CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lily Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #2

[AIGT]

I agree, just guessing, maybe it pertains to negligence in child care in general? I vaguely recall that CPS may request custodial parents to enrol in some type of Child Care program to improve on their ‘parenting’ skills. I wouldn’t want to say all parents are bad who’s children run off but if it’s a situation where children that young are left to look after themselves because the parent/s haven’t gotten out of bed in the morning, that’s not so good.

The step dad has gotten so much backlash but surely the children’s mother holds some responsibility for her children’s proper care?
JMO

I can’t emphasize enough how cautious CPS and RCMP would be about removing the child from the mothers care considering her connection the the indigenous community. My opinion of course but if they did take the child it would have to be for very good reason/evidence.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Not Being named a POI doesn’t mean there are not child welfare concerns related to neglect of the children being gone. Cps (here anyway) absolutely could feel this was neglectful and do an emergency order for supervision.

Alternatively, something was found or something is not known. Privacy keeps being discussed as huge in the area for LE and legal matters so it would make sense that we have no idea, right?

In a way this reminds me of the Summer Wells case. When she went missing & LE came in and found the house was a rat hole (literally) CPS took custody of her brothers. I suppose it makes perfect sense, if the inside of the home was just as unkempt/dangerous appearing as the outside.

 

[katydid23]

I am all over the place with this one. One minute I think Stepdad is just a very worried father figure who is worried sick about his stepkids. The next I feel he is overexplaining and presenting himself as the one who cares about finding the children most, above all others.

Mom leaving the area temporarily can easily be explained as either LE telling her to do so because of the argument that is said to have taken place Saturday or if the land is owned by Daniel's mother she says who stays or goes. But to then block your partner and not speak to him again, when he occupies the property from which your children went missing? I'm having a harder time with that.

The fact that he is so very vocal and she is so very silent troubles me. There may be a perfectly reasonable explanation but I am having a hard time with that.

Also if as Daniel states her family thinks "I did it" I wonder why. Maleyah and Daniel both indicate they were together, in the room, saw/heard Lily and heard Jack. Until they didn't. Does MBM's family disbelieve her as well as DM since they both pretty much tell the same story? If they disbelieve it from him does that mean they also disbelieve her?

Could she maybe have told her family a different story---like maybe she said she just went along with his version but it wasn't exactly like that. Could he have said to her---"WE need to have the same story and be each other's alibi " or they will think we did something wrong?

ETA as to BBM DID WHAT?

 

[otto]

What's going on? I haven't read the last 7 pages, but it sounds like one or more of the children are subject to child protection services. Is that true, or speculation?

There's absolutely nothing wrong with children playing in the fenced backyard while the parents are inside.

 

[katydid23]

In a way this reminds me of the Summer Wells case. When she went missing & LE came in and found the house was a rat hole (literally) CPS took custody of her brothers. I suppose it makes perfect sense, if the inside of the home was just as unkempt/dangerous appearing as the outside.

Yes, but in that case, there was also heavy drinking by both parents and DV by the father. Not to mention the death trap stairs leading to the basement bedrooms. [I still wonder if she fell down that ladder/stairway death trap and they hid her so they wouldn't lose the boys too]

 

[Ontario Mom]

What's going on? I haven't read the last 7 pages, but it sounds like one or more of the children are subject to child protection services. Is that true, or speculation?

There's absolutely nothing wrong with children playing in the fenced backyard while the parents are inside.

Loads of speculation based on DM's statement here:

"RCMP search the dense forest behind the home in a helicopter. Plainclothes investigators arrive again to speak with Mr. Martell. “Basically at this point they just want to look at any tech that could help match up any phones that came into the yard,” he said. That afternoon, a friend drives him to the Children’s Protective Services office in Stellarton, where he requests to see his 16-month-old daughter but is denied. “As of now, I can’t be around Meadow,” he said during an interview the following day. “With the kids going missing, Children’s Protective Services wants to keep a tight leash on everything.”

Two Nova Scotia children are missing. Here’s a timeline of key events since the siblings vanished

Six-year-old Lilly Sullivan and her four-year-old brother Jack were reported missing on May 2

www.theglobeandmail.com

 

[na19]

I wonder if "her family thinks I did it" is not about direct harm, but could be more of a 'causing or allowing' because he hadn't got out of bed, or if he told Lily to keep away, for example?

This is what I’m wondering. If Mom and Dad are both lying in bed together, then they’d know the other couldn’t have done it, right?

 

[AIGT]

If you take Martell at his word then it wasn’t the mother of the children that was kicked off the property.


He says that his mother kid “people” off the property who were saying he did it after there was an argument.

But he also says the last time he saw the mother was when she left the SAR briefing halfway through to sit in an ambulance and then leave with her mother. The SAR briefing was at a different location.

I suppose the argument could’ve occurred, they got kicked off the property and then all went to the briefing after that.

 

[Skigh]

If you take Martell at his word then it wasn’t the mother of the children that was kicked off the property.


He says that his mother kid “people” off the property who were saying he did it after there was an argument.

But he also says the last time he saw the mother was when she left the SAR briefing halfway through to sit in an ambulance and then leave with her mother. The SAR briefing was at a different location.

I suppose the argument could’ve occurred, they got kicked off the property and then all went to the briefing after that.

Maybe the argument was about the youngest child not about Jack and Lily being missing .

 

[otto]

Loads of speculation based on DM's statement here:

"RCMP search the dense forest behind the home in a helicopter. Plainclothes investigators arrive again to speak with Mr. Martell. “Basically at this point they just want to look at any tech that could help match up any phones that came into the yard,” he said. That afternoon, a friend drives him to the Children’s Protective Services office in Stellarton, where he requests to see his 16-month-old daughter but is denied. “As of now, I can’t be around Meadow,” he said during an interview the following day. “With the kids going missing, Children’s Protective Services wants to keep a tight leash on everything.”

Two Nova Scotia children are missing. Here’s a timeline of key events since the siblings vanished

Six-year-old Lilly Sullivan and her four-year-old brother Jack were reported missing on May 2

www.theglobeandmail.com

Thank you! That's crazy. He's the child's father and there's no evidence that he has done anything wrong. I've put children alone in the backyard many times. I've even let preschoolers wander around a 20 acre parcel where there was a creek. There is no law that says that's not allowed. Helicopter parenting is not mandatory.

I hope he has a lawyer who is protecting his rights.

 

[AIGT]

Maybe the argument was about the youngest child not about Jack and Lily being missing .

Yes, really could be anything.

 

[AIGT]

Thank you! That's crazy. He's the child's father and there's no evidence that he has done anything wrong. I've put children alone in the backyard many times. I've even let preschoolers wander around a 20 acre parcel where there was a creek. There is no law that says that's not allowed. Helicopter parenting is not mandatory.

I hope he has a lawyer who is protecting his rights.

If he has a lawyer I’d like the name so I know never to hire them.

 

[Sarahlou]

Thank you! That's crazy. He's the child's father and there's no evidence that he has done anything wrong. I've put children alone in the backyard many times. I've even let preschoolers wander around a 20 acre parcel where there was a creek. There is no law that says that's not allowed. Helicopter parenting is not mandatory.

I hope he has a lawyer who is protecting his rights.

Respectfully, they will know a lot more than us.
If they're not allowing him around his child then I would assume and hope they have good reason for that.

 

[katydid23]

This is what I’m wondering. If Mom and Dad are both lying in bed together, then they’d know the other couldn’t have done it, right?

Yes. But let's say they are both lying in bed together, but Mom and 1 yr old had been snoozing for an hour or more. She wakes up and says where are the kids?

Maybe Stepdad says they are probably outside at the chicken coop, I'll go check-----Then he comes back with a worried frown and they begin to look for them. But before they call 911 they decide they need to get their story together and be each other's alibi, just in case people get suspicious or blame them for negligence or something.

At some point, one of them might start questioning in their mind, what the other person was up to.

 

[AIGT]

Respectfully, they will know a lot more than us.
If they're not allowing him around his child then I would assume and hope they have good reason for that.

No need to assume, that part at least is written in law. If they DO in fact have the child then they have good reason.

 

[otto]

Respectfully, they will know a lot more than us.
If they're not allowing him around his child then I would assume and hope they have good reason for that.

It's possible that neither parent is allowed to see the child at this time.

 

[GC Light]

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Two Nova Scotia children are missing. Here’s a timeline of key events since the siblings vanished

Six-year-old Lilly Sullivan and her four-year-old brother Jack were reported missing on May 2

www.theglobeandmail.com

 

[otto]

Yes. But let's say they are both lying in bed together, but Mom and 1 yr old had been snoozing for an hour or more. She wakes up and says where are the kids?

Maybe Stepdad says they are probably outside at the chicken coop, I'll go check-----Then he comes back with a worried frown and they begin to look for them. But before they call 911 they decide they need to get their story together and be each other's alibi, just in case people get suspicious or blame them for negligence or something.

At some point, one of them might start questioning in their mind, what the other person was up to.

Statement from Mom:
CTV News Video

They know that the children were playing outside, but they weren't aware of it, and then they realized that the children were quiet, so they went outside to look for them.

"What happened was that we woke up I heard them playing in the next room beside us and I was drifting in and out of sleep, and they're not the type of kids that we tell them not to go outside on their own. We always make sure that we're out there with them, watching them, then they happened to just get out that sliding door and we can't hear it when it opens and they were outside playing, but we weren't aware of it at the time and the next thing we knew the [lurt-unknown] like it was quiet and we get up and I tell him, my partner, Daniel, I tell him "do you hear the kids" and he says "no" and we get up instantly, we're looking outside, we're looking everywhere, yelling for them and I instantly just called 911, as j-unknown I had the instinct I need to call."

 

[otto]

Gift Article no paywall

Two Nova Scotia children are missing. Here’s a timeline of key events since the siblings vanished

Six-year-old Lilly Sullivan and her four-year-old brother Jack were reported missing on May 2

www.theglobeandmail.com

This seems backwards - getting in his car and driving around before looking on foot around their home.

"As soon as I seen they were gone, immediately jumped in the car and did all the dirt roads, all the culverts, checked over the rivers and streams. As soon as I got home 10 minutes later, I headed out on foot.”

 

[Ghostwheel]

I wonder if "her family thinks I did it" is not about direct harm, but could be more of a 'causing or allowing' because he hadn't got out of bed, or if he told Lily to keep away, for example?

Or maybe caused the kids to leave the house if they could hear arguing? Moo