Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #16

[otto]

Before Lucas Fowler died in northern B.C., he embraced a life there | The Star

“Erika and Christoph Weder got an email from Fowler in January, responding to their ad asking for help. He had just been awarded a two-year working visa for Canada and was staying in a Calgary hostel while looking for jobs.

Even though he didn’t have any ranch experience, the couple decided to take a chance and hire Fowler. He’d done a mechanical apprenticeship in Australia and they thought he could be handy at fixing things.”

“The Weders enthusiastically agreed. They even offered the blue van they acquired from a former employee, which Fowler spent his spare time fixing up before leaving.”

I assumed that a former employee left the van at the ranch - good to see it spelled out!

 

[Zella]

That's a really lovely series of tributes to all 3 victims in the Vancouver Star. Brought tears to my eyes reading all 3 articles.

And based on what we now know about LD's pacifism and his and his family's privacy, I think it is quite understandable if he were shot, the family likely would not want that released.

Also, it sounds as if he'd been out and about on his trip for quite a few days.

 

[MistyWaters]

Thank goodness the family is speaking loudly about online suggestions that the murderers obtained their weapons from the victims!

Yes you’re right, certainly wasn't a weapon stolen from the Professor. Her words have me convinced the murder of LD was intentional.

“He would be found dead about 400 kilometres north of those destinations. Fleck said she doesn’t know, and doesn’t want to find out, exactly how her brother died, but called it a “terrible irony” for him to have died violently.

Their whole family “lived and breathed” pacifism, and Dyck had avoided travelling to the U.S. in recent years because the country’s gun violence disturbed him. When his father passed away, and he had the chance to inherit a hunting firearm, Fleck said he was indignant in his refusal.

“Len never would have wanted to die this way,” she said....”
Leonard Dyck’s path to Dease Lake began with a lifetime of adventures | The Star

 

[Seattle1]

Does it matter whether children want to learn to ride a bike, to swim, or read? Parents have a responsibility to equip their children with the skills to be independent productive participants in society.

I can understand a 16 year old deciding to delay learning to drive, but those who never learn are soon left behind by their peers. I think Kam taught Bryer how to drive, but Bryer did not have family encouragement and support to get his driver licence.

What we hear from Bryer's father is criticism about how Bryer was raised. Bryer's parents were divorced when he was 5 and the father was prevented from unsupervised contact with Bryer at the age of 8. Why didn't he teach Bryer to ride a bike between the ages of 5 and 8? If he really cared, he would have given him a bike and taught him to ride it.

BC license requires a person under the age of 19 to obtain consent from a parent or legal guardian as per Motor Vehicle Act, Section 32. Read the declarations 1-5 -- not every parent/guardian willing to make those declarations for minor.

https://www.icbc.com/driver-licensing/new-drivers/Documents/parental-consent.pdf

 

[Esprite]

Thank goodness the family is speaking loudly about online suggestions that the murderers obtained their weapons from the victims!

Mennonites, and those from that background, are generally pacifists, although there are probably exceptions.

 

[Seattle1]

Both my grandsons held a valid drivers licence at 16 while on medication for ADD/ADHD. One lives in BC and the other in Alberta.

Not every parent/guardian willing to make declarations 1-5 for their minor drivers (under age 19 pursuant to Motor Vehicle Act, Section 32).

In Great Britain, I was unable to drive on public roads until age 17 --and that was years ago. Today, most teens in UK don't have DL either.

https://www.icbc.com/driver-licensing/new-drivers/Documents/parental-consent.pdf

 

[scrappinkat]

Times have really changed - too much reliance on plastic gadgets and virtual communication, social isolation, selfies, on and on... attention seeking and "upsmanship" seems to be of utmost importance.

Society believes they are more “connected” than ever, yet so many individuals in the connected world seem to feel more isolated, worthless and lost than ever.

For example on Instagram or tumblr a post of a sad or abused dog gets more response and involvement than a photo of a teen cutting deep slices in themselves with a razor blade. They often get tagged as attention seekers or drama queens. They get a silent uncomfortable pass of any attention paid to them all the while seeing others uploading ridiculous posts of ignorant pranks become viral in no time.

HONY (Humans of New York) is good for seeing people care about and even come together to help an individual they have never even met. It would be nice to believe that voice of caring and involvement was carried out by people in day to day life too.

“Disconnect to connect”.

 

[scrappinkat]

Yet another thing that does not make conventional sense; why leave Mr. Dyck's body on show? It was mere yards from very dense forest. The two of them could have moved it into the thickets with ease, kicked some dirt on the bloodstains, and been on their way in his car. It's unlikely it would have been noticed for a long time. Even the burning truck would not have been a red flag then.

IMHO, this means it's more likely they simply didn't care about being discovered as the killers. Or wanted to be.

Panic. Over what had just transpired. Over the enormity of a man laying dead as a result of something they had done.

Of course this only applies if they weren’t involved in the deaths of Lucas and Chynna with Leonard being the first/only death they were responsible for.

 

[scrappinkat]

But maybe they were pellets, not cartridges.

If they were shot by pellets the pellets would be at or in the target aimed at, although a few rebounds would happen. Bullet casings or shotgun hulls would eject from the firearm and land near where the person firing was standing.

 

[scrappinkat]

Thank goodness the family is speaking loudly about online suggestions that the murderers obtained their weapons from the victims!

I highly doubt her comment was in any related to online discussions.
It was more of a statement about he chose places he felt safe, he avoided potential conflict and danger, including the tools that were often used in that conflict and violence.

 

[MistyWaters]

Oh my, thought you meant the possible sighting near Gillam.

"A Twitter user, who was driving along Highway 280 late Monday night, said he was startled by a young man who jumped out at him, trying to catch a ride. He tweeted that he is unsure..."

RCMP focus on Gillam area in manhunt for B.C. murder suspects

The hitchhiking thing seems out-of-sorts, but who knows if they tried it? Especially with Mr. Dyke?

Yes the person who thought they saw the two hitchhiking on opposite sides of the road was at Dease Lake, BC. Dease Lake was also a third area of interest to police and I wonder if that’s where the pair were camped between the 15th to the 19th and the truck’s tire tracks were visible.

The kindly, helpful manner of the Professor as described, no justification whatsoever to harm him except for pure evilness IMO.

 

[scrappinkat]

Mennonites, and those from that background, are generally pacifists, although there are probably exceptions.

Sounds like Leonard Dycks father was possibly one of the exceptions as he did own a hunting rifle. I’m sure even with it in his ownership he was still devout and also a pacifist.

 

[NJSleuth91]

Society believes they are more “connected” than ever, yet so many individuals in the connected world seem to feel more isolated, worthless and lost than ever.

For example on Instagram or tumblr a post of a sad or abused dog gets more response and involvement than a photo of a teen cutting deep slices in themselves with a razor blade. They often get tagged as attention seekers or drama queens. They get a silent uncomfortable pass of any attention paid to them all the while seeing others uploading ridiculous posts of ignorant pranks become viral in no time.

HONY (Humans of New York) is good for seeing people care about and even come together to help an individual they have never even met. It would be nice to believe that voice of caring and involvement was carried out by people in day to day life too.

“Disconnect to connect”.

And this case exemplifies that with the gun in mouth picture.

Off topic but don't even get me started on "dog worship culture"....

Panic. Over what had just transpired. Over the enormity of a man laying dead as a result of something they had done.

Of course this only applies if they weren’t involved in the deaths of Lucas and Chynna with Leonard being the first/only death they were responsible for.

Well, not necessarily. We've wondered why they stopped killing after Prof Dyck's murder and seemed to be in total panic mode after that. Including why they didn't try to ambush and shoot police in a "last stand" in Gillam, if killing was the goal. Maybe something about Prof Dyck's murder snapped them out of it. It's all very hard to decipher.

 

[otto]

I highly doubt her comment was in any related to online discussions.
It was more of a statement about he chose places he felt safe, he avoided potential conflict and danger, including the tools that were often used in that conflict and violence.

Two birds with one stone - no more online speculation that the murderers acquired their weapons from the murder victims. I've actually never seen that line of reasoning before - where the poor little murderers had to obtain weapons from their victims in order to commit murder, presumably meaning that they only committed murder because their victims had weapons.

These two murdering thugs from BC had real guns that they obtained for the purpose of killing people, and they used strangers as target practice. They are vicious, violent men who are entirely responsible for their choices and actions. The victims are not responsible for providing weapons to the murderers.

Thankfully, the family has made a statement to clarify this point.

 

[NJSleuth91]

Two birds with one stone - no more online speculation that the murderers acquired their weapons from the murder victims. I've actually never seen that line of reasoning before - where the poor little murderers had to obtain weapons from their victims in order to commit murder, presumably meaning that they only committed murder because their victims had weapons.

These two murdering thugs from BC had real guns that they obtained for the purpose of killing people, and they used strangers as target practice. They are vicious, violent men who are entirely responsible for their choices and actions. The victims are not responsible for providing weapons to the murderers.

Thankfully, the family has made a statement to clarify this point.

I don't know if victim blaming was the goal of the people who were speculating on that. I think they were just trying to figure out how they might have gotten two guns without anyone noticing.

 

[Esprite]

Not every parent/guardian willing to make declarations 1-5 for their minor drivers (under age 19 pursuant to Motor Vehicle Act, Section 32).

In Great Britain, I was unable to drive on public roads until age 17 --and that was years ago. Today, most teens in UK don't have DL either.

https://www.icbc.com/driver-licensing/new-drivers/Documents/parental-consent.pdf

I was responding to the original posts regarding ADD/ADHD medication specifically.

 

[SteveP]

As one of several who suggested that LD may have possessed a gun, for protection against wildlife moreso than from other people, as he was camping alone in a rather remote area, I welcome the statement from his sister that he would not have had one. I only wish the same indignation over a suggestion that he may have been armed was evident in other speculation posted here, much of it far wilder than that. JMO

 

[SteveP]

I don't know if victim blaming was the goal of the people who were speculating on that. I think they were just trying to figure out how they might have gotten two guns without anyone noticing.

Not victim-blaming in any form or fashion, and almost no one saw it as such. And while we are on the subject, we probably need to be reminded again that BS's father is considered a victim as well, regardless of how we may personally feel about him shirking any parental responsibilities. JMO

 

[otto]

I don't know if victim blaming was the goal of the people who were speculating on that. I think they were just trying to figure out how they might have gotten two guns without anyone noticing.

It seems that violent men across Canada can and do figure out how to obtain guns. What makes these two murderous thugs different?

 

[scrappinkat]

I've actually never seen that line of reasoning before - where the poor little murderers had to obtain weapons from their victims in order to commit murder, presumably meaning that they only committed murder because their victims had weapons.

These two murdering thugs from BC had real guns that they obtained for the purpose of killing people, and they used strangers as target practice. They are vicious, violent men who are entirely responsible for their choices and actions. The victims are not responsible for providing weapons to the murderers.

Thankfully, the family has made a statement to clarify this point.

BBM

I didn’t get the impression that’s what anyone had been trying to suggest. If that’s how you were reading it I can understand your almost stubborn rebuttal of the idea.

IMO some people have questions/confusion about where they could have obtained a firearm, but that doesn’t mean they were blaming or considering the victims responsible, or even that Kam and Bryer were not responsible for any of their actions. People simply ask questions when they want to understand.