CANADA Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #18

[ldlager]

Off the top of my head. Who am I missing?

Who benefits if they live:
Builders
Charities
Apotex
FDA (continued support from Barry)
JK (keeping his job)
HS sister (if it's true HS promised her money)
The children (if they love their parents and don't want them to die)

Who benefits if they die:
The children and their spouses (financially)
KW (possibly, BS would have enforced that $300,000 judgment had he lived)
AP (by virtue of his business relationship with JS being financially boosted, potentially)
Competitors (if they felt Apotex would fail somehow without BS)

not sure where JD would fit on the list. I guess he would benefit most of BS lived

 

[ldlager]

Off the top of my head. Who am I missing?

Who benefits if they live:
Builders
Charities
Apotex
FDA (continued support from Barry)
JK (keeping his job)
HS sister (if it's true HS promised her money)
The children (if they love their parents and don't want them to die)

Who benefits if they die:
The children and their spouses (financially)
KW (possibly, BS would have enforced that $300,000 judgment had he lived)
AP (by virtue of his business relationship with JS being financially boosted, potentially)
Competitors (if they felt Apotex would fail somehow without BS)

not sure where JD would fit on the list. I guess he would benefit most of BS lived

Off the top of my head. Who am I missing?

Who benefits if they live:
Builders
Charities
Apotex
FDA (continued support from Barry)
JK (keeping his job)
HS sister (if it's true HS promised her money)
The children (if they love their parents and don't want them to die)

Who benefits if they die:
The children and their spouses (financially)
KW (possibly, BS would have enforced that $300,000 judgment had he lived)
AP (by virtue of his business relationship with JS being financially boosted, potentially)
Competitors (if they felt Apotex would fail somehow without BS)

Re who benefits if they die- this would only apply to BS dying. Not HS. I think MS would benefit if they both died if she believed she was being left $300-$500 million in HS will.
So I think the short list as to who would benefit financially if they both died is-kids and spouses, KW, AP, and MS.

 

[ldlager]

Sherman family interest in real estate was quite substantial, and these private companies wouldn’t have been included in the probated will/estate files released.

“Relatives pop up in the records of Sherman’s non-Apotex ventures held through “Sherm”-prefixed companies—including Shermco Inc., Sherfam Inc., Sherfam Industries Inc., Sherfam Holdings Inc.—as well as Bernard C. Sherman Limited and numerous trusts and private foundations. The Shermans’ real estate holdings—apartment buildings, condos, commercial properties, rumoured private islands—were held via Sherfam Inc., Signet Realty and Weston, Fla.-based Sherm Realty, as well as trusts. At one point, Sherman owned Deerhurst Inn, an Ontario resort, but sold it after failing to obtain a casino licence. Just months before he was killed, he partnered with a prominent Toronto developer to provide $61.5 million in financing for the most buzzed-about condominium project in the country: The One, an 85-storey structure to be built at the corner of Yonge and Bloor….”.
Endless court battles, angry relatives and shady players: the truth about Barry Sherman

The One is being developed by Sam Mizrahi- I have written about him previously, and he has been associated with some very very very nasty individuals. Recently the building has been in the news as Apple pulled out of the development (Apple store) and Mizrahi and Apple are in court.

 

[juli99]

not sure where JD would fit on the list. I guess he would benefit most of BS lived


Re who benefits if they die- this would only apply to BS dying. Not HS. I think MS would benefit if they both died if she believed she was being left $300-$500 million in HS will.
So I think the short list as to who would benefit financially if they both died is-kids and spouses, KW, AP, and MS.

This raises an interesting point. Who had knowledge of what was in the will? Speculation about benefiting from their deaths is different from knowing for certain what you are getting.

 

[casesensitive]

not sure where JD would fit on the list. I guess he would benefit most of BS lived


Re who benefits if they die- this would only apply to BS dying. Not HS. I think MS would benefit if they both died if she believed she was being left $300-$500 million in HS will.
So I think the short list as to who would benefit financially if they both died is-kids and spouses, KW, AP, and MS.

Honey and her sister Mary were best friends their entire lives. They were business partners in real estate deals. The worst thing that could happen to Mary financially was Honey dying, which would be the end their joint business. Obviously, Honey was the partner who had the funds to invest, but there is no suggestion that the sisters had a problem in business, or on a personal level.

Any claim by Mary that Honey was going to give her $$$ came after Honey was dead. True or not, Mary had a lot to lose with her sister dying, including this promise from Honey.

A reality check---does anyone really believe that Honey's sister and best friend would have Honey and Barry killed in such a horrific way for a possible financial benefit in Honey's will? There is motive and there is the savage way the killer(s) executed the deaths. I hope Mary isn't reading this thread.

 

[juli99]

Honey and her sister Mary were best friends their entire lives. They were business partners in real estate deals. The worst thing that could happen to Mary financially was Honey dying, which would be the end their joint business. Obviously, Honey was the partner who had the funds to invest, but there is no suggestion that the sisters had a problem in business, or on a personal level.

Any claim by Mary that Honey was going to give her $$$ came after Honey was dead. True or not, Mary had a lot to lose with her sister dying, including this promise from Honey.

A reality check---does anyone really believe that Honey's sister and best friend would have Honey and Barry killed in such a horrific way for a possible financial benefit in Honey's will? There is motive and there is the savage way the killer(s) executed the deaths. I hope Mary isn't reading this thread.

I would never consider HS' sister a suspect. The lists were just an objective view of who would benefit vs. who would not. Not about who would actually want to kill them for that benefit. For example, Alex is on the list of "benefit if they die" but I would never consider her a suspect either.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

dbm

 

[ldlager]

Honey and her sister Mary were best friends their entire lives. They were business partners in real estate deals. The worst thing that could happen to Mary financially was Honey dying, which would be the end their joint business. Obviously, Honey was the partner who had the funds to invest, but there is no suggestion that the sisters had a problem in business, or on a personal level.

Any claim by Mary that Honey was going to give her $$$ came after Honey was dead. True or not, Mary had a lot to lose with her sister dying, including this promise from Honey.

A reality check---does anyone really believe that Honey's sister and best friend would have Honey and Barry killed in such a horrific way for a possible financial benefit in Honey's will? There is motive and there is the savage way the killer(s) executed the deaths. I hope Mary isn't reading this thread.

The list was not accusing anyone, simply identifying who would and would not potentially benefit financially from the tragic murders of the Shermans.
Do we believe LE interviewed MS and the others on the list and verified their respective alibis for that night? If so, then each one of them could reasonably be considered a POI.

 

[MistyWaters]

I would never consider HS' sister a suspect. The lists were just an objective view of who would benefit vs. who would not. Not about who would actually want to kill them for that benefit. For example, Alex is on the list of "benefit if they die" but I would never consider her a suspect either.

Financially benefited maybe but I don’t think I can be said anyone benefits from suddenly losing two people they loved, especially due to a devastating murder. I’m sure the void has not yet closed for them and it’s always an additional hardship when their private lives get thrown into the spotlight. JMO

 

[dotr]

"Family is the only real wealth"
This Matters | Daily News Podcast: Kevin Donovan discusses the Sherman family’s succession battle on Apple Podcasts
''The battle over the multibillion dollar estate of Barry and Honey Sherman is something worthy of Shakespeare or HBO’s “Succession.” From business to charitable pursuits, the children of the Shermans are in a bitter dispute over how to manage their fortune. Kevin Donovan, chief investigative reporter at The Star, has been investigating this case since the December 2017 double homicide and wrote the book “The Billionaire Murders.” He joins “This Matters” to detail what happened to the Sherman family and fortune, and gives an update on the investigation.''

 

[Window21]

Wow! Thanks Dotr, this was VERY interesting!
They said on this podcast that none of the children talk to MS and they don't want anything to do with her. Then they said she was renting a storage unit for years from JS, and she failed to pay her rent so JS kicked her out! Unreal, and harsh!

Many interesting things were discussed. KD is almost certain the cops know who is responsible for these murders but just don't have all the evidence to prove it.

Very interesting, it is worth listening to

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Wow! Thanks Dotr, this was VERY interesting!
They said on this podcast that none of the children talk to MS and they don't want anything to do with her. Then they said she was renting a storage unit for years from JS, and she failed to pay her rent so JS kicked her out! Unreal, and harsh!

Many interesting things were discussed. KD is almost certain the cops know who is responsible for these murders but just don't have all the evidence to prove it.

Very interesting, it is worth listening to

It is a great interview.

It sounds harsh, but I agree with JS, she was taking advantage of him, imo. She was asked to pay for the service, but declined. She could have sold the items or moved them to one of the many homes she owns that were bought with Barry’s money.

She could have chosen to be helpful to the Sherman children after the murders (head the charity they asked her to run) but by her own admission she instead chose to continue to ask for money and have them continue to support her lifestyle. She complained to the Star when they didn’t.

She even charged a family vacation to Disneyland to the Sherman heirs after the murders without their permission. It’s outrageous.

 

[deugirtni]

not sure where JD would fit on the list. I guess he would benefit most of BS lived


Re who benefits if they die- this would only apply to BS dying. Not HS. I think MS would benefit if they both died if she believed she was being left $300-$500 million in HS will.
So I think the short list as to who would benefit financially if they both died is-kids and spouses, KW, AP, and MS.

The way I understood what was reported, was that MS was to receive these funds when H received them, while she was alive, not upon her death... if she had to wait for H to die before receiving those monies, she herself may have been very aged and unable to enjoy those funds. jmo.

 

[deugirtni]

not sure where JD would fit on the list. I guess he would benefit most of BS lived


Re who benefits if they die- this would only apply to BS dying. Not HS. I think MS would benefit if they both died if she believed she was being left $300-$500 million in HS will.
So I think the short list as to who would benefit financially if they both died is-kids and spouses, KW, AP, and MS.

And how would KW have been able to know ahead of time, that he would benefit if both H&B were dead? Did he know that $300K court order would NOT be pursued for collection by the adult children? So for me, that leaves kids, spouses... and I think AP benefitted no matter what. imo.

 

[WINDSOR]

What if the motive was pure personal revenge instead of just money?

Okay, Revenge for what though?

 

[deugirtni]

Okay, Revenge for what though?

And if revenge... why BOTH of them.. and why the 'staging'.. and why the 'apparent' (successful?) attempt to lead police to wrongly believe M/S? I understand that the public isn't privy to all of those who may have possibly felt vengeful toward the Sherman couple.. ie the builders, et al, involved in the construction of Old Colony house.. potentially tenants of dwellings the Shermans owned (if they were known as joint landlords?).. perhaps like MS mentioned, someone who felt slighted by rude remarks (but by both B&H??).. one charity perhaps being bypassed for whatever reason... etc etc etc.. but for all of those, and whatever others people can conjure up as possibilities.. what would be the reason for, not only the apparent attempt to mislead police, but also the weird staging... why not just do it as quickly as possible, leave the bodies where they fell, and get the hay out of there as quickly as possible? If they wanted to hide the motive of vengeance, why not make it appear to be a home invasion, or a robbery?

 

[juli99]

It is a great interview.

It sounds harsh, but I agree with JS, she was taking advantage of him, imo. She was asked to pay for the service, but declined. She could have sold the items or moved them to one of the many homes she owns that were bought with Barry’s money.

She could have chosen to be helpful to the Sherman children after the murders (head the charity they asked her to run) but by her own admission she instead chose to continue to ask for money and have them continue to support her lifestyle. She complained to the Star when they didn’t.

She even charged a family vacation to Disneyland to the Sherman heirs after the murders without their permission. It’s outrageous.

If I were the kids, I'd actually feel kind of guilty no money went to the sister. That was HS closest relative and good friend. I'd think the least JS could do was give her some free storage. JMO.

But, I haven't heard those other stories. I listened to the podcast, but all they mentioned was the storage locker. It sounded to me like Barry was giving Honey a free locker? I didn't really understand that part. They said it was "an agreement that Barry left behind."

 

[newclues]

In som

And if revenge... why BOTH of them.. and why the 'staging'.. and why the 'apparent' (successful?) attempt to lead police to wrongly believe M/S? I understand that the public isn't privy to all of those who may have possibly felt vengeful toward the Sherman couple.. ie the builders, et al, involved in the construction of Old Colony house.. potentially tenants of dwellings the Shermans owned (if they were known as joint landlords?).. perhaps like MS mentioned, someone who felt slighted by rude remarks (but by both B&H??).. one charity perhaps being bypassed for whatever reason... etc etc etc.. but for all of those, and whatever others people can conjure up as possibilities.. what would be the reason for, not only the apparent attempt to mislead police, but also the weird staging... why not just do it as quickly as possible, leave the bodies where they fell, and get the hay out of there as quickly as possible? If they wanted to hide the motive of vengeance, why not make it appear to be a home invasion, or a robbery?

In the lawsuits, relating to their house, both BS and HS were named as plaintiffs. Most of those who had to pay declared bankruptcy which means that they couldn't pay. Thus, the others who didn't declare bankruptcy had to pay the hefty amount back (or not charge them for what they did). Someone did not want them to benefit from the sale of their house which they may have thought was theft or ill-begotten through their lawsuit. Their killing in the house would render the house unsaleable especially if it was done before anyone bought it. The staging appears to have been done to throw people off by making look like a m/s and to make BS look bad as if he killed HS. It may have been done to bring their family some extra pain and suffering. The house inspection report with BS's (black?) gloves on it could symbolize what he may have been murdered over. (IMO)

 

[deugirtni]

In som

In the lawsuits, relating to their house, both BS and HS were named as plaintiffs. Most of those who had to pay declared bankruptcy which means that they couldn't pay. Thus, the others who didn't declare bankruptcy had to pay the hefty amount back (or not charge them for what they did). Someone did not want them to benefit from the sale of their house which they may have thought was theft or ill-begotten through their lawsuit. Their killing in the house would render the house unsaleable especially if it was done before anyone bought it. The staging appears to have been done to throw people off by making look like a m/s and to make BS look bad as if he killed HS. It may have been done to bring their family some extra pain and suffering. The house inspection report with BS's (black?) gloves on it could symbolize what he may have been murdered over. (IMO)

According to the research I have done by way of Canlii documents, only one of the parties filed for bankruptcy, and that was done before the Shermans even commenced their lawsuit, likely before the Shermans even noticed they had issues. As well, this individual seemed very far removed from being liable for any aspect of building faults, imho. Most of the parties settled, meaning it is likely their insurance companies settled on their behalves, imho. Only a couple of the companies did not settle, and I didn't see any hugely negative impact on them ... just my interpretation from all of the docs.

 

[deugirtni]

And how would KW have been able to know ahead of time, that he would benefit if both H&B were dead? Did he know that $300K court order would NOT be pursued for collection by the adult children? So for me, that leaves kids, spouses... and I think AP benefitted no matter what. imo.

I find it very interesting that the family seems to be letting any debts go uncollected from KW and family, according to KD. Even after years and years of legal battles and I'm sure a huge amount of Sherman money spent on legal fees to defend themselves.. and for the purpose of... KW and family wanted a large sum of money....... but meanwhile.... it seems that H's best friend/sister/business partner/aunt-to-the-adult-children/mother-of-their-cousins, seemed to be entirely blacklisted, even to the point of kicking her out of her storage locker which B had reportedly allowed her to use at no charge.... and purportedly, because the sister told the family she was promised to receive $300K(oops) $300M, much less that KW's fam was asking for. And for JS to seemingly take such pleasure in removing her, as to actually show up on site that day... does this suggest perhaps a bit of a vengeful type of personality? imo.