Deceased/Not Found CA - Heidi Planck, 39, left son’s football game in Downey, dog found in Los Angeles, 17 Oct 2021 #5

[?!?]

I'm not from the US, so can't understand this. What's wrong with just calling for paramedics? Or even the police if they are definitely dead? Why don't people do that?

There is a subculture here of those who have decided to live outside the law - largely made up of drug dealers and various forms of conmen and thieves. They openly despise LE of any form; they place little value on any life other than their own; fifty years ago, they'd all be in jail or have been executed. Anyone known to cooperate with LE is fair game to be killed. Similar to 'organized crime' but without the discipline needed to be organized.

 

[bears10]

There is a subculture here of those who have decided to live outside the law - largely made up of drug dealers and various forms of conmen and thieves. They openly despise LE of any form; they place little value on any life other than their own; fifty years ago, they'd all be in jail or have been executed. Anyone known to cooperate with LE is fair game to be killed. Similar to 'organized crime' but without the discipline needed to be organized.

or it could just be an addiction issue. People high on drugs may be too scared to call the cops or paramedics because they don’t want to get in trouble. Not everything is a made-for-TV true crime movie about organized criminals. Sometimes addicts do stupid things. Jmo

 

[Meligator]

This is not true though. The whole thing was 43mill and everyone more or less has been sentenced. Galanis for jail time, other people sentenced for other amounts of time but this has all been settled years ago for what we know. HPs boss JS didn’t get a criminal charge.

This was years ago and they just sued him civill which is kinda BS. He was found guilty to pay back money and not do time which is ridiculous. Is anyone finding something more or is this just more speculation?
She doesn’t hav an estate either per se. She didnt own that home she or someone else was renting it and with so many LLCs in her name registers at that address it’s very possible it was written off business wise.

The SEC only makes civil charges (JS), & refers to others for criminal investigations, if warranted. This happened with Galanis (civil SEC charges first then criminal indictment years later). There is no way to know if JS is being criminally investigated, but very possible.

 

[?!?]

The SEC only makes civil charges (JS), & refers to others for criminal investigations, if warranted. This happened with Galanis (civil SEC charges first then criminal indictment years later). There is no way to know if JS is being criminally investigated, but very possible.

Can anyone provide the SOURCE (court document images) for the claim that the charges against JS are 'settled?' TIA.

 

[DeDee]

This is not true though. The whole thing was 43mill and everyone more or less has been sentenced. Galanis for jail time, other people sentenced for other amounts of time but this has all been settled years ago for what we know. HPs boss JS didn’t get a criminal charge.

This was years ago and they just sued him civill which is kinda BS. He was found guilty to pay back money and not do time which is ridiculous. Is anyone finding something more or is this just more speculation?
She doesn’t hav an estate either per se. She didnt own that home she or someone else was renting it and with so many LLCs in her name registers at that address it’s very possible it was written off business wise.

Must have missed the SEC in NYC dropping Jason's charges. Toss a link, will ya?

I could be wrong but I do believe he still has financial amends and obligations by the millions to make. He was part of the fraud. jmho Links are posted throughout Heidi's threads.

Everyone has an estate if they're an adult. In Gabby's case, the Laundries have filed to gain access to this bank accounts rumored to contain as much as $20k as they are his heirs. Obtaining JLs assets require legal action just as it will in Heidi's case with her son.

I never once thought HP was paying rental fees out of her personal accounts but could be wrong and have been before. LLCs were paying this debt.

I do wonder about the ex-husband's claim that she didn't have much money in her banking accounts so it's possible she was living month to month, financially speaking. Why was she nearly broke?

HPs car was worth about $75k+. jmho That's money for her son's behalf as he is surely her sole heir. Funds in her bank accounts are his, too. We just need a legal declaration that HPs dead, even tho LEO have said she is, death requires to be established in the legal system.

The estate is assuming there will be no filings by corporations in which HP owes debts as they get paid first, before BW.

JMHOO ~ not attempting to spread any rumors; we have such few facts from LEO
.

 

[DeDee]

It could be lack of morality, and it could be some sort of cognitive issue, or both. I say this, b/c I have never understood people who put questionable substances in their bodies.

Amateur opinion and speculation

Right, sweet roses. For me, the will to ingest an unknown substance from questionable sources must be addiction driven.

Addictions can make one feel madness until they score that next vice, whatever it may be. Gambling. Narcotics. Sex. Alcohol. Cokes. Adrenaline rushes.

I've had an addiction to Cokes, as in Coca Colas. Hugely. Withdrawals are not fun. Everything in moderation.

The ladies we discussed who partied then were dropped off at area hospitals likely sniffed cocaine that was laced with fentanyl. However, I believe they may have been recreational users and not cocaine addicts, per say.

We do not know for sure of HPs proclivity toward taking illicit drugs. 90 or so tabs of Adderall a month would have someone feeling a certain way. Most testimonies on WS about Adderall seems most everyone takes it as prescribed without doctor shopping.
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[Jacquie1]

The SEC only makes civil charges (JS), & refers to others for criminal investigations, if warranted. This happened with Galanis (civil SEC charges first then criminal indictment years later). There is no way to know if JS is being criminally investigated, but very possible.

Especially since the FBI went into HPs home, guns drawn, expecting a crime scene.

 

[Sillybilly]

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[annpats]

Especially since the FBI went into HPs home, guns drawn, expecting a crime scene.

Yes. This.

 

[KBlackRabbit]

Here this says it all: Drug cartels flooding US with fentanyl pills that could kill you, DEA warns

Yup. Fentanyl is in fashion right now.

I think if Heidi went there for drugs, whatever she took was laced with fentanyl and that killed her. Just watching the To Catch a Smuggler and various other border patrol shows in different countries, most of the drugs they are shown to seize are either cocaine or [drug] mixed with fentanyl. It’s everywhere.

 

[everybodhi]

i agree her plans may not have been to go there, but i still maintain that most ppl at day parties arent dolled up in their faja, mini dress and heels.

I suspect the party started the night before and was still going on the next day, some parties last for days especially when stimulants are available.

 

[DeDee]

I’m ready for the Jeopardy category Waste for $1,000, please.
Chutes get cleaned and disinfected several times a year at least or at a push of a button in very new more expensive systems.
There are bags that go inside the compactors that run in size up to 350 pounds. The average per capita waste stream in the US is 4.8 pounds per day. There are 800 apartments, lets say low average occupancy 2. 1600 x 4-.8= 7,680 lbs or over 3.5 tons of trash a day! Not including events, catering etc.
Here’s a great diagram of Chute to
Compactor to Container. No pallets or dumpster needed.
.https://www.wastecare.com/Products-

Services/Compactors/Trash_Compactors/Compactors_High_Rise_Compacting_Systems/Trash_Chute_Compactors_with_Steel_Containers.htm

This is a good site with short training videos for chutes, laundry chites, compactors,….. actually interesting and very brief.
Trash Chutes | Wilkinson Hi-Rise
When the compacted bags are taken to the landfill they are buried basically in layers of gravel, sand, and compacted again!
To conduct a search the grid area is excavated, materials are moved to a control area and the forensic teams sift the dirt, open the bags, comb through it all like archeologists or forensic anthropologists.
That’s why the photos look like litter. It’s the torn open, shredded bags.
…While his expertise is landfills, the NecroSearch staff of 55 includes botanists, archaeologists, anthropologists, geologists, geophysicists, hydrologists and entomologists. “We have search experience and a drone expert who is also a photographer for National Geographic,” he said.
Landfill architecture is the source of a degree in some universities. The subterranean structure is built in layers of liners, clay and gravel, which must be moved before a search commences, Reed said.“
Reposted:
Landfill expert weighs in on search for Kelsey Berreth's body | News | gazette.com

I adore this post so much! We could be friends in real life.

Yes! Inarguably! This part you wrote: (rsbbm)

To conduct a search the grid area is excavated, materials are moved to a control area and the forensic teams sift the dirt, open the bags, comb through it all like archeologists or forensic anthropologists.
That’s why the photos look like litter. To conduct a search the grid area is excavated, materials are moved to a control area and the forensic teams sift the dirt, open the bags, comb through it all like archeologists or forensic anthropologists.
That’s why the photos look like litter. It’s the torn open, shredded bags.
…While his expertise is landfills, the NecroSearch staff of 55 includes botanists, archaeologists, anthropologists, geologists, geophysicists, hydrologists and entomologists. “We have search experience and a drone expert who is also a photographer for National Geographic,” he said.
Landfill architecture is the source of a degree in some universities. The subterranean structure is built in layers of liners, clay and gravel, which must be moved before a search commences, Reed said.“
Reposted:
Landfill expert weighs in on search for Kelsey Berreth's body | News | gazette.com
…While his expertise is landfills, the NecroSearch staff of 55 includes botanists, archaeologists, anthropologists, geologists, geophysicists, hydrologists and entomologists. “We have search experience and a drone expert who is also a photographer for National Geographic,” he said.
Landfill architecture is the source of a degree in some universities. The subterranean structure is built in layers of liners, clay and gravel, which must be moved before a search commences, Reed said.“
Reposted:
Landfill expert weighs in on search for Kelsey Berreth's body | News | gazette.com

Priceless information there! I have two archeologists, geologists in the immediate family, one holds his Master's. They are simply fascinating people. Birds are dinosaurs, ya know.

 

[MsBetsy]

Yup. Fentanyl is in fashion right now.

I think if Heidi went there for drugs, whatever she took was laced with fentanyl and that killed her. Just watching the To Catch a Smuggler and various other border patrol shows in different countries, most of the drugs they are shown to seize are either cocaine or [drug] mixed with fentanyl. It’s everywhere.

I don't think it's everywhere because it's in fashion. I think it's used for economical reasons. It's much cheaper to cut drugs like heroin, oxycodone, etc, with fentanyl. The greed outweighs any concern for people overdosing and dying, apparently.

The problem is it is extremely potent and there's no way to regulate how much ends up in each pill. Many people have no idea there could be fentanyl in a pill they bought from a dealer or a friend, imo

I know Heidi's ex husband said she used to use prescription Adderall, but did he say she ever bought street pills?

Or is the only source that Heidi overdosed at a party from a woman on SM?

 

[?!?]

I don't think it's everywhere because it's in fashion. I think it's used for economical reasons. It's much cheaper to cut drugs like heroin, oxycodone, etc, with fentanyl. The greed outweighs any concern for people overdosing and dying, apparently.

The problem is it is extremely potent and there's no way to regulate how much ends up in each pill. Many people have no idea there could be fentanyl in a pill they bought from a dealer or a friend, imo

I know Heidi's ex husband said she used to use prescription Adderall, but did he say she ever bought street pills?

Or is the only source that Heidi overdosed at a party from a woman on SM?

IIRC JW never used the term 'street pills,' but did say she shopped among three doctors in order to exceed her prescribed amount.

On your last question, there is an answer out there, but it's not on an 'approved' site.

 

[IceIce9]

I'm not from the US, so can't understand this. What's wrong with just calling for paramedics? Or even the police if they are definitely dead? Why don't people do that?

A family we know well lost their 16 year old daughter because the two older kids (18 year olds) she was drinking with were afraid they would get in trouble. When the 16 year old passed out and they couldn’t wake her up, they were afraid their parents would find out they had been drinking so they put her in bed. In the morning she was dead.

This was a beautiful 16 year old girl, she went on vacation with us a few years before and she was a delight.

If the two other kids would have called for help she wouldn’t have died.

 

[Lillymac]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but we're talking about street drugs. Whether one has a prescription or not, the ones being purchased from a dealer are street drugs and not what the doctor prescribed.
Has JW ever said the reason HP gave him for leaving her 11 year old son's ball game? Did she even tell him she was leaving?
And did anyone miss the fact that a child, the supposed informer's child, was at this 'event'.
Did JW contact her job and asked if they'd seen her? I can't remember.
So many things are not right about the first few days of HP's being out of touch. So many things you would normally do. Like be concerned and not waiting until she didn't show up at the school. Her son was concerned because she wasn't responding to texts he sent her. But no one went to check.
I think they're all dysfunctional and I am running out of sympathy. Except for the child and I can't imagine what he's going thru and has gone thru his whole childhood.
This case is nothing like ever seen. MOO

 

[Tmw821]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but we're talking about street drugs. Whether one has a prescription or not, the ones being purchased from a dealer are street drugs and not what the doctor prescribed.
Has JW ever said the reason HP gave him for leaving her 11 year old son's ball game? Did she even tell him she was leaving?
And did anyone miss the fact that a child, the supposed informer's child, was at this 'event'.
Did JW contact her job and asked if they'd seen her? I can't remember.
So many things are not right about the first few days of HP's being out of touch. So many things you would normally do. Like be concerned and not waiting until she didn't show up at the school. Her son was concerned because she wasn't responding to texts he sent her. But no one went to check.
I think they're all dysfunctional and I am running out of sympathy. Except for the child and I can't imagine what he's going thru and has gone thru his whole childhood.
This case is nothing like ever seen. MOO

Heidi told jw she was leaving. Jw has made it clear Heidi was not abusing her meds. JW had told us they were concerned bit tried not to overthink it. Less than 3 days later when Heidi did not show up for her scheduled pick up, they went straight to the police. Tbh, he employer should have been concerned on Monday, before her ex was on Wednesday!

 

[NCWatcher]

Heidi told jw she was leaving. Jw has made it clear Heidi was not abusing her meds. JW had told us they were concerned bit tried not to overthink it. Less than 3 days later when Heidi did not show up for her scheduled pick up, they went straight to the police. Tbh, he employer should have been concerned on Monday, before her ex was on Wednesday!

I wasn't aware "Jw has made it clear Heidi was not abusing her meds." When did he do that? The only claim I've seen about her prescribed meds was from JW in an older court filing published by the DM.

"Wayne said his ex-wife was addicted to the amphetamine, Adderall. He claimed she would go to three different doctors so she could get three separate prescriptions, making sure she always paid for two of them in cash so her abuse wouldn't be discovered."

Missing mom Heidi Planck had history of psychotic breakdown | Daily Mail Online

That filing was from 2015. We don't know if it was true at the time. DM did not publish HP's 2015 response and we certainly don't know if what he claimed about HP & Adderall was true in 2021. But I've not seen JW discussing Heidi's current use of drugs. Maybe I just missed it? Anyone have a link handy?

Re: whether JW or JS should have reported HP missing sooner....

We don't really know anything about Heidi's day-to-day performance as an employee during the years she worked for JS's company. If she never missed work, or always called in on the rare occasions she wasn't going to come in, and if the company had strict expectations about workplace attendance (even during COVID), then I would think her employer might have been concerned. But if she wasn't quite that reliable (personally I suspect she may not have been) and the company wasn't so strict (personally I suspect it wasn't) then as her employer, I certainly wouldn't call LE about a work absence.

So far as JW goes, he had reason to suspect something was wrong pretty quickly. He said HP was usually in contact with him when he had BW. He said it was odd HP had stopped responding to BW's texts on Sunday, the 17th. And she had no more contact with BW after that. He said that had never happened before.

If I had been JW, I definitely would have acted sooner. I wouldn't necessarily have called the police though--- Adults are allowed to be out of contact and LE is busy. It was also possible LE might have located HP in an embarrassing or illegal situation.

If I were JW, I at least would have checked her house & if I didn't have a key (likely JW didn't) & BW didn't either (seems less unlikely-- he was days away from turning 11 at the time), I would have at least checked to see if her car was at her house. What if she was inside the house and had fallen & couldn't get up? I also would have checked with her friends.

It's not clear JW did anything before the 20th even though BW was freaking out. I know they were divorced and had had alot of conflict that played out in the legal system. But they had been co-parenting BW while separated/divorced (one way or the other) for over 8 years. So I'd expect action from JW long before I would JS. But it sounds like JW had his hands full filing court papers about BW's custody and pointing fingers at JS. He even seemed to think JS should have hired a private investigator to look for HP and should have offered a reward. I'm not sure anyone should expect that of an employer these days.

Missing Heidi Planck's boss - under investigation for $43M fraud - drops off MUFFINS at her door | Daily Mail Online
JMO

 

[MsBetsy]

IIRC JW never used the term 'street pills,' but did say she shopped among three doctors in order to exceed her prescribed amount.

On your last question, there is an answer out there, but it's not on an 'approved' site.

He did say she got prescriptions from more than one doctor. That's different than using illicit drugs since you know what you're getting. There's not going to be a random pill with a lethal amount of fentanyl.

I was just wondering if there was any truth to the claim that she would buy illicit drugs.

I'm also curious how many years ago she allegedly obtained prescriptions for a controlled substance from more than one doctor. The prescription drug monitoring program has been around for a long time. Most states use an electronic data base that tracks prescriptions. It makes it very difficult for patients to fill more than one script for the same drug.

As to my last question, I'm just asking if there is compelling evidence that Heidi collapsed from a fentanyl overdose. If the source is not credible I assume the answer is no? If she was seen walking the dog at 6:20 pm and the dog was found inside at 7:00 pm, then whatever happened must have occurred within a 40 minute period.

If she was planning on going to a party in the building, why bring her dog? Did she bring the dog to the game?

 

[NCWatcher]

He did say she got prescriptions from more than one doctor. That's different than using illicit drugs since you know what you're getting. There's not going to be a random pill with a lethal amount of fentanyl.

I was just wondering if there was any truth to the claim that she would buy illicit drugs.

I'm also curious how many years ago she allegedly obtained prescriptions for a controlled substance from more than one doctor. The prescription drug monitoring program has been around for a long time. Most states use an electronic data base that tracks prescriptions. It makes it very difficult for patients to fill more than one script for the same drug.

As to my last question, I'm just asking if there is compelling evidence that Heidi collapsed from a fentanyl overdose. If the source is not credible I assume the answer is no? If she was seen walking the dog at 6:20 pm and the dog was found inside at 7:00 pm, then whatever happened must have occurred within a 40 minute period.

If she was planning on going to a party in the building, why bring her dog? Did she bring the dog to the game?

I agree it's much harder to get multiple prescriptions for drugs than it was in 2015. (2015 is when JW made those claims in a court filing. They were phrased as a current concern then.) Lots of things have changed since 2015. That doesn't mean the claims JW made in 2015 were true, of course. But it is harder to get drugs by doctor shopping today. That may lead some people to buy "off the street" who wouldn't have before. An unintended consequence of tighter prescription tracking.

HP did take the dog to the game. Some people have suggested the dog might have separation anxiety and can't ever be left alone. I guess that's possible but we really don't have any evidence of that. And if that's the case, what did she do with him while she worked? Did she have full-time dog care? Reliable dog sitters can be hard to find and dogs with separation anxiety usually aren't comforted by the presence of any old human. Also though, in my limited experience, dogs with separation anxiety often are generally anxious dogs. So they aren't necessarily great to take places like games with lots of cheering and arm/hand waving.

I guess if HP planned to be out until later in the evening, if she didn't have a doggie door at her house she might have taken the dog with her particularly if she had a dog sitter at the H&F. But we really don't have evidence of any of that either. At most, I think there have been multiple reports HP & her dog were known at the H&F. Those multiple reports could have originated from a single source though.
JMO