from one entity (the grantor) to another (the grantee). This type of real estate deed only transfers the interest that the grantor currently holds in the property to the grantee. Commonly used in transfers of title or interests in title, quit claims are often made to family members, divorcing or recently married spouses, LLCs, corporate entities, trusts, or in other transactions between people well-known to each other. This type of deed is sometimes incorrectly referred to as a "Quick Claim Deed."


https://cr.ocgov.com/recorderworks/
http://www.quitclaimdeed.com/
http://www.pacer.gov/

 

[cloudajo]

As you recall, JuM posted on her community site in March that her son AH was now living "in a much more affluent area than their old house..."

This is yet another family member who was helped financially by Bob, but (to my knowledge) has never spoken to media or done anything to raise awareness that his grandfather is missing.

 

[Angelo]

As you recall, JuM posted on her community site in March that her son AH was now living "in a much more affluent area than their old house..."

This is yet another family member who was helped financially by Bob, but (to my knowledge) has never spoken to media or done anything to raise awareness that his grandfather is missing.

JuM has also posted that her son is a successful genius. Obviously not when it comes to money matters.

Another family member that has benefited from Mr. Harrod's disappearance.

 

[suzyq211]

As you recall, JuM posted on her community site in March that her son AH was now living "in a much more affluent area than their old house..."

This is yet another family member who was helped financially by Bob, but (to my knowledge) has never spoken to media or done anything to raise awareness that his grandfather is missing.

As someone upthread posted, look at those who have benefited from Robert Harrod's disappearance/death. I have to wonder if Bob would have accepted this quit claim deed if he were alive.

 

[believe09]

I need real estate 101, lol. Does this mean that Bob's trust is going to eat the loss of AH walking away from the house? Or does this mean the trust now owns the house and will go after AH for his debt associated with it?

 

[believe09]

I had found AH yesterday on the net, age 33, many sources.

Someone referenced above that he may have children. Is there any verification for that?

tia

Also to ask: Is he the bio son of JeM? I found him on both surnames but it would appear that he was a child of JuM, perhaps before her marriage. His AH name (surname) endorses.

I have pondered this as well-I think unless she fudged his DOB, he must be bio son...or there was someone else involved in their lives and JeM stepped up to the plate?? I think at one time AH was indeed AM. Did we ever find any indication that a legal name change was done? I cant remember...

 

[Cubby]

I've never found any records indicating AH changed his name legally. I've seen records in CA for other cases non related to Mr. Harrods.

As far as a quit claim. From my RE years, a quit claim will take someones name off the title or deed to a property. In a normal mortgage sense, it does not eliminate someone from their debt obligation. It would not remove their name from any mortgage documents.

I wonder if Bob's daughters will collect? Or if the courts might have to force them to? I can't imagine how not collecting would be viewed as in the best interest of the trust and Bob's daughters obligatory fiduciary responsibility. Though, given the games they and their attorney are playing with the trust accounting, my bet would be they'd collectively snub their fiduciary responsibility when it comes to collecting on the grandsons mortgage debt to Bob's trust.

 

[Cubby]

In post #197 on this thread, believe09 posted this:

The trust documents and will are public record-they can be requested by any member of the public.

OK, thank you. Would you please provide a link or clue where I can get these docs?

I shudder at the thought of anyone's private wishes being so easily accessible to "any member of the public"; therefore, your assistance is very much appreciated! tia

~jmo~

The trust/will is on record with the Orange County Courts. I believe this is it here for anyone wishing to order records.

Case Summary
Case Number Title Filing Date Category Case Type

30-2008-00068771-PR-OP-LJC

HARROD-SAFEKEEPING WILL
04/01/2008 PROBATE OTHER PROBATE MATTER



Participants Results 1 - 1 of 1000000000000
Name Type Start Date End Date Current Attorney

GEORGIA M HARROD DECEDENT 05/14/2008

Hearings
Event Scheduled Date Start Time Dept No Records Found
Register of Actions Need a document printed?


https://ocapps.occourts.org/ProbPub...-00068771-PR-OP-LJC&src=case_src_dtl#top_page

 

[believe09]

Almost all wills are publicly filed, isnt that correct guys? Because once someone has passed, the state wants their piece of the pie...in Bob's case he split the marital assets into two trusts to minimize the estate taxes iirc.

 

[Cubby]

IANAL, but I am pretty sure all wills/trusts are public record and on file with the court. It appears this one was filed in May of 2008 shortly after Bob's first wife Georgia passed away.

 

[believe09]

AH at some point, (when?), changed his surname from Michaels to Harrod.

From Cubby's post. IIRC, he changed his name to Andrew Robert Harrod...didnt he?

Regarding the establishment of the trusts that Bob and Georgia set up:
There is a Survivor's Trust and a ByPass trust. The Bypass is Georgia's half of the marital assets accumulated over a 50+year time frame. The Survivor's Trust is Bob's half. Bob is beneficiary and trustee of both trusts-he survived Georgia so her money is his. HIS. No one elses. As the trustee, he has carte blanche to spend whatever money however he sees fit.

Note that there are co conservators who were appointed as a result of a mediation agreement entered into with Mrs Harrod and two of Bob's daughters. They are not trustees of the assets. This was an agreement that everyone signed off on, the terms of which have yet to be adhered to...

The co conservators are supposed to be maintaining the assets of the trusts until the happy day when Bob is able to administer to his trusts himself. These are not personal bank accounts for the co conservators-they have a fiduciary responsibility to maintain Bob's holdings. Chasing BL with a nonsense lawsuit that was malicious, constantly filing for motions and hearings and delaying filing audits they agreed to file in a timely fashion as a result of the mediation agreement...well it seems to be a colossal waste of the assets of the trust. Unless they are paying for all of the activity themselves.

I dont think they are paying for it themselves. Just a suspicion.

And now comes a new twist-AH and the house on Windflower. The proof of their adherance to their fiduciary responsibilities will be whether or not they chase him for the debt I would think.

We will see.

 

[believe09]

Let's get back to AH for a minute-what if he isnt JeM's? It really is an interesting thought...or perhaps he had such distaste for his own surname he adopted his beloved grandfather's. JeM jettisoned his surname as well.

Weird family...jmo.