Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #11

[MistyWaters]

I recommend watching the video that was linked with the same still photos. Beardy appears on this video.

I believe the Rav4 was driven off the road in the ditch which could probably consist of some gravel. Beardy states he watched it burn off road for about 45 minutes.

Torched car found in Manitoba linked to B.C. homicide suspects: RCMP

What I don’t quite understand - he thought the vehicle might’ve been burning due to an accident, possible occupants inside, so I agree, it must’ve been found close to the road. So what isn’t clear, if the RAV4 was just sitting upright in a more or less level ditch, what caused him to believe an accident occurred?

 

[acutename]

I weigh 125lbs and I’m a 42 year old 5’4” female in good shape. I feel like if a 6’4” 18 year old guy was 125lbs he would be in extremely rough shape.

skeletal and possibly hypothermic in everyday temps, IMO, and it would be very difficult for him to buy a suit that would fit him. either is father was exaggerating, or he is very thin.

 

[Satchie]

It is.

The Globe reported “the focus of Sunday’s search of the Nelson River was about 70 km northeast of Gillam by road, and about 13 km from where the police found the abandoned Toyota.”
RCMP dive team scours Nelson River for B.C. fugitives after finding wrecked rowboat

This - 13 km. I’m now even questioning how that’s measured because I notice PR290 somewhat diverges further away from Nelson River in the Sundance area. So 13km could also include land distance from boat to the RAV4, decreasing the distance of the boat upstream or downstream.

I interpret this as the reporter focussing on where police are searching for the suspects:
70 km-the previously reported road distance the suspects must have travelled before they abandoned the RAV
plus (ie continuing northest)
13 km - probably as the crow flies, since the suspects likely did not get there by road but by boat.

 

[Seattle1]

What I don’t quite understand - he thought the vehicle might’ve been burning due to an accident, possible occupants inside, so it must’ve have been found close to the road. What isn’t clear, if the RAV4 was just sitting upright in a more or less level ditch, what caused him to believe an accident occurred?

Several photos alone depict an upright vehicle in flames -- I don't think that's in question.

Are you still questioning why the burned RAV4 is seen flipped over on the road?

It had no tires after the fire -- burned to the rims and much easier to winch and/or drag out of the ditch to the road if flipped over. MOO

 

[Satchie]

The Keewatinoow converter station is not where it's marked in the map. It's further downstream. About 23 km from the dam, as the crow flies.

Is that the converter station, or the camp ie the 600 hotel rooms.

 

[Zella]

skeletal and possibly hypothermic in everyday temps, IMO, and it would be very difficult for him to buy a suit that would fit him. either is father was exaggerating, or he is very thin.

BBM

I have actually wondered about his suit that he apparently bought and how hard it might have been to scrounge up one that fit him.

I don't think he is 125 lbs but I do think he is very skinny for his height and probably not 170. He looks like he's kind of built like a noodle. I have never bought a men's suit (though I have plenty of frustrating experiences of trying to buy women's clothes for myself and my oddball size), but I imagine his height alone would mean he might have trouble finding one easily, with his skinny frame being another difficulty even if he wasn't so tall.

I don't know what his motivation was for buying the suit, but I can imagine he put a fair amount of effort into acquiring one. That or it probably fits him very poorly.

 

[Normancita]

Just catching up on this case....

Sounds to me like the police *might* be thinking the suspects are deceased...is this the current school of thought amongst the group?

 

[Zella]

Just catching up on this case....

Sounds to me like the police *might* be thinking the suspects are deceased...is this the current school of thought amongst the group?

I don't think we have a consensus yet since there's still no conclusive proof tying them to the boat, but I do think there's a general feeling if they were in the boat on those rapids, they likely drowned. I have seen some speculation they may have been using the boat for shelter and not been in it on the water, which is certainly not outside the realm of possibility!

 

[MistyWaters]

Several photos alone depict an upright vehicle in flames -- I don't think that's in question.

Are you still questioning why the burned RAV4 is seen flipped over on the road?

It had no tires after the fire -- burned to the rims and much easier to winch and/or drag out of the ditch to the road if flipped over. MOO

No, I’m questioning upon discovering the burning vehicle, what led Mr B to believe a single vehicle accident might’ve occurred, possible victims inside. Was the ditch steep, had the vehicle rolled, smashed into a tree, etc? The answer is we don’t know why he thought that was a possibility because he didn’t say.

 

[otto]

If it is, the vehicle found burned near Sundance and the fugitives hit the rapids and drowned (speculation) they certainly didn’t make it very far after ending up on a dead end road going nowhere in their last ditch effort for escape.

I don’t suppose navigating unknown waters is anywhere as easy as twisting a joy stick on a controller, playing a video game with dry feet.

If they used this boat, then I agree that they did not make it far. If they went into the river upstream of the first rapids, then they made it through the first rapids and did not make it through the next one.

 

[NJSleuth91]

That's what I am thinking. I'm thinking KM might be 170 but closer to 6 feet tall, maybe 6'1. I also wonder if BS was 125 when he lived with his dad 3 years ago. I could see him putting some weight on since then, still being well under 170 but not being 125, but his dad still thinks of him that way.

I think one of the problems is simply whoever did the descriptions in the beginning really botched them. And I don't know if that was LE or whomever provided the info.

I double-checked the release from when they were missing and even their pictures were misidentified! BS was listed as KM and vice versa. Beyond that, even their physical descriptions are off, with the wrong hair color. It wouldn't surprise me if the heights and weights were wrong, though I do think BS is a legit 6'4." He looks super tall and lanky in every picture I have seen of him.
RCMP seeking missing teens after vehicle fire and body found

What else is new...in missing/unidentified persons cases it's very common for heights and so on to be mixed up, and they were originally missing persons.

I was also thinking that. Like maybe the last time his dad remembered him being weighed, it was a few years ago and he was 125 lbs but shorter, and he had a growth spurt since. Or maybe his dad got mixed up. Perhaps the weights don't matter that much now since there's a high chance they ARE literal skeletons by now, or if they somehow survived, have lost a lot of weight from living in the bush. The heights do matter though in case remains are ever found years from now, so they can be properly matched.

If it is, the vehicle found burned near Sundance and the fugitives hit the rapids and drowned (speculation) they certainly didn’t make it very far after ending up on a dead end road going nowhere in their last ditch effort for escape.

I don’t suppose navigating unknown waters is anywhere as easy as twisting a joy stick on a controller, playing a video game with dry feet.

If they actually were dumb enough (IMO) to go into the river in that thing, clearly they did not research the area much at all, and I think maybe it points more to this whole thing being unplanned. You would think if they had a plan, even basic research would bring them to those Nelson River rafting videos that were posted here.

skeletal and possibly hypothermic in everyday temps, IMO, and it would be very difficult for him to buy a suit that would fit him. either is father was exaggerating, or he is very thin.

He was definitely not THAT thin, at least going by the video of them in the store and the other pictures that are around. He looks maybe slightly underweight.

 

[Moonlitnight]

I don't know how accurate that is. If he was 6'4" and 125 lbs his BMI would be 15.2 which is severely underweight. Under 18.5 is considered to be underweight. He looked thin but not thin enough that it was concerning, which is what a BMI that low would be.

I mean...I'm 5'4" and 125 lbs and that's considered to be right in the middle of the "healthy range" for me...someone an entire foot taller than me but the same weight would look absolutely skeletal, I would imagine.

I posted previously about this weight. It has to be wrong. I am 5' 8" and 127 pounds and resemble a stick insect.

 

[FactFinder3000]

Is that the converter station, or the camp ie the 600 hotel rooms.

Sorry, it's 27 km from the dam. This is my source:

https://www.hydro.mb.ca/projects/bi...ow_converter_station_and_ground_electrode.pdf

Google maps seems to have it wrong. But you can view the facility nicely on bing maps using aerial view.

 

[MistyWaters]

Just catching up on this case....

Sounds to me like the police *might* be thinking the suspects are deceased...is this the current school of thought amongst the group?

The possibility just happened to be mentioned by the RCMP in last Wednesday’s press conference as well.

“The north part of the province is a very unforgiving place … very challenging terrain, lots of wildlife. We’re keeping all possibilities in mind as we go forward with this, but that (the suspects are dead) is just one of the possibilities we’re considering,” MacLatchy said.”
RCMP scale back search for B.C. murder suspects in Manitoba

 

[CharlotteBama]

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[FactFinder3000]

And wow! According to this source, the burned out RAV4 was not actually found at the reserve. It was found at the abandoned town of Sundance, near Sundance Creek. That's 3.5 km downstream from the Limestone Dam. So the car was found 3.5km downstream from the Limestone Dam, and the boat was found somewhere around 27 km downstream from the dam.

source on RAV4 location: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/military-pulling-out-of-search-for-bc-fugitives-1.5231687

 

[FactFinder3000]

I have to say, this ditching spot makes so much more sense that what we've been led to believe. I always wondered why they would torch the vehicle near a reserve, where it was sure to be quickly seen. The town of Sundance was built to house people working on the dam. After the dam was built the town was abandoned. It seems it was unlucky that somebody found the vehicle while it was still burning.

One does have to wonder, though, why they didn't keep going to the end of PR 290. Perhaps they were out of gas, have some have surmised.

 

[LoisLane]

I’m confused why the boat search was reported/advertised to the general public. Why would LE pinpoint a piece of potential evidence for us to be aware of when it could turn out to be nothing? I find it so odd.

 

[Zella]

I’m confused why the boat search was reported/advertised to the general public. Why would LE pinpoint a piece of potential evidence for us to be aware of when it could turn out to be nothing? I find it so odd.

I think it might be an effort to quell the rash of unconfirmed sightings that were being reported in Ontario.

Also, the case seems to have generated a lot of interest and made folks throughout Canada uneasy, so I can see why they publicize it, despite not quite knowing if it is connected.

 

[Sparrow2]

BBM

I have actually wondered about his suit that he apparently bought and how hard it might have been to scrounge up one that fit him.

I don't think he is 125 lbs but I do think he is very skinny for his height and probably not 170. He looks like he's kind of built like a noodle. I have never bought a men's suit (though I have plenty of frustrating experiences of trying to buy women's clothes for myself and my oddball size), but I imagine his height alone would mean he might have trouble finding one easily, with his skinny frame being another difficulty even if he wasn't so tall.

I don't know what his motivation was for buying the suit, but I can imagine he put a fair amount of effort into acquiring one. That or it probably fits him very poorly.

My husband is 6’3” and 165lbs. He looks like a (handsome) bean pole and has a really hard time finding suits that fit his frame and mostly gets them custom made or off-the-rack altered. Even big and tall stores don’t seem to cater much to the combination of tall and super skinny.
From the images I’ve seen, I would think around 160lbs would be accurate for him. Keep in mind, parents aren’t weighing their adult children regularly. I imagine 125lbs is just the last weight that the dad recalls. It’s a forgivable error.