CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered at Home, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #24

[WINDSOR]

I believe Andrew Liss, is four years younger than Jonathon, but I have no idea if his physical stature corresponds to the NW.

Other than revenge, what possible motive could Andrew Liss have?

We know he was familiar with the Sherman house, but was he in Toronto at the time of the murders.

 

[dotr]

Police investigating Barry and Honey Sherman’s murders accepted odd limits sought by executors

How the family business empire decided what police could and could not see in the wake of the mysterious double murder.

www.thestar.com

''In his interview, Liss told police that several years before, he and his then-boyfriend Jonathon had approached Barry with some business ideas. Barry liked one. A deal was struck where, as Liss later detailed to homicide detectives, Barry provided $50 million for Liss to build and sell homes. The caveat, according to Liss, was that Jonathon could not be involved (Barry wanted Jonathon to work at Apotex, Liss said).
The deal came crashing down in August 2016. Liss, as it turned out, knew nothing about building and selling homes. Barry stepped in and sold two homes that were being worked on by Liss. “I lost millions,” Barry told Liss.
For the next year, Barry paid Liss a “monthly stipend” (the police documents do not say how much). Those payments ended in July 2017.''

 

[fadedglitter]

Re: October 7, 2023…Mary is the only person I’m aware of who specifically connected the murders to the Shermans’ support for Israel. The unsealed portions of the ITOs have summaries of her comments. To me, they are unconvincing.

 

[newclues]

Here is an interesting website: Honey & Barry Sherman Legacy Foundation
Here is an important video:

 

[ldlager]

Quote from an Article in the Toronto Sun today about the ongoing 28 year old JonBenet Ramsey case investigation (my bolding added):
“…The police comments came as part of their annual update on the investigation, a month before the 28th anniversary of JonBenet’s killing. Police said they released it a little earlier due to the increased attention on the case, apparently referring to the three-part Netflix series “Cold Case: Who Killed JonBenet Ramsey…
In a video statement, Boulder Police Chief Steve Redfearn said the department welcomes news coverage and documentaries about the killing of JonBenet, who would have been 34 this year, as a way to generate possible new leads.

Wouldn’t it be wonderful if the TPS treated the Sherman case the same way….annual updates, and welcoming inquiries and news coverage….

 

[kiwi50]

Hypothetical question if i may..
Had the Shermans been alive after Oct 7, 2023, would that change anything, would they still be murdered?
Jan. 14, 2022

Relative believes 'someone was making a statement' in murder of Barry and Honey Sherman, unsealed documents show

A cache of unsealed documents related to the murder of Barry and Honey Sherman is revealing new details about the investigation into the deaths of the Toronto billionaire couple, including an interview with one relative who believes 'someone was making a statement' in their killings.

toronto.ctvnews.ca

Yes I sometimes think it’s only us posters at Websleuths and Kevin Donovan who want this case solved.

 

[Window21]

When was our last update from KD?
We are nearing the anniversary of their death. I wonder if there will be any updates from KD or the police?

 

[Lexiintoronto]

When was our last update from KD?
We are nearing the anniversary of their death. I wonder if there will be any updates from KD or the police?

According to AB, he was in court on the 28th and she was going to attend. I think the last article was about Barry telling Honey she was abusive.

 

[Kerry Winter]

According to AB, he was in court on the 28th and she was going to attend. I think the last article was about Barry telling Honey she was abusive.

It was adjourned to sometime in January. I filed an affidavit with the Toronto Star lawyer consenting to Justice Pringle releasing the 3 hr Q+A with Detective B. Price,
According to Donovan’s text:
Kerry. Your affidavit has caused quite a stir in crowns office. They have requested an adjournment to January. They want to have a reply with case law as to whether this has ever been done. I have consented as I think it is worth a short wait before arguments. I will keep you posted. Frank is also going to do an affidavit and will file that shortly.

Not surprised!

 

[Lexiintoronto]

It was adjourned to sometime in January. I filed an affidavit with the Toronto Star lawyer consenting to Justice Pringle releasing the 3 hr Q+A with Detective B. Price,
According to Donovan’s text:
Kerry. Your affidavit has caused quite a stir in crowns office. They have requested an adjournment to January. They want to have a reply with case law as to whether this has ever been done. I have consented as I think it is worth a short wait before arguments. I will keep you posted. Frank is also going to do an affidavit and will file that shortly.

Not surprised!

If you’re possibly a POI I don’t see how they can release it.

 

[Window21]

It was adjourned to sometime in January. I filed an affidavit with the Toronto Star lawyer consenting to Justice Pringle releasing the 3 hr Q+A with Detective B. Price,
According to Donovan’s text:
Kerry. Your affidavit has caused quite a stir in crowns office. They have requested an adjournment to January. They want to have a reply with case law as to whether this has ever been done. I have consented as I think it is worth a short wait before arguments. I will keep you posted. Frank is also going to do an affidavit and will file that shortly.

Not surprised!

What was Franks affidavit? Is it to release his interviews as well?
Thanks for the info.

 

[fadedglitter]

It was adjourned to sometime in January. I filed an affidavit with the Toronto Star lawyer consenting to Justice Pringle releasing the 3 hr Q+A with Detective B. Price,
According to Donovan’s text:
Kerry. Your affidavit has caused quite a stir in crowns office. They have requested an adjournment to January. They want to have a reply with case law as to whether this has ever been done. I have consented as I think it is worth a short wait before arguments. I will keep you posted. Frank is also going to do an affidavit and will file that shortly.

Not surprised!

Do you believe police lied to you during the interview? I’m struggling to understand what could be in the transcript that you haven’t already explained at length. Your theory of the crime and the supporting facts are well known.

My concern is that there could be things in the transcript that dox you or otherwise could cause you harm. Because you have not seen the transcript, you might not be aware of everything in it. You might have forgotten, for example, giving the detective your home address or speaking of unrelated things you’d prefer to keep private.

 

[Maumau1616]

I believe Andrew Liss, is four years younger than Jonathon, but I have no idea if his physical stature corresponds to the NW.

Other than revenge, what possible motive could Andrew Liss have?

We know he was familiar with the Sherman house, but was he in Toronto at the time of the murders.

Based on Liss' social media he is not at all built like the NW. MOO.

 

[Maumau1616]

edit: removed duplicate post

 

[fadedglitter]

Based on Liss' social media he is not at all built like the NW. MOO.

You can’t tell much about how a person is built when they’re wearing winter clothing. Height would be a better way to figure out if a person could be the NW.

 

[dotr]

When was our last update from KD?
We are nearing the anniversary of their death. I wonder if there will be any updates from KD or the police?

Noting, fwiw..rbbm.
November 29, 2024

Hit man offered $100,000 to kill Montreal crime reporter covering his trial

Political leaders and press freedom groups on Friday were left shell-shocked after Montreal news outlet La Presse revealed that a hit man had offered $100,000 to have one of its crime reporters assassinated.

www.cp24.com

''Convicted killer Frédérick Silva, who turned police informant in 2022, had confessed to issuing the murder contract on investigative reporter Daniel Renaud, La Presse said.''
''Education Minister Bernard Drainville, who in 2021 was working in radio, said Renaud had been a guest on his show. “If this journalist, who is very rigorous, had his life threatened … you can’t help but think of other journalists who investigate crime," he said.''

 

[fadedglitter]

KD has previously been asked if he’s concerned about being harmed because of his coverage. Murdering a journalist seems unhelpful but I may not have the mindset required to arrange a hit.

I don’t believe the “hit man” theory at all, particularly the variation that makes the WM a hit assistant who was helping the mastermind with the on-site work and tragically placed the entire operation at risk by not using the mastermind’s superior entry and exit route that evades detection. But perhaps I’m not accounting for human irrationality. What if the mastermind arranged a hit but then decided to involve himself on site later? Under this scenario perhaps the mastermind decided late in the game that he wanted to be there to see it all go down. This fits with the theory that the staging was a decision made in the moment. I don’t think of hit men as being particularly artistic or impulsive but perhaps the mastermind is impulsive and didn’t want to walk away from bodies left where they died. Nor did he want to hear about it later.

As I type, this feels like a stretch.

I keep trying to find a way to make the “hit man” theory make sense but I just can’t get there. Mossad of all services seems particularly unlikely to go after the Shermans, and they’re cited most frequently when the idea comes up.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

It was adjourned to sometime in January. I filed an affidavit with the Toronto Star lawyer consenting to Justice Pringle releasing the 3 hr Q+A with Detective B. Price,
According to Donovan’s text:
Kerry. Your affidavit has caused quite a stir in crowns office. They have requested an adjournment to January. They want to have a reply with case law as to whether this has ever been done. I have consented as I think it is worth a short wait before arguments. I will keep you posted. Frank is also going to do an affidavit and will file that shortly.

Not surprised!

What are you scheming?

 

[ldlager]

What are you scheming?

I suspect Price said in the interview that he felt it was a M/S. Which was later disproved by pathologist findings.

 

[ldlager]

I suspect Price said in the interview that he felt it was a M/S. Which was later disproved by pathologist findings.

Correction: I suspect that KW believes that Price said in the interview that he felt it was a M/S. Which was later disproved by pathologist findings.