CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lily Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #2

[Skigh]

On the Friday they would have had to get up and call the school.If not, the school would call them.I live in a different school district, but wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a province wide rule.

It is possible that the school were informed on Thursday that the children would not be in school on either the Thursday or Friday. A couple of days off and then the weekend to fully recover before returning to school on the Monday.

 

[lisette]

I don’t think we can assume that CPS has the child instead of the mom… I think he would just have to go through CPS to be able to see the child… But I could be wrong. Maybe she is not in the custody of the mother either.

 

[AIGT]

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I think it is important to note that the 16 month old is at child protective services specifically. If he is correct in thinking that’s where it is.

The law in Nova Scotia emphasizes culturally appropriate services and placement with family or community members when possible for indigenous children. It seems that wasn’t not taken into consideration when taking over care of the child from the mother who is indigenous.

 

[FansBlowing]

Why did his friend have to drive him to CPS? Does he not have a car?

 

[AIGT]

Police are looking for a possible abduction here.

"He adds that police are looking at the wireless router in the home, to see who connected to the internet at what times."

In my opinion - When trying to put things together from Martell’s statements he tends to give info on a police action and then follow it up with a statement that is self serving. I would put less stock in his follow ups.

“They’re checking the router” then “they want to see who else connected to it”

“CPS won’t let me see the kid” then “only because they need to keep a tight leash on things”

Says the police interviewed him for 4 hours then follows up by saying they know he’s telling the truth.

There are many more like this. Almost every time he speaks.

My point about this is that I wouldn’t draw any conclusion to what and why police are doing things based on Martell saying why they are doing things.

 

[Chimera]

@AIGT : Wait, so, , the baby/toddler is with CPS, and not mom ?

I assumed when the mom cut off contact with the stepdad, the baby M. was with her ?
Imho, I don't see how this helps anyone.
Fwiw, if I was the dad of the baby, I'd be upset to be barred from seeing her.
If CPS is not allowing contact, that's a whole 'nother ball of wax, though.
Wonder why they're doing this ?
He is not a suspect or anything, and it sounds like he's been cooperative.
Imo.

 

[Chimera]

Police are looking for a possible abduction here.

"He adds that police are looking at the wireless router in the home, to see who connected to the internet at what times."

If so... why look at the families' internet router, though ?

That wouldn't tell LE if a stranger took them.
Imo.

 

[branmuffin]

I am all over the place with this one. One minute I think Stepdad is just a very worried father figure who is worried sick about his stepkids. The next I feel he is overexplaining and presenting himself as the one who cares about finding the children most, above all others.

Mom leaving the area temporarily can easily be explained as either LE telling her to do so because of the argument that is said to have taken place Saturday or if the land is owned by Daniel's mother she says who stays or goes. But to then block your partner and not speak to him again, when he occupies the property from which your children went missing? I'm having a harder time with that.

The fact that he is so very vocal and she is so very silent troubles me. There may be a perfectly reasonable explanation but I am having a hard time with that.

Also if as Daniel states her family thinks "I did it" I wonder why. Maleyah and Daniel both indicate they were together, in the room, saw/heard Lily and heard Jack. Until they didn't. Does MBM's family disbelieve her as well as DM since they both pretty much tell the same story? If they disbelieve it from him does that mean they also disbelieve her?

ETA as to BBM DID WHAT?

A lot of people automatically think that a boyfriend may not be fully engaged in looking after his stepkids. Lots of times, that's okay because the kids have a dad already, so they leave the disciplining or looking after the kids to the mom. Problem is, here on WS we've been reminded over and over again, that that isn't always the case because some moms are more interested in showing their new boyfriend love than their own children and end up being an accomplice in their children's disappearance or deaths. Or are completely unaware of the danger their children are in with their new boyfriends. In this case, the missing children are not only his stepchildren after being with their mother for three years, they are also half-siblings of the toddler so the family connection is greater.

I struggle with the environment these children live in. Their home appears to be a veritable minefield of dangerous and decaying objects strewn around the property. It makes me wonder just how child-proofed the interior is. I also wonder whether the mom feels a lot more pressure regarding the issue of the missing children being members of a First Nation Band. Plus the public perception combined with the historical aspect of missing and murdered aboriginal children and women. There is statistical evidence of greater harm to children within that demographic because of generational trauma that has left a stain on Canada so she fears her children may be taken from her.

Statistics Canada report shows more Indigenous children in care

According to data from the 2021 census, Statistics Canada says more Indigenous children are in care and more have issues with safe housing.

www.aptnnews.ca

 

[AIGT]

@AIGT : Wait, so, , the baby/toddler is with CPS, and not mom ?

I assumed when the mom cut off contact with the stepdad, the baby M. was with her ?
Imho, I don't see how this helps anyone.
Fwiw, if I was the dad of the baby, I'd be upset to be barred from seeing her.
If CPS is not allowing contact, that's a whole 'nother ball of wax, though.
Wonder why they're doing this ?
He is not a suspect or anything, and it sounds like he's been cooperative.
Imo.

CPS hasn’t confirmed it as far as I have seen but the dad is under the belief that’s where it is.

In my opinion it is strange that he is publicly downplaying it being with CPS instead of being outraged that he hasn’t done anything wrong and now has lost three kids.

 

[Sarahlou]

@AIGT : Wait, so, , the baby/toddler is with CPS, and not mom ?

I assumed when the mom cut off contact with the stepdad, the baby M. was with her ?
Imho, I don't see how this helps anyone.
Fwiw, if I was the dad of the baby, I'd be upset to be barred from seeing her.
If CPS is not allowing contact, that's a whole 'nother ball of wax, though.
Wonder why they're doing this ?
He is not a suspect or anything, and it sounds like he's been cooperative.
Imo.

They've not named him as one no, but it doesn't mean they're not treating him as one behind the scenes.
Everyone close to those kids will be being looked at.

 

[branmuffin]

Welcome to websleuths fellow Canadian.
Although I don’t live in Nova Scotia, I have visited the area. And, I agree some houses do open up directly to the wilderness. However, in this situation, I personally do not think that Lily and Jack just wandered off. And, as indicated this is my personal opinion and at this point it just doesn’t make perfect sense to me. In fact, not much is making sense.

The best of Canada’s search and rescue crews in conjunction with well trained RCMPs, search attempts have proven futile. The RCMP have doubled back and are searching closer to their home, which may be more fruitful, but I honestly don’t know. The lake was scoured yesterday, and no evidence of Lily and Jack.

I agree with you regarding the finality perspective but to me it is not the weather or the woods, which is contributing to my perception. I do think someone knows something and I hope they will have the personal strength to share what they know.

And again, this is my opinion and perceptions only.

When I heard just how difficult the terrain is to maneuver with fallen trees, swamp, and rock outcrops causing injuries to the professional search team I couldn't past the idea that those kids should have been much closer to their home than what I imagined.

 

[branmuffin]

Not that the RCMP have officially indicated regarding a home/property search warrant. But, if one hasn’t been executed I am sure it will be. There was some rumbling about it on sm.
I am not particularly getting the back story either.

I lived in Toronto when Lizzie Tomlinson went missing. Almost every place within a half mile radius, the cops came knocking at the door and asked politely if they could look around. Everyone I spoke to said yes, me included. Fast forward several years later when my own daughter was temporarily 'missing' because I forgot she had won a prize at school which entailed going to a movie with other kids who sold a whole bunch of cookies or something, I forget which. I called the cops in a panic because when I called her friends they said they hadn't seen her after school. The biggest red flag for me was when I called one friend who said she wasn't in school all day, meaning HER not my daughter and I freaked out because I misinterpreted her words. The cops came, sat me down and while one was taking all the salient details of her appearance, two cops cops casually looked around in the basement, in the back garden, in the bedrooms. So I presume that occurred when these officers arrived on the scene.

 

[FansBlowing]

Another possible predator. Big cats like this will grab their prey, run away with it, and drag it up into the trees. At least that's what I have seen from African wildlife videos. I remember one of the reports saying that logging trucks drive by the house all day long, so they could be displaced from all that activity.

"Nearly all report seeing a large cat-like animal, tawny to black in color with a long, curved tail. Of special interest is the unusually high number of black or melanistic cougars reported in the province. Black cougars have been reported 42 times in Nova Scotia and 49 times in New Brunswick."

"The eastern cougar is known by many names-panther, painter, puma, mountain lion, or caracjou. It is officially listed as an endangered species by the Committee on the Status of Endangered Wildlife in Canada (COSEWIC) and receives full protection in Nova Scotia."

"Among predators this mysterious and elusive cat is second only to the bear in size and can reach 2.2 m (7 ft.) in total length and weigh 90 kg (200 Ibs.)."

"From 1948 to 1971 evidence from 220 cougar reports from New Brunswick and 26 from Nova Scotia were documented."

"On the strength of these estimates in 1977 the Canadian Wildlife Service initiated a process to formally document cougar sightings in the Maritime region. Since that time over 425 reports from Nova Scotia and New Brunswick have been filed. Over 265 of these reports are from Nova Scotia, with the majority reported from the eastern half of the province."

"Cougars are loners-except during breeding or when mothers are accompanied by their kittens. Hunting is done over a territory of about 80-100 kM (30-40 sq. mi)."

The Eastern Cougar in Nova Scotia | Natural Resources and Renewables | Government of Nova Scotia

 

[jillybean51]

To report a safe arrival or absence for Salt Springs Elementary, parents can use the SafeArrival system, which includes a toll-free number, a mobile app, and a website. The automated system will also notify parents if an absence is not reported in advance, as mentioned in the SafeArrival App - Bible Hill Consolidated.

Here's how to report a safe arrival or absence:

• Toll-Free Number: Call 1-833-582-6940.
• Mobile App: Download and use the SchoolMessenger app from the App Store or Google Play Store.
• Website: Visit go.schoolmessenger.ca.

Safe arrival Policy Salt Springs Elementary.

 

[AIGT]

@AIGT : Wait, so, , the baby/toddler is with CPS, and not mom ?

I assumed when the mom cut off contact with the stepdad, the baby M. was with her ?
Imho, I don't see how this helps anyone.
Fwiw, if I was the dad of the baby, I'd be upset to be barred from seeing her.
If CPS is not allowing contact, that's a whole 'nother ball of wax, though.
Wonder why they're doing this ?
He is not a suspect or anything, and it sounds like he's been cooperative.
Imo.

In regards to the legality surrounding how the child could have ended up with CPS, at a very basic level -

The agency can take the child immediately if there is evidence the child needs protection. They would then have to go through the court process.

CPS would be required to notify Martell if they took the child.

The court is allowed to restrict the parent’s contact if there is evidence harm could result. Additionally the agency can do the same without a court order in urgent situations.

In the recent article where it says the mother went into an ambulance before leaving it does not mention the 16 month old being with her so it’s possible CPS had already take care over at this point. So entirely possible the child was taken because of living conditions the RCMP witnessed and not related to other evidence they had.

As I mentioned before the Act emphasizes keeping the kids within the community for indigenous children. I believe the RCMP would be very sensitive to this considering the mother’s connection. If they just disregarded that then there is a reason.


Here is the full Act - https://nslegislature.ca/sites/default/files/legc/statutes/children and family services.pdf

 

[TMich6811]

Will someone show me where it says that cps took the child vs he went there to see the child? This is 2 very different things and I feel I’m missing something because all I see is that he went there for a visitation

 

[AIGT]

Will someone show me where it says that cps took the child vs he went there to see the child? This is 2 very different things and I feel I’m missing something because all I see is that he went there for a visitation

There is nowhere yet that says they took the child. Only info is from his statement.

However CPS is required to inform him they have the child if they do have it.

Based on what is written that he said it’s not impossible that he saw rumours on social media and went to CPS to check and they just gave him a blanket answer that they don’t provide information about children in their custody.

I understand the reporters being sensitive about the situation but I feel there is some follow up questions that could be asked that would lessen the need for speculation and if he is innocent he would have no issue answering.

 

[TMich6811]

There is nowhere yet that says they took the child. Only info is from his statement.

However CPS is required to inform him they have the child if they do have it.

Based on what is written that he said it’s not impossible that he saw rumours on social media and went to CPS to check and they just gave him a blanket answer that they don’t provide information about children in their custody.

I understand the reporters being sensitive about the situation but I feel there is some follow up questions that could be asked that would lessen the need for speculation and if he is innocent he would have no issue answering.

It sounds like he is fully informed? He knew where to ask and he knew why

 

[callmehenry]

I feel that they’re just waiting for him to slip up. The mums family were told not to speak to anyone (reporters etc) but obviously no one told him the same which to me implies they’re waiting and watching, ready for when he says too much

 

[MistyWaters]

Why do you suggest such a low chance of wildlife getting them? Is it because these two animals named or wildlife in the woods where they live?

Regardless of the type of wild animal attack on another living creature, I don’t want to get into gory details, just to say it creates more quite an awful bloody mess including drag marks etc. And wild animals would not eat things such as backpacks, clothing and rubber boats, sometimes not even bones. Searchers would’ve easily been able to identify such a sight, it certainly would’ve been very evident considering wild animals do not tidy things up afterwards.

JMO