CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - # 9

[shana]

Yes, I found PE's blog an interesting read.

Sorry to have been afk (dealing with own estate matters here)...

Back to searching the net for Robert Harrod boards. ;->

~jmo~

 

[Cubby]

new item (currently #2):


http://www.sbcounty.gov/sheriff/coroner/pressrelease.asp

218 miles from Bob's town, but you never know...(first time posting a map, yikes, long link, and Bing keeps reversing my "A" and "B")...

http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=pppchj570xsc&lvl=17&dir=0&sty=b&rtp=.33.871120_-117.861397_Placentia,%20CA___e_~.34.137731_-117.191528_E%20Frontage%20Rd,%20Highland,%20CA%2092346___e_~.34.205002_-117.107208_Running%20Springs,%20CA___e_&mode=D&rtop=0~0~0~&form=LMLTCC#Y3A9MzQuNTAyMDI5OTQ1OTkwODg0fi0xMTYuNjk4Njk2NDk5OTk5OSZsdmw9OCZzdHk9YiZydHA9cG9zLjM1LjEyMTkyOV8tMTE1LjUyNzc3MV9Nb2phdmUlMjBOYXRpb25hbCUyMFByZXNlcnZlX19fZV9+cG9zLjMzLjg3MTEyMF8tMTE3Ljg2MTM5N19QbGFjZW50aWElMkMlMjBDQV9fX2VfJm1vZGU9RCZydG9wPTB+MH4wfg==

No update on prev. item #37 now (did we give up on that one?)...

This case has been entered into NamUs.

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/10268

Partial skull only, no mandible. Dentals indicate a partial cemented bridge. IIRC, Bob did not have any type of bridge.

There are no rule outs listed at NamUs for this uid.

Additionally, the UID found a month earlier near the 330 has not yet been entered into NamUs and I am still searching the coroners press release for any updates.

 

[Cubby]

I wonder why a UID found in May in San Bernardino would be entered into NamUs, while the UID found in SB a month earlier has yet to be entered. Unless they are awaiting further tests, possibly for a COD.

It doesn't happen often, but I have seen other counties withhold info on UID's being entered into NamUs in cooperation with LE investigating a murder.

Hmm.

 

[Cubby]

No updates to the info regarding the skeletal remains found near the 330 on April 10th. Now #47.

http://www.co.san-bernardino.ca.us/sheriff/coroner/PressRelease.asp

 

[charminglane]

Just wondering of there is a law expert that volunteers to help Veterans? Or act in their best interests while they are poof?

 

[cocomod]

No updates to the info regarding the skeletal remains found near the 330 on April 10th. Now #47.

http://www.co.san-bernardino.ca.us/sheriff/coroner/PressRelease.asp

I noticed a while back that they did change the description from "elderly male" to "male" - or am I mistaken?

 

[believe09]

Here is a question for our very own gitana1-

If Bob has an attorney, does the attorney have the responsibility of making sure Bob and his interests are represented separately? For example, let's say Bob was being unmercifully slandered on the www, or his money was being distributed contrary to the trust document.

Am I making sense?

 

[suzyq211]

Here is a question for our very own gitana1-

If Bob has an attorney, does the attorney have the responsibility of making sure Bob and his interests are represented separately? For example, let's say Bob was being unmercifully slandered on the www, or his money was being distributed contrary to the trust document.

Am I making sense?

I would certainly hope so.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Just wondering of there is a law expert that volunteers to help Veterans? Or act in their best interests while they are poof?

I don't know about veterans in particular.

I do know that supposedly a conservatorship is supposed to do exactly that: act in the best interests of the person.

Sadly, it looks like Bob's children are following the fine example of Anthony Marshall, who subjected his mother, Brooke Astor, to filth, abuse and neglect in her late 90s.

In Anthony Marshall's case, it was his own son, Philip Marshall, who stepped up to do the right thing by his grandmother.

 

[Cubby]

And I see Anthony Marshall was convicted of grand larceny.

We should find the prosecutor who handled the Astor case and request they look at Mr. Harrod's case.


Indeed, in 78% of elder-abuse cases, the abuser is a spouse, a child or other relative of the individual, according to 2010 statistics from the Illinois Department on Aging.

http://www.investmentnews.com/article/20120513/REG/305139986

 

[tlcya]

I will be lurking. A friend turned me onto Bob's case but for now, til I feel more familiar with the details, I will lurk and read some of the old threads when I can.

 

[Cubby]

Mr. Seidemann argued that Mr. Marshall’s own age was one of the reasons he manipulated his mother, who died in 2007 at age 105, into funneling tens of millions of dollars his way. Mr. Marshall was worried that if he died before Mrs. Astor, then his wife, Charlene, would be left with nothing, Mr. Seidemann wrote.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/12/nyregion/12astor.html

Interesting, because the way I see it, the Michael's family, including AH, were likely worried if Mrs. Harrod outlived Mr. Harrod, they would be left with nothing. Disappear the man and he can't spend his own money.

Yes, I think we need to find someone to look at exactly what is happening with Bob's money and protection of HIS interest's- which appear to be contrary to his money hungry greedy offspring and their families.

 

[Cubby]

the late Brooke Astor, as her son and the family’s lawyer were tried for scheming to bilk millions of dollars from her estate.

http://www.westchester.com/news/wes...or-in-brooke-astor-case-to-speak-at-pace.html

Interesting, very very interesting. Maybe someone should take a closer look at the daughter's lawyer(s) too.

 

[Cazzie]

I'll just keep hoping that Bob is found soon, and whomever is responsible for him disappearing is found legally accountable.

Sorry, really frustrated with not being able to discuss everything. :sigh: /rant but maybe it for good of Bob.

 

[suzyq211]

I will be lurking. A friend turned me onto Bob's case but for now, til I feel more familiar with the details, I will lurk and read some of the old threads when I can.

Welcome to Bob's thread! Cant wait to hear your opinion about this case!

 

[Allusonz]

the late Brooke Astor, as her son and the family’s lawyer were tried for scheming to bilk millions of dollars from her estate.

http://www.westchester.com/news/wes...or-in-brooke-astor-case-to-speak-at-pace.html

Interesting, very very interesting. Maybe someone should take a closer look at the daughter's lawyer(s) too.

Brooke Astor led a very interesting life and had a unique outlook on life. Barbara Walters interviewed her I believe she was then in her 80's/90's.

There as well was a unique relationship between her and her son.

 

[Angelo]

I will be lurking. A friend turned me onto Bob's case but for now, til I feel more familiar with the details, I will lurk and read some of the old threads when I can.

Can't wait to hear your thoughts!

 

[believe09]

You know, we have so many newer folks...all of these documents are public information...that is my understanding. Especially the trial minutes. What if we do another FOIA request? What would everyone be most interested in seeing?

 

[tlcya]

My preliminary thoughts on this case in red

Loomis said simple logic would dictate that Bob Harrod's money would be the motive for someone to get rid of him, which would hypothetically connect Harrod's daughters to the disappearance. But Jeff Michaels' story checks out, and neither he nor any of the daughters are suspects in the disappearance, Loomis said.

Agree with author. Money is motive and a strong one. As to Jeff's alibi checking out, for me, it still does not discount one or more of the other family members although logic dictates it more likely to have been one if indeed a family member.

I guess by now you have figured out I do not believe Bob left the home of his own free will, nor do I think he lived through that whatever happened that day. Obviously LE is going to say daughters are not suspects, they have no reason beyond the money motive to believe they are. But on reading of some of their behaviors after Bob's disappearance, I must admit, a bad taste is in my mouth.

Julie and Jeff Michaels, contacted through Roberta Brady, would not comment for this story.

Add in the timing of the disappearance – when the maid was scheduled to arrive – and it makes foul play even more improbable. If the hypothetical abductor were to have waited an hour or two more, he could have acted and Bob Harrod wouldn't be missed for a day and a half, Loomis said.

Not too worried about this part. Based on the story, Bob called her earlier that day to let her know to stop by that afternoon. The article does not give a firm time she was expected so I don't see this as a huge roadblock to the theory that someone planned on disappearing this man.

If a stranger had abducted Bob Harrod, it would be necessary for that stranger to have lured Harrod out of his house. That would have been something the neighbors had noticed, Loomis reasoned, which no one did.

I do not believe this was a stranger abduction. Someone choose him specifically and for specific reasons. The idea that one cannot be lured out of their home in broad daylight without neighbors witnessing is silly to me tho, as it DOES happen, quite a bit actually

Plus, if he were snatched, why did Bob Harrod lock the front door and bring his wallet and keys?

Perhaps someone knowing the maid was due to arrive sometime that afternoon and knowing his son in law would be returning to "discover" Bob's absence wanted it to appear as if perhaps Bob left of his own free will? While we are back on the maid arriving, I actually think her being scheduled to arrive may benefit someone looking to "disappear" Bob. Think about it. Awful convenient that the son in law returns from DYI store or wherever to find the maid (witness) already waiting to "help" him discover Bob's absence and the fact that his keys and wallet were nowhere to be found.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/-214111--.html

These are just my initial impressions about this case thus far.

I should add these impressions were gained through news stories, blogs and reading some really nasty mean spirited posts on some forums elsewhere by purported daughter regarding dad's new bride.

I think perhaps the daughter(s) were threatened by dad's new relationship and wanted to stop the new bride from accessing dad's money, which they perceived as being their "due" upon his passing.

The only thing that puzzles me is why not leave a body to be found. But in this particular case, maybe they needed there not to be. Give them time to go through the courts and declare him dead, meanwhile allowing time for their attorneys to thwart any attempts to inherit by their new stepmom.

Like I said. I haven't had much time to look at this one and you guys are way ahead of me. but these are my initial impressions coming into this one.

 

[Cubby]

The only thing that puzzles me is why not leave a body to be found. But in this particular case, maybe they needed there not to be. Give them time to go through the courts and declare him dead, meanwhile allowing time for their attorneys to thwart any attempts to inherit by their new stepmom.

Like I said. I haven't had much time to look at this one and you guys are way ahead of me. but these are my initial impressions coming into this one.

Respectfully snipped.

IMO, if there were injuries on the body which would lead to a COD indicating murder, the body would have to be hidden. Perhaps it was thought by some family members they could be implicated by the actual perpetrator(s), even though they were not directly involved and were strong armed into staying quiet.

Risky, but some might choose that risk out of fear.

Personally, I do not believe this was a conspiracy planned by all 5 possible family poi's. I think 3 at best were actually involved in the planning and 2 were guilted into participating in the cover up. Either through their own guilt for their previous actions which they might assume would implicate them, or guilt from outside family members directly stating and making them believe previous actions would implicate them.