CA - Rebecca Zahau Nalepa - suicide or murder? #10

[jjenny]

What positive reports? I did not see any. I must have missed those. Everything that I saw said that he was severely injured and in very critical condition. It took 25 minutes to restart his heart.

Presumably San Diego County Sheriff's Department would know since they put it into their power point presentation. It's on the website.

 

[SunnieRN]

The first emotion a parent will feel when their child is gravely injured and on life support can vary, fear, grief, anger. But within those first emotions, is always denial. Denial is very difficult to set aside. Even if tests had been run, I do not see a man with the wealth and power of JS accepting that diagnosis so quickly. Denial is what gives us hope in hopeless situations, whether that hope is founded or unfounded.

If ems had to work 25 minutes to restart Max's heart, this means that even if Max was intubated, oxygen was most likely not being delivered to the brain effectively. For all intents and purposes a brain will 'die' within approx. 5-10 minutes, without oxygen. After 25 minutes, most likely with compressions, some blood may have reached Max's brain, but sporadically at best. This means Max would have been brain damaged at best and brain dead upon arrival to the hospital at worst.

What surprises me is that with two parents involved, that the termination of life support would have occurred so quickly. I was saying this early in the threads, but with the timeline of testing taken, I commend JS and DS in their ability to make such a horrifying decision as quickly as they did.

I guess what I am trying to say, is that I don't think the phone call at 12:50 would have relayed a significant change in Max's condition. I think that it could have been an angry phone call, it could have actually been someone else on JS phone, or it could have been a depressed, crying, heartbroken father. I do not think it was to report a change in condition.

 

[jjenny]

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I guess what I am trying to say, is that I don't think the phone call at 12:50 would have relayed a significant change in Max's condition. I think that it could have been an angry phone call, it could have actually been someone else on JS phone, or it could have been a depressed, crying, heartbroken father. I do not think it was to report a change in condition.

And yet the power point presentation (prepared by San Diego County Sheriff's Department) clearly suggests the message was just that. Of course there is no way to check what it actually was since it was erased.

 

[belimom]

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlin...friend-warns-he-might-sue-her-familys-lawyer/

Jonah Shaknai threatens to sue Anne Bremner's law firm.

(I'm still back on thread 9 trying to catch up, but when I did a search for photos this story came up as being 10 minutes ago.)

I had a good friend who lived on Coronado growing up. I know the place well.

Thanks for posting... It was posted earlier today, but it's worth bringing up again, IMO.

(Both families are suffering and I think taking legal action is a little premature at this point. But that's JMO)

 

[elementry]

Jjenny, of course she was. She was on her side after hanging herself and her body, unlike all other bodies, decided to do it's own thing and make it look as if the livor mortis was posterior. It's just like when AS did CPR on Rebecca without unbinding her hands and placing her flat on her back. Rebecca must have been an extremely special individual for all of these things to be able to occur to her that is not possible in anyone else.

Sorry, just tired of all the lies and coverup that the LE and now apparently JS are doing to make this just "go away". Rebecca deserves for the truth to be told even if it makes someone elses life a little uncomfortable!

I wonder if HLN and JVM and NG and DP will all be getting Cease and Desist orders from the Chicago attorney, if they continue to discuss murder scenarios floating out there. Would Sitrick want their client in multiple C&D cases, all of which will keep the questionable issues front and center regardless?

 

[jstwondering]

What do you think about this 'voice mail message'? Was it ever left? Was it a good night message? Or do you think it was what JS said it was?

or was it an intentional alibi? I was at the hospital... see the voice-mail that I left at this time from the hospital 20 minutes away?
IMO

 

[Pach]

the only good reason why Rebecca's family lawyer was making all those accusations was to drum up publicity or propaganda to help re-open the case. Otherwise, she may cause more harm than good to the case.

I wonder if there are any excellent lawyers out there who will do this Pro-Bono(free) ? the case will sure give them free publicity....A lot of big law firms have a pro-bono department where they volunteer for deserving cases.

 

[elementry]

I agree that the lividity noted in the AR doesn't fit.

By the time the ME performed the autopsy, the lividity was fixed. The AR stated it was posterior.

Since she lay on the ground for 12+ hours, tilted toward her left side, the lividity should have pooled on her left posterior side, since that was the lowest side of her body, IMO.

Maybe the ME will be committing suicide if this thang unravels.

 

[Morag]

The picture was NOT manipulated. It is taken directly from the video footage on CBS8 July 13: pause at 29 seconds, take a screen shot and enlarge:
http://www.cbs8.com/story/15075598/...oCatNo=default&clipId=6051226&redirected=true

Thanks for the link. This is huge. Why is there not a photograph of the scene as it was when LE arrived? I can't, right off hand, think of any reason why the rope should have been moved while the crime scene was still being processed. Even if, for some odd reason, AS ran upstairs and pulled the rope up....that should have been mentiioned in the report. Another item for AB's list of anomalies.

 

[deanna82437]

I wonder if HLN and JVM and NG and DP will all be getting Cease and Desist orders from the Chicago attorney, if they continue to discuss murder scenarios floating out there. Would Sitrick want their client in multiple C&D cases, all of which will keep the questionable issues front and center regardless?

Time will tell, I guess. So far, Vinnie Politan is only covering the MJ and CM case.

 

[katydid23]

The first emotion a parent will feel when their child is gravely injured and on life support can vary, fear, grief, anger. But within those first emotions, is always denial. Denial is very difficult to set aside. Even if tests had been run, I do not see a man with the wealth and power of JS accepting that diagnosis so quickly. Denial is what gives us hope in hopeless situations, whether that hope is founded or unfounded.

If ems had to work 25 minutes to restart Max's heart, this means that even if Max was intubated, oxygen was most likely not being delivered to the brain effectively. For all intents and purposes a brain will 'die' within approx. 5-10 minutes, without oxygen. After 25 minutes, most likely with compressions, some blood may have reached Max's brain, but sporadically at best. This means Max would have been brain damaged at best and brain dead upon arrival to the hospital at worst.

What surprises me is that with two parents involved, that the termination of life support would have occurred so quickly. I was saying this early in the threads, but with the timeline of testing taken, I commend JS and DS in their ability to make such a horrifying decision as quickly as they did.

I guess what I am trying to say, is that I don't think the phone call at 12:50 would have relayed a significant change in Max's condition. I think that it could have been an angry phone call, it could have actually been someone else on JS phone, or it could have been a depressed, crying, heartbroken father. I do not think it was to report a change in condition.

BBM

We actually agree on something. :crazy:

I think the call was a report of a change in his attitude, not a change of the child's condition. I think he held onto hope until perhaps this evening. But I believe that the child was brain dead from the start,and it took this long for JS to somewhat accept this horrible situation.

I think he called RN and unloaded some of his pent up grief,anger, fear and resentment upon her by voice mail. I think he defended her for years to his ex-wife, who highly disliked her and did not want her in charge of her little boy. So now JS was in the ICU with his ex, and hearing her intense anger and possible tirades of ' I told you so."

 

[Pach]

As long as they are careful is not accusing anyone or in specifically naming suspects, or if they name a suspect, they do so in a rational manner devoid of malice, I don't any reason in these shows not discussion the topic. That would already be an unwarranted free speech violation.

I wonder if HLN and JVM and NG and DP will all be getting Cease and Desist orders from the Chicago attorney, if they continue to discuss murder scenarios floating out there. Would Sitrick want their client in multiple C&D cases, all of which will keep the questionable issues front and center regardless?

 

[IWannaKnow]

But didnt they say he landed on his face so hard that it whipped his neck backwards? I would thnk the face would have the most abrasions.

IMO

That is true, he did land the last time on his face, so that would have the most damage. But my point was that if you took both reports and compared them, Rebecca would have more abrasions, contusions and lacerations that Max and that makes zero sense given the fact that she allegedly went off the balcony for a straight drop down and there were not solid, hard objects underneath for her to hit. You can not consider the plants the same as a crystal chandelier, a hand rail and a cement floor and LE neither proved nor mentioned that she struck the balcony railing or the wall.

 

[SunnieRN]

And yet the power point presentation (prepared by San Diego County Sheriff's Department) clearly suggests the message was just that. Of course there is no way to check what it actually was since it was erased.

Last I heard, such a statement to LE was hearsay. Sheesh, my head hurts!!:twocents:

 

[elementry]

Well, and how much weight does a lie detector test hold if we don't know the questions, and if we assume that LE or Attorney were looking for positive results?

Questions could have been
Do you know JS?
Do you have a bad relationship with NZ?
Did you harm MS?
etc.

In a conspiracy/LE cover-up scenario, could it be that those paid off or otherwise influenced or whatever were not going so far as to falsify, but merely permitting to the crime scene to become compromised, present the credulous if thin suicide scenario, then let it be debunked and re-open it, but - alas - too late! The evidence will never be able to be reclaimed such as it was in its initial states. So it's like half a cover-up but not the whole way. Sure, some LE heads would roll as a result, but for incompetence and not as criminal accessories after the fact.

 

[SunnieRN]

BBM

We actually agree on something. :crazy:

I think the call was a report of a change in his attitude, not a change of the child's condition. I think he held onto hope until perhaps this evening. But I believe that the child was brain dead from the start,and it took this long for JS to somewhat accept this horrible situation.

I think he called RN and unloaded some of his pent up grief,anger, fear and resentment upon her by voice mail. I think he defended her for years to his ex-wife, who highly disliked her and did not want her in charge of her little boy. So now JS was in the ICU with his ex, and hearing her intense anger and possible tirades of ' I told you so."

Or he ate dinner, was exhausted, fell asleep and someone else used his phone to leave Rebecca a voice mail, when she didn't answer.

Also, we both agree on something else. We want the truth to come out!

 

[jjenny]

Thanks for the link. This is huge. Why is there not a photograph of the scene as it was when LE arrived? I can't, right off hand, think of any reason why the rope should have been moved while the crime scene was still being processed. Even if, for some odd reason, AS ran upstairs and pulled the rope up....that should have been mentiioned in the report. Another item for AB's list of anomalies.

Well we do have a policeman "onefoot" boot print right there on the balcony. What was he doing up there? I personally don't think it looks good for the investigation when they are presenting foot prints as evidence no one else was on the balcony and yet there is a boot print (from a policeman) right there.

 

[Quester]

Re: MS' fall

I’m beginning to believe that the only way we’re going to know the truth, or some of the truth, about what happened leading up to and causing MS’ fall is if we hear the 911 recording.

That recording could also clear up who was at the mansion at the time of MS' fall and the identity of the “hysterical” caller.

MOO

Note: I haven’t finished reading the autopsy report so if any of the above is definitively and satisfactorily answered, please let me know. TIA

 

[deanna82437]

I wonder if HLN and JVM and NG and DP will all be getting Cease and Desist orders from the Chicago attorney, if they continue to discuss murder scenarios floating out there. Would Sitrick want their client in multiple C&D cases, all of which will keep the questionable issues front and center regardless?

Come to think of it, I've had HLN on all day, though not watching continuously, and don't think this case has been mentioned at all. You may be on to something. They are doing a lot of coverage of the jury selection right now. Perhaps later. :waitasec:

 

[jstwondering]

In a conspiracy/LE cover-up scenario, could it be that those paid off or otherwise influenced or whatever were not going so far as to falsify, but merely permitting to the crime scene to become compromised, present the credulous if thin suicide scenario, then let it be debunked and re-open it, but - alas - too late! The evidence will never be able to be reclaimed such as it was in its initial states. So it's like half a cover-up but not the whole way. Sure, some LE heads would roll as a result, but for incompetence and not as criminal accessories after the fact.

Brilliant Post, Elementry! IMO
I've had lots of experience with sociopaths, or pathological liars, if you prefer, and they always have a bit of the truth in their statements. Their lies "could be" true, so that when confronted, they can turn on a dime and produce another lie. Most statements have multiple meanings, and then there is always, "oh you misunderstood what I said... What you must have heard was this, what I meant was this." It's fascinating. Your scenario above seems to me, exactly what is happening.