Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #11

[MistyWaters]

Rav4 was found at Fox Lake Cree Nation (left end of blue line), red box is next image

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This is Sundance and Sundance Creek area, red box is next image

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Sundance Creek

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Sundance Creek and Limestone Rapids (I added the labels)

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I’ve given up trying to figure out where the RAV4 was found and I don’t think the media knows exactly where either. Notice how the distance is now “approximately 70 km”?





https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/rcmp-news-conference-schmegelsky-mcleod-search-1.5226755

 

[acutename]

Can we all just take a minute to high five good cops everywhere? It just really struck me how much these two have put our LE through for their whatever-this-is crime spree. Stress and pressure, facking around in the buggy, swampy bush for days and days, fielding and investigating tips both useful and useless, and now, spending time I can only imagine is NOT fun at the bottom of the Nelson River. Thank you RCMP and OPP, and all other agencies that this has touched.

the river has so much sediment in the pictures I have seen- do the dive teams have to just feel around for things? It does not seem that you could see through the water.
or do they use sonar?

 

[Satchie]

Could this be the rapids and the boat location?

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I don't know if that's rapids, to me it looks like light cloud cover.

I think it was found farther north/downstream.

As mentioned above, police have blocked off the 290 road and will not let anyone through: that must mean no one lives past there, I don't think they would prevent people from going back to their homes.

As seen from the CBC map, the 290 road dead ends northeast of where the RAV burned. I think that's the part of the road blocked by RCPM. There's nothing out there but the hydro substation, referred to by the Globe reporter as being near where the boat was found.

 

[Bostondangler13]

Insp. Fiedler, the commander overseeing search efforts, said the extent of the boat’s damage prompted him to request the dive team.

“Whether it’s the subjects we’re looking for or whether it’s another member of the public, we have an obligation to do a search-and-rescue effort there to make sure that there’s nobody out there as a result of some kind of boating accident,” he said.

As of late Saturday, police had not located the rowboat’s owner. Insp. Fiedler said there was no forensic evidence to gather from the boat, which was found wrecked below the lower Limestone rapids, near the Keewatinoow converter station.
RCMP dive team scours Nelson River for B.C. fugitives after finding wrecked rowboat

Underwater recovery of human remains. What an insane job. No thanks.

 

[otto]

I’ve given up trying to figure out where the RAV4 was found and I don’t think the media knows exactly where either. Notice how the distance is now “approximately 70 km”?

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/rcmp-news-conference-schmegelsky-mcleod-search-1.5226755

70km would put the location of the Rav4 just East of Sundance, but that places the boat and the car between the two rapids. Quite confusing!

 

[copkid]

Thanks! Maybe it’s my eyes but I can see on that map the location where Sundance Creek probably flows into the Nelson River but not where it’s at PR290, if this is the location where the RAV4 was found.

I’m unable to link a pay-lock Globe report but it indicates the boat was found washed up in an area known as the lower Limestone rapids, near the Keewatinoow converter station. Other media reports only say it was found 13km from the RAV4.

As the Nelson River flows into the Hudson’s Bay, given the dot of Sundance Creek on the map, it seems the boat might’ve been found upstream from the RAV4. If so the chance it was the fugitives boat isn’t quite as high as if it was found downstream, unless they walked southerly before finding the boat. However it was also earlier reported the RAV4 was found “near” the Fox Lake Cree Nation which is also further south.

I’ve also noticed the placement of the RAV4 is mysteriously shifting on some of the media recent reports. I’m certain I looked at a CTV map only a couple of hours ago and it placed the vehicle’s location almost at the very end of the dead end road but now that map seems to have disappeared without a trace.

@MistyWaters, I have experienced the same problem with the disappearing map, not specifically the map you are referencing, but I have, on 2 occassions now, referenced maps, took notes and went back a day later and they were gone without a trace?

 

[MistyWaters]

Zoom in and you can see an RCMP patch on the man's left shoulder.

BUT there is a First Nations man in the boat in picture #18. For sure the RCMP is using local knowledge.

Oh yes you’re absolutely right. I see the ridge of the patch.

Photo #18 yes indeed, white shirt guy in the boat and he’s wearing a life preserver around his neck, micro size. I think this sort of partnership is really a great thing, even though the cause is due to tracking fugitives accused of senseless murders thousands of kms away.

Photo #15 and the SRT van, mud right to the top offers an inkling to the conditions of the roads it travelled.

 

[MistyWaters]

@MistyWaters, I have experienced the same problem with the disappearing map, not specifically the map you are referencing, but I have, on 2 occassions now, referenced maps, took notes and went back a day later and they were gone without a trace?

Frustrating isn’t it.

 

[otto]

I don't know if that's rapids, to me it looks like light cloud cover.

I think it was found farther north/downstream.

As mentioned above, police have blocked off the 290 road and will not let anyone through: that must mean no one lives past there, I don't think they would prevent people from going back to their homes.

As seen from the CBC map, the 290 road dead ends northeast of where the RAV burned. I think that's the part of the road blocked by RCPM. There's nothing out there but the hydro substation, referred to by the Globe reporter as being near where the boat was found.

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There are 2 sets of rapids:

 

[Seattle1]

Bump post with all the details on the row boat

RCMP divers will be arriving in Gillam tonight to begin searching a section of the Nelson River after a row boat was found along the shore Friday.

Inspector Leon Fiedler said it's not clear whether the boat was used by two men wanted in the killings of three people in Northern B.C.

The green-coloured boat was spotted washed up on the shore during a helicopter search of the river on Friday afternoon. The flat-bottom aluminum boat was pulled out of the area in the evening.

“It had gone through some rapids and had been significantly damaged,” Inspector Fiedler said. “We’re going to search in the area around where we found this boat just to make sure that there is nobody attached to it, whether that is our subjects or anyone else for that matter.”

[...]

The boat was located in an area known as the lower Limestone Rapids, near Keewatinoow converter station. bbm

Police did not find anything near the boat last night except for a red and white water jug.

Officers were combing through the area on Saturday, turning vehicles away from the search zone. The boat was found about 70 kilometers north of Gillam, by road, and about 13 kilometers from where the SUV that police believe the fugitives were driving was found burning in a ditch on the evening of July 22. bbm

Inspector Fiedler said police had not located the owner of the boat. The search area, he added, is challenging.

“It’s a really tricky area because of the rapids,” he said. “It’s not an area that is well-traveled by anybody by boat.”

The boat was brought to the Gillam RCMP detachment.
Police will not be able to obtain any forensic evidence from the boat, Inspector Fiedler said.

The RCMP’s underwater recovery team was expected to arrive in Gillam on Saturday night and divers were set to begin searching Sunday. The police had last scoured the area by air three or four days ago, Inspector Fiedler said.

RCMP divers to begin searching river near Gillam after finding rowboat, search for B.C. fugitives continues

 

[sprucetip]

For the benefit of newer posters who may not know their way around here yet, once you post something, you cannot just delete it easily. You have a couple of options. You can press the 'report' button and request that an admin delete the post...or, within the first hour after posting something, you can go back to the post and click the 'edit' button, and then just backspace or delete everything out of the post, and replace it with the letters 'DBM', which you will see here often, and mean 'deleted by me'. That way, at least you can get rid of the problematic part of your post. When you have the choice, imo, it is always better if you don't have to involve the mods. I hope this helps!

Aha! That’s what DBM means, thanks! I was wondering and couldn’t find the answer looking around the site.

 

[acutename]

Thanks, I wondered too, could it be LD? (Because KM and LD are the only 2 men in nothern BC who have beards...)

as per the highway person who saw this man, he was supposed to have a grey Jeep with black trim, so not LD if you believe that her observations were correct

 

[otto]

Bump post with all the details on the row boat

Thank you! I'm guessing the boat was found just past the Lower Limestone Rapids

 

[MistyWaters]

70km would put the location of the Rav4 just East of Sundance, but that places the boat and the car between the two rapids. Quite confusing!

It is.

The Globe reported “the focus of Sunday’s search of the Nelson River was about 70 km northeast of Gillam by road, and about 13 km from where the police found the abandoned Toyota.”
RCMP dive team scours Nelson River for B.C. fugitives after finding wrecked rowboat

This - 13 km. I’m now even questioning how that’s measured because I notice PR290 somewhat diverges further away from Nelson River in the Sundance area. So 13km could also include land distance from boat to the RAV4, decreasing the distance of the boat upstream or downstream.

 

[Seattle1]

Does the smouldering RAV4 appear to be sitting on gravel to you? It’s possible the vehicle was winched onto the road while burning to prevent a forest fire. Hard to say but it appears responders were involved.

“....Beardy and his family were the first people to find the burning SUV linked to McLeod and Schmegelsky. He reported it to RCMP, and then Manitoba conservation officers once they became concerned the fire would spread.

"It was, like, big flames," he said. "They were just about reaching the wires."...”
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/fox-lake-nightly-community-patrol-fugitives-1.5225799

I recommend watching the video that was linked with the same still photos. Beardy appears on this video.

I believe the Rav4 was driven off the road in the ditch which could probably consist of some gravel. Beardy states he watched it burn off road for about 45 minutes.

Torched car found in Manitoba linked to B.C. homicide suspects: RCMP

 

[sandbar]

@MistyWaters, I have experienced the same problem with the disappearing map, not specifically the map you are referencing, but I have, on 2 occassions now, referenced maps, took notes and went back a day later and they were gone without a trace?

URGHH, me too, but I've started taking screen grabs of maps that make sense to me.

 

[scrappinkat]

bears eat a lot of bones. A bear ate a man a few years ago and they found his cell phone, with a picture of the bear, and bite marks on it. So, the bear might leave shoes, clothing bits, but I would not count on finding bone, necessarily. (my inexpert opinion)

I think this is probably the story you are referring to. They found the mans body which the bear had been eating. An autopsy showed that Patel was mauled by the bear. Human remains were found in the bear’s stomach and esophagus, and human blood and tissue were found underneath its claws, authorities said.

Hiker snapped pictures of bear before fatal attack in West Milford - nj.com

Finding a body in the bush is harder than one imagines, even if a bear hasn’t touched it. But here’s a research link if anyone is interested.

Usually a bear leaves behind partially consumed limb bones of large animals, upper and lower jaws, and parts of the spinal bone; sometimes pelvic bones, shoulder bones and ribs. With a shortage of feed (in winter and early spring) bear consumes carcasses to a greater extent. A bear that has not fallen into winter sleep fully utilizes animals, including all the bones (Kostoglod, 1976). The smaller the animal eaten by the bear, the better it is utilized.​

Usually the bones that a bear eats are not digested and remain intact. In two places in the Sikhote-Alin Nature Reserve ...​

If you want to read the whole study. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S207815201630027X

 

[MistyWaters]

Thank you! I'm guessing the boat was found just past the Lower Limestone Rapids

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If it is, the vehicle found burned near Sundance and the fugitives hit the rapids and drowned (speculation) they certainly didn’t make it very far after ending up on a dead end road going nowhere in their last ditch effort for escape.

I don’t suppose navigating unknown waters is anywhere as easy as twisting a joy stick on a controller, playing a video game with dry feet.

 

[sandbar]

as per the highway person who saw this man, he was supposed to have a grey Jeep with black trim, so not LD if you believe that her observations were correct

Grey RAV4? Grey Jeep?

 

[FactFinder3000]

There are 2 sets of rapids:

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The Keewatinoow converter station is not where it's marked in the map. It's further downstream. About 23 km from the dam, as the crow flies.