CANADA Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #18

[dotr]

Not to forget the Night Walker, re post.
This former detective thinks suspect's distinct walk could be 'subterfuge' | Sherman murders - YouTube 15, 2021

night walker, sherman murder - Bing images

 

[juli99]

Not to forget the Night Walker, re post.
This former detective thinks suspect's distinct walk could be 'subterfuge' | Sherman murders - YouTube 15, 2021

night walker, sherman murder - Bing images

There are some good aerial videos of the house spliced into this interview. I'm wondering when they are from? Police cars parked out front. Lots of snow on the patio.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

There are some good aerial videos of the house spliced into this interview. I'm wondering when they are from? Police cars parked out front. Lots of snow on the patio.

There are. I wonder when they filmed it? From dotr’s link:

The neighbour maybe was doing construction in the home? And the Shermans’ front driveway was heated and that appears to be off, imo.

 

[juli99]

Has there been any commentary on the sculpture beneath the spiral staircase in the basement? It appears at 3:23 in this video. The only reason it caught my eye is the "leash." I had said before the belts seemed to be used in a way that would resemble a leash.

 

[Window21]

Has anyone wondered how much the NW got paid, if in fact he was the killer? With a 10 million reward out there, it makes me think the killer could have been paid millions to do the job.
If there was no "hit man" you would think someone would come forward just to claim the reward. JMO

 

[dotr]

Has there been any commentary on the sculpture beneath the spiral staircase in the basement? It appears at 3:23 in this video. The only reason it caught my eye is the "leash." I had said before the belts seemed to be used in a way that would resemble a leash.

Well i commented in an earlier thread, that it reminded me of a sheep led by neck to slaughter.

 

[newclues]

Has anyone wondered how much the NW got paid, if in fact he was the killer? With a 10 million reward out there, it makes me think the killer could have been paid millions to do the job.
If there was no "hit man" you would think someone would come forward just to claim the reward. JMO

If the NW was paid much, then the reward would have to be increased to get someone really talking. Sometimes there are no takers because the incentive reward amount is not high enough such as when trying to get someone to take over a car lease. Is 10 million a lot compared to the billions they have?

 

[newclues]

Well i commented in an earlier thread, that it reminded me of a sheep led by neck to slaughter.

It is interesting that these sculptures were in the front basement hobby room while their bodies were posed somewhat directly at the back in the basement pool area. Is it a coincidence that the real estate picture showing the pool may be showing the exact railing that they were attached to by belts?
Did someone see this picture and think that this would be the best place to stage their bodies?
Also, were these sculptures shown in any of the real estate pictures?

 

[newclues]

It is interesting that these sculptures were in the front basement hobby room while their bodies were posed somewhat directly at the back in the basement pool area. Is it a coincidence that the real estate picture showing the pool may be showing the exact railing that they were attached to by belts?
Did someone see this picture and think that this would be the best place to stage their bodies?

That was just a coincidence. I actually was responding to KW’s post, but deleted it.

Is KW and any other family members on here?

 

[dotr]

Is KW and any other family members on here?

KW is a verified insider on Ws and posts on this thread.

 

[juli99]

I've been trying to read about criminal profiling of killers. Does anyone know if any work has been done to profile the killer? I know the prevailing theory is that it was a hitman, but I think there could still be value in trying to profile the killer.

I believe from what I've read, that the killer was organized rather than disorganized. This basically is the difference between someone who plans carefully vs someone who has no plan. Along with a lot of other traits.

In this journal article, they state that an organized killer "may report an angry state of mind prior to the murder and admit to being calm and relaxed after the crime."

Crime Scene and Profile Characteristics of Organized and Disorganized Murders | Office of Justice Programs

I believe the footage of the Night Walker is from after the crime. He appears to be walking fast, but does not seem agitated at all. I wonder if we were to be shown footage of him from before the crime, would his emotional state appear different? Would this help support the theory that the Night Walker is indeed the killer?

 

[Betty P]

I've been trying to read about criminal profiling of killers. Does anyone know if any work has been done to profile the killer? I know the prevailing theory is that it was a hitman, but I think there could still be value in trying to profile the killer.

I believe from what I've read, that the killer was organized rather than disorganized. This basically is the difference between someone who plans carefully vs someone who has no plan. Along with a lot of other traits.

In this journal article, they state that an organized killer "may report an angry state of mind prior to the murder and admit to being calm and relaxed after the crime."

Crime Scene and Profile Characteristics of Organized and Disorganized Murders | Office of Justice Programs

I believe the footage of the Night Walker is from after the crime. He appears to be walking fast, but does not seem agitated at all. I wonder if we were to be shown footage of him from before the crime, would his emotional state appear different? Would this help support the theory that the Night Walker is indeed the killer?

There are verified former and current members of LE here at WS. I'll see if I can get one of them to provide a profile. I asked him to look at the case a while back, but he said he doesn't usually comment on cases in other countries because the laws are different. He might give some feedback on the killer, though.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

There are verified former and current members of LE here at WS. I'll see if I can get one of them to provide a profile. I asked him to look at the case a while back, but he said he doesn't usually comment on cases in other countries because the laws are different. He might give some feedback on the killer, though.

If there’s anyone familiar with staging and what it may mean that would also be very helpful here.

 

[dotr]

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2018
For a ‘Family Estate Within the City,’ Torontonians Turn to the Bridle Path (mansionglobal.com)
''The neighborhood is home to many "global citizens with business interests around the world, and the vast majority are entrepreneurs," Mr. Vermast said.

"The Bridle Path attracts a huge international market," Mr. Molloy said. "It’s very much a multicultural neighborhood." He noted that international buyers, including families from Hong Kong, Indian, Iran and Russia, are often looking at homes in the neighborhood because of their sense of privacy and sprawling lots. ''

 

[Lexiintoronto]

It is interesting that these sculptures were in the front basement hobby room while their bodies were posed somewhat directly at the back in the basement pool area. Is it a coincidence that the real estate picture showing the pool may be showing the exact railing that they were attached to by belts?
Did someone see this picture and think that this would be the best place to stage their bodies?
Also, were these sculptures shown in any of the real estate pictures?

The photos we’re posting of the sculptures are realtor photos.

I think you make a good point about the sculpture and pool photo perspective. The killer staged the bodies in a specific way, so possibly he’s a visual person who wanted to create that image of them. (Connected to the arts in some way?)

The perspective of the pool photo may have been shot that way because it captures the room and at the far back there’s a mural on the wall. But I do think the killer saw the photos and floor plans of the home.

 

[branmuffin]

We don't know if the camera(s) there


Assuming that is the structure, the loans do not disappear if BS were to pass away. I am not arguing that. My point is we don't know the specific terms of the loans made to FDA. While I agree it might be unusual to have the loans forgiven in certain situations, it is frankly even MORE unusual that the loans were ever made to FDA in the first place. I don't think he had commercial or private lenders lined up to provide him funding for his projects. We don't know the terms of the loans, and/or their repayment requirements. And we don't know if these loans have subsequently been repaid or perhaps forgiven. It is entirely possible that the loans were made to an entity jointly owned by FDA and BS and that entity had a key man insurance policy that paid out in the event of the death of one of the two shareholders. We just don't know. So we cannot definitively say what the state of the loans is/are. Frankly, AFAIK there has been no press indicating that FDA is in financial difficulty, so I would be surprised if his allegedly significant indebtedness to BS and/or related companies has been repaid.

My personal opinion is that BM did not loan money to FDA but treated their endeavors as a collaborative effort. Barry bankrolled the projects that FDA dreamed up. He truly believed that the films that FDA made had opportunities for wide distribution. BS had ample opportunity to sue FDA during all the failures of his business dealings but he didn't. BS was Yin to FDA's Yang. And they developed a true friendship that transcended business dealings. Something that JS found hard to stomach.

 

[juli99]

But I do think the killer saw the photos and floor plans of the home.

This is a really good point. Do we know what date these were posted online to the public? I think it's usually the date the house goes up for sale. If so, it could be that the details of the murder were only solidified after that date.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

My personal opinion is that BM did not loan money to FDA but treated their endeavors as a collaborative effort. Barry bankrolled the projects that FDA dreamed up. He truly believed that the films that FDA made had opportunities for wide distribution. BS had ample opportunity to sue FDA during all the failures of his business dealings but he didn't. BS was Yin to FDA's Yang. And they developed a true friendship that transcended business dealings. Something that JS found hard to stomach.

That’s a question I have about investing in a movie. It seems it’s risky as it has to be a commercial success in order to profit or even get their investment returned.

All of FDA’s movies seem to tanked. Complete bombs. You can write off business losses, but how many times can you do that with the same person on many films?

 

[branmuffin]

Do you mean the killer put it there? Or she somehow threw it into the bathroom?

There were shiny marble floors everywhere in that house on the ground floor. Honey could have been making her way outside to escape intruders when she was overcome by the killers. During the scuffle she dropped her phone and it slid into the bathroom under the door even if it was closed.

 

[branmuffin]

That’s a question I have about investing in a movie. It seems it’s risky as it has to be a commercial success in order to profit or even get their investment returned.

All of FDA’s movies seem to tanked. Complete bombs. You can write off business losses, but how many times can you do that with the same person on many films?

It was a labour of love. He actually believed in FDA. BS was not a demonstrative person but I think he felt true affection for FDA and it was reciprocated sincerely. BS wasn't just an ATM with an unending supply of cash. They really enjoyed their time together. I think it's one of the reasons that JS tried to have BS declared incompetent because he was extremely jealous of the relationship between BS and FDA.