CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lily Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #2

[jules23]

Our Websleuths member tlcya will be our guest to discuss the Sullivan case.

the Globe and Mail reported that the school bus driver last saw the children when they dropped them off at the end of the driveway on April 29

 

[MerlinFalcon]

Regarding coyotes, I live in Toronto and they are all over our neighbourhoods. A few weeks ago friends of mine were at an enclosed dog park and one coyote came within 50 feet of the park. The dogs were going crazy. People then saw 2 more coyotes further back. We’ve also seen the skeleton of a deer in the same area in the past.

Having said all that, I don’t feel in my gut that animals were involved.

 

[tlcya]

this may have been posted but if so I missed it. More from Daniel.

“I’m fighting to stay awake at this point. I’m just so drained,” he said. “But the fight goes on. Fight will always go on.”
[snip]
“I talked to the last of RCMP in the area that I’ve seen. They were at Lansdowne Lake and they told me they scoured the lake with divers and [used] sonar [technology] in the lake and there’s no evidence at all. I don’t know what to think. If they were in this area, they would have found them. My family is still searching, and we’re never going to give hope. We’re going to continue to look, and probably continue to look for the rest of my life,” he said.

[snip - on the social media comments]
“I just try not to read it. It’s just opinions of people that don’t know absolutely anything. They don’t know what’s going on,” he said. “Driving by slowly, some people stop. Some people snap pictures. People just almost have no respect.”
[snip]

“I don’t know [what to think] at this point,” he said. “It’s hard to stay positive because I’m just not hearing anything positive.

“I’m working closely with the RCMP and major crime units. Trying to get everything we can, all the information. Those guys have been really good to work with.”
Search for missing N.S. kids reaches one-week mark

 

[Ghostwheel]

Is the boyfriend?

I haven't seen anything regarding that. I just remember reading about Jack and Lily's mom being with the "band" (I assume that is like "tribe") and made the assumption that she was Sipekne’katik First Nation as her children were. I could be wrong, now that I think of it. And I can't find the article where I read that.

So Jack and Lily are Sipekne’katik First Nation. I don't know if anyone else is or how or if that affects anything. I mentioned it because sometimes it does matter as to how a case is handled.

 

[ttjo]

this may have been posted but if so I missed it. More from Daniel.

“I’m fighting to stay awake at this point. I’m just so drained,” he said. “But the fight goes on. Fight will always go on.”
[snip]
“I talked to the last of RCMP in the area that I’ve seen. They were at Lansdowne Lake and they told me they scoured the lake with divers and [used] sonar [technology] in the lake and there’s no evidence at all. I don’t know what to think. If they were in this area, they would have found them. My family is still searching, and we’re never going to give hope. We’re going to continue to look, and probably continue to look for the rest of my life,” he said.

[snip - on the social media comments]
“I just try not to read it. It’s just opinions of people that don’t know absolutely anything. They don’t know what’s going on,” he said. “Driving by slowly, some people stop. Some people snap pictures. People just almost have no respect.”
[snip]

“I don’t know [what to think] at this point,” he said. “It’s hard to stay positive because I’m just not hearing anything positive.

“I’m working closely with the RCMP and major crime units. Trying to get everything we can, all the information. Those guys have been really good to work with.”
Search for missing N.S. kids reaches one-week mark

In the moms interview SHE said SHE heard the kids playing, and then after 20 min noticed the quiet . She asked him do you hear the kids and he said no. Did he also say he heard the kids playing in the next room or was it just her?
I know he said Lilly came in the room a few times, but what time was that? how close was it to when they disappeared?

 

[callmehenry]

The bit where he says ‘… probably continue to look for the rest of my life…’ That stuck out and it bothers me for some reason

 

[iamshadow21]

The bit where he says ‘… probably continue to look for the rest of my life…’ That stuck out and it bothers me for some reason

It speaks of a finality of their absence, a certainty that they won't be found, which is unusual at this stage of a missing child investigation.

MOO

 

[IzzyBlanche]

It speaks of a finality of their absence, a certainty that they won't be found, which is unusual at this stage of a missing child investigation.

MOO

What you said.

 

[moonrise]

Just brainstorming ... With all that clutter in the yard, I wonder if the children climbed into some kind of container-like item, like maybe an old refrigerator, and then couldn't get out? <modsnip>

I hope they are found soon.

 

[Little Jack]

The bit where he says ‘… probably continue to look for the rest of my life…’ That stuck out and it bothers me for some reason

I'm not sure it bothers me considering the police have already said they dont think the children are alive? In that context does it seem that strange of a remark ?

 

[sunspun]

But that isn't the only door in the house.

True, but I thought they meant it was the only door they could have gone out of that they wouldn't hear. They would've known if they'd used the front door because it makes noise, unlike their slider. Imo

 

[sunspun]

And closed it behind them? I don't recognise that as little kid behaviour.

Well, they said they weren't in the house, so they must have gone out some door or another, so what's the alternative?

 

[tlcya]

Usually, the next thing is once you know the age group is we can look at some basic statistics like how far do four- to six-year-olds typically go when they get lost … Half of four- to six-year-olds are going to be found within … a half a kilometre away.

So 75 per cent [of children] are 1.2 kilometres away.… If you want to go far enough to find 95 per cent then there's a dramatic jump because you're now starting to get into more outliers and that number is 6.6 kilometres away, which dramatically increases your search area.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/missing-person-expert-lansdowne-station-search-1.7531338

 

[Peanut0927]

True, but I thought they meant it was the only door they could have gone out of that they wouldn't hear. They would've known if they'd used the front door because it makes noise, unlike their slider. Imo

It’s possible that’s the only option they could’ve gone out is the sliding door if the other doors were still locked from the inside like in the case of needing a key to lock from the outside or before leaving which it’s doubtful the kids would do if they aren’t even known to close the sliding door behind them.

 

[appleatcha]

Well, they said they weren't in the house, so they must have gone out some door or another, so what's the alternative?

I don't mean to speak for the person you're replying to, but IMO, the only alternative that assumes the stepdad is being truthful is that an adult (a 3rd party, for example) closed it behind them.

Personally, I don't currently have an opinion on whether the children remembered to close the door while leaving, someone else closed it, or they were never there to open/close it at all.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I'm not sure it bothers me considering the police have already said they dont think the children are alive? In that context does it seem that strange of a remark ?

It didn't seem like a strange remark to me at all, especially because of what LE has already made pretty clear. More than anything, it sounds like a grief stricken parent.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I don't mean to speak for the person you're replying to, but IMO, the only alternative that assumes the stepdad is being truthful is that an adult (a 3rd party, for example) closed it behind them.

Personally, I don't currently have an opinion on whether the children remembered to close the door while leaving, someone else closed it, or they were never there to open/close it at all.

Regarding the bolded above, I couldn't disagree more.

I assume the step-dad is being truthful in both instances:

1. that the kids were constantly being reminded to close the door
2. the day they went missing, they went through that door and they remembered to close it

The statement that the kids were always being reminded to close the door doesn't automatically mean they never closed it.

 

[FansBlowing]

Since Maleyha was told to leave by Daniel's mother, then I think it is safe to say that the mother owns all of the property. Pretty nice of grandma to move out of her house and into an RV so that her son and family could have the bigger dwelling.

 

[ttjo]

I found this statemnt about what the step dad heard the morning they disappeared.

Martell said that while he and their mother, Malehya Brooks-Murray, were in the bedroom with their one-year-old daughter, Lily came in and out several times, and Jack could be heard in the kitchen.

Would you take that to mean he heard them himself or was told Jack could be heard in the kitchen.? If you ask how did he know that was jack, maybe it's because he could hear him when lily was coming in and out of the room.
My as well also point out the things that make me think he is not suspicious. He could have just said we heard them playing, but he added that detail. I'm no behavior panel but Im feeling like we have to be careful of confirmation bias.

source:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/missing-children-pictou-county-lily-jack-sullivan-1.7527613

 

[Scrutineer]

I've been following this as a Canadian, and from everything I've read it sounds like an accident plain and simple. I don't know how many of you have been to Truro, Nova Scotia, but I have family property in Cape Breton and we always drive through this community (and stopped there once overnight).

It's small-town Nova Scotia, which is to say it is very rural. Their house opens directly into wilderness. It makes total sense that these kids just wandered off while their parents were distracted. I grew up on a similar property in rural Ontario with my younger brother, and we were always roaming around the woods.

The kids have been missing a while, in the woods during spring when it can get incredibly cold at night here in Canada. The wilderness is not a safe place here, and that might be contributing to any finality from parents, relatives, or the police.