CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - # 9

[SuziQ]

I'm probably remembering incorrectly, but didn't AH quit paying the mortgage and then the court said he had to keep paying? Was the quitclaim an ill advised attempt to help AH get out of paying the trust back?

 

[Cubby]

AFAIK there has never been an attempt to collect any money from the grandson since Bob's disappearance.

 

[Cubby]

JuM has also posted that her son is a successful genius. Obviously not when it comes to money matters.

Another family member that has benefited from Mr. Harrod's disappearance.

BBM. Additionally, didn't his mother claim AH and his family owned or were to receive several of Bob's belongings from that mile long 100+ item memorabilia list? :waitasec:

 

[believe09]

Oh the list. We need to link that again for our newer posters. You will be amazed to know that Bob and Georgia accumulated no possessions in their very long marriage. Down to the sheets in the house, it all belonged to someone else.

 

[Cubby]

Here is the mile long 100+ item memorabilia list. I strongly advise heeding adnoids suggestion prior to reading.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bob Harrod-Documents No discussion

 

[Oriah]

Here is the mile long 100+ item memorabilia list. I strongly advise heeding adnoids suggestion prior to reading.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bob Harrod-Documents No discussion

Thanks Cubby.
I suggest raising adnoids suggestion to using wire in place of tape.
That's what I had to use after I reattached my jaw.
(Which was needed primarily to keep my thoughts to myself re: the absolute transparency of motive in Mr. Harrod's case.)

My current emotion is somewhere along the lines of fury.
Poor Bob, poor Fontelle, poor Georgia.

What an immense betrayal.

 

[believe09]

I am still stuck on the quitclaim. With the scathing decision the judge wrote at the conclusion of the trial between the daughters and the BL, there was a mention of PB's testimony. There were some yellow sheets of paper that PB refused to turn over and on them she testified that there was a record of loans, including loans to family members.

I am willing to guess that the yellow papers include the details on the house at Windflower. That house is an asset of the trust, it isnt an asset of AH's that he can sign away in the hopes that his aunts dont do any due diligence in pursuing his defailt....right?

Now, if Mrs Harrod has any standing in all of this, the quitclaim does not apply to her if I am reading the information correctly. Perhaps the co conservators made a deal with AH on some level, but Fontelle should be able to pursue him I would think.

 

[Cubby]

IMO, any attempt at alleviating AH of his debt which he is still legally obligated to pay, should be viewed by the court as a huge breach of fiduciary responsibility by the co-conservators and they should be removed immediately.

At what point is the court going to step in and protect Bob's assets rather than allowing his adult daughters to play a shell game with his assets as a means to distract the goal of finding Bob? How many years of non compliance is the court going to allow?

 

[Cubby]

Where is the attorney who represented Bob when these trusts were put together? I realize he has no obligation to Bob's daughters or the current Mrs. Harrod. However he still has an obgliation to Mr. Harrod, no? Why doesn't the court go directly to him. He'd certainly know the in's and out's of the details of the mortgage on the delinquent grandsons home.

 

[suzyq211]

Thanks Cubby.
I suggest raising adnoids suggestion to using wire in place of tape.
That's what I had to use after I reattached my jaw.
(Which was needed primarily to keep my thoughts to myself re: the absolute transparency of motive in Mr. Harrod's case.)

My current emotion is somewhere along the lines of fury.
Poor Bob, poor Fontelle, poor Georgia.

What an immense betrayal.

I know, Oriah...after reading that list I felt like I was punched in the gut. Absolutely horrifying...

 

[shefner]

Gosh, ya'll.....I'm so glad I don't have much! At least that will be one less motivation for my spoiled children to do me in!

This case is so sad. How does the court stand the greed? I don't know. To me, in this case, GREED = GUILT! I have never seen mature, grown people act with such self-serving actions while their father is heaven-knows-where. Shame, Shame on them.

Can someone please link something to let the new ones to this case (like me) know what happened with the new Mrs. Harrod? Did she indeed move in Bob's home? Is her daughter helping her? Bless her heart. I feel terrible for this turn of events for her.

BTW, thanks for your patience, those of you who have been here so long. You have helped us out with many questions that I am sure you have long since discussed.

 

[believe09]

Gosh, ya'll.....I'm so glad I don't have much! At least that will be one less motivation for my spoiled children to do me in!

This case is so sad. How does the court stand the greed? I don't know. To me, in this case, GREED = GUILT! I have never seen mature, grown people act with such self-serving actions while their father is heaven-knows-where. Shame, Shame on them.

Can someone please link something to let the new ones to this case (like me) know what happened with the new Mrs. Harrod? Did she indeed move in Bob's home? Is her daughter helping her? Bless her heart. I feel terrible for this turn of events for her.

BTW, thanks for your patience, those of you who have been here so long. You have helped us out with many questions that I am sure you have long since discussed.

Mrs Harrod lives in her marital residence, shefner...the house at Carnation Drive. She did some additional interviews there if I am not mistaken last fall.

She is waiting for Bob to come home in some capacity.

What did you think of the memoribilia list?

 

[GrainneDhu]

Last month, there is a Quitclaim Deed recorded on 4/25/2012 with AH as Grantor and PB and RB COTR (Conservators?) as Grantees

Does this mean AH gets to walk away from his debt to Bob?

Someone who knows for sure should chime in but yeah, my understanding of a quitclaim deed is that it means that one party has either been paid off in full or has forgiven any debt due to the other party.

Wow.

 

[believe09]

Someone who knows for sure should chime in but yeah, my understanding of a quitclaim deed is that it means that one party has either been paid off in full or has forgiven any debt due to the other party.

Wow.

Well, let's see...the co conservators went after BL with a malicious lawsuit for about 64 K, right? But they may let AH slide on a debt which has a much, much bigger dollar amount attached to it possibly.

I am sorry, back to conservatorship 101-this benefits Bob how?

AND AH's mom has proudly announced that he lives in a far more affluent area now. Really. He apparently doesnt have the capacity to honor this obligation, IF we are reading this situation correctly, but he has the means to purchase/rent/squat (just kidding) in a far more affluent area.

Ah well, good on him as my down under friends used to say.

 

[Cubby]

Someone who knows for sure should chime in but yeah, my understanding of a quitclaim deed is that it means that one party has either been paid off in full or has forgiven any debt due to the other party.

Wow.

BBM. This would be when a quitclaim is signed in conjunction with either a refinance where the party signing off on the quit claim is no longer on the title and the property note/mortgage on the property, usually by refinancing. Or, the bank has signed a release of liability.

Unless the co-conservators wrote/signed a release of liability on the mortgage arrears, AH is still legally obligated to pay them. I had my RE license until I let it lapse due to the evening and weekend hours due to being a single parent. The previous is always how I understood it with the business transactions where quit claims were used.

So, did the co-conservators sign a release of liability along with the quitclaim? If so, how is that in the best interest of the trust?

 

[shefner]

Mrs Harrod lives in her marital residence, shefner...the house at Carnation Drive. She did some additional interviews there if I am not mistaken last fall.

She is waiting for Bob to come home in some capacity.

What did you think of the memoribilia list?

I drew back in horror, believe. Jeepers...what would a "normal" person do?
Try this:
"Fontelle...would it be alright if we came by one day and got a few things that belonged to momma? Maybe some photos and a few knick knacks that were special to her? I'm sure you understand. It might give you some extra space for some of your special belongings and it will help each of us to have something important that she loved."

No, the purpose in the memorabilia list was to ransack that house of anything of worth....heck, they wanted everything! Forget that daddy worked for all of it and it was his.

I am really hot under the collar about this case. The more I read, the madder I get! Those girls outta have their fannies spanked but good. Fortunately, I believe in eternal justice. That brings me some measure of relief.

 

[shana]

My familiarity with Trust/Estate law is confined to a highly complex case in my personal life which has endured (painfully, I might add) for many years. Coupled with my observation of human behavior and interactions from all sides, I've never seen the likes of THIS case! That 'memorabilia' list of nearly 80 items is set-out in great detail...Who remembers this much from memory? It's astonishing and well, frankly, not too believable.

It took YEARS for me to approach the contents of relatives' homes to clear-out personal belongings. I felt great comfort in leaving things just as they were! And that was after deaths, not a month after a loved one went missing.

Q for anyone who has the original Will and Trust docs: Was Personal Property mentioned at all or were the docs silent on its disposition?

~jmo~

 

[shana]

I found the wikipedia Article and Talk tab interesting and fairly easy to understand:

Quitclaim deed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[noZme]

IMO, any attempt at alleviating AH of his debt which he is still legally obligated to pay, should be viewed by the court as a huge breach of fiduciary responsibility by the co-conservators and they should be removed immediately.

At what point is the court going to step in and protect Bob's assets rather than allowing his adult daughters to play a shell game with his assets as a means to distract the goal of finding Bob? How many years of non compliance is the court going to allow?

I hope git will git in here & explain about the quit claim as it relates to the estate.

Good post, Cubby. I think this is what it all boils down to lately.

Conservators, yeah right! By the way, where is Bob?

 

[Cubby]

My familiarity with Trust/Estate law is confined to a highly complex case in my personal life which has endured (painfully, I might add) for many years. Coupled with my observation of human behavior and interactions from all sides, I've never seen the likes of THIS case! That 'memorabilia' list of nearly 80 items is set-out in great detail...Who remembers this much from memory? It's astonishing and well, frankly, not too believable.

It took YEARS for me to approach the contents of relatives' homes to clear-out personal belongings. I felt great comfort in leaving things just as they were! And that was after deaths, not a month after a loved one went missing.

Q for anyone who has the original Will and Trust docs: Was Personal Property mentioned at all or were the docs silent on its disposition?

~jmo~

It's my belief that list was NOT compiled from memory. IMO daughter did an inventory to compile that list the day following her fathers disappearance, while she was "changing the linens". This would be the same day she was interviewed by KLTV.

IMO, she took that inventory because she knew from the get go her father was not coming home. And yes, I too believe in eternal justice.