Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #16

[mtnstream]

I don't think it was them hitchhiking, I think the mom of the girl who claims saw that was likely mistaken. It does not make sense.

I thought the hitchhiking possibility was in Manitoba, after they had been spotted at Split Lake. It was not proven IIRC.

 

[otto]

It’s quite puzzling why C would be attempting to flag down motorists in daylight on the Alaskan Highway and only this one woman happened to notice who drive on by.

Around 3:40PM on July 14, Chynna stood up from her lawn chair and waved. One woman who witnessed this called RCMP at 4PM.

Maybe Chynna was not keen on spending the night on the side of the highway, while at the same time being taken with the scenery. Lucas had been living on a ranch for 6 months, she had just completed a degree in psychology and worked a couple of jobs to pay for her Alaska road trip. Maybe they were on different wavelengths.

Witnesses have commented on speaking to Lucas about the engine, not a conversation with Chynna.

 

[otto]

RCMP need to be more accountable for responding to calls about stranded vehicles and bodies.

Imagine if RCMP had been on the ball and called in extras to shut down all highways leading to Liard Hot Spting at 5AM on July 15. The suspects would have been trapped in the area, and they would have been stopped driving Dyck's Rav4 before they left BC.

Instead, we had a silly show of military tanks in Gillam, long after the suspects were walking the Sundance Creek to their certain deaths. Even that was a farce. The vehicle was found next to the Sundance Creek and RCMP followed train tracks instead of the creek. Bunch of city slickers.

RCMP spent 4500 man hours to search 11,000 square kilometres of land, but they did not follow the creek next to the burned vehicle to the Nelson River until after the bodies were found.

 

[scrappinkat]

Not to be morbid but how do police confirm identity of bodies? Does a family member get called in and needs to visually look and say yes? Are pictures used when a family member can’t visit in person?

 

[otto]

Not to be morbid but how do police confirm identity of bodies? Does a family member get called in and needs to visually look and say yes? Are pictures used when a family member can’t visit in person?

In this case, the bodies were likely found within 5 hours of death, responded to by RCMP within 7 hours of death, coroner 12 hours later. It was likely 24 after death that they were in the morgue.

They were unidentified for 3 day, and then Chynna's passport was discovered hidden in the van.

With the discovery of her passport, RCMP would have notified FBI. FBI would have notified local Charlotte officers and her family would have been notified. Along with notification would be questions about the man she was with.

That would have led to notification through New South Wales police that Lucas Fowler was found deceased. I'm sure that photos were included. It would have been very difficult for NSW since it was one of their own.

Chynna could not be identified except through her passport, her family was advised closed casket funeral due to injuries.

 

[Spy Versus Spy]

Sorry if already posted, no time today to check.

BBC piece on the 3 victims. ( Nothing new imo but here we are)

BBC News - Lucas Fowler and Chynna Deese: The forgotten faces in Canadian 'fugitives' story The forgotten faces in 'fugitives' story

 

[otto]

Sorry if already posted, no time today to check.

BBC piece on the 3 victims. ( Nothing new imo but here we are)

BBC News - Lucas Fowler and Chynna Deese: The forgotten faces in Canadian 'fugitives' story The forgotten faces in 'fugitives' story

Nice tribute to the "forgotten face."
Why are the victims considered "forgotten?" Is it because people empathize with the families of the suspects - the lost souls who will live out their lives with nothing more than guilt?

I think it's going too far to say that the victims are forgotten in the context of understanding the bigger picture of suspects and victims.

There are always questions about how suspects became suspects and victims became victims. In some sense, it is opportunistic murder of wrong place wrong time, accidental victim.

Lucas and Deese were accidental victims, Bryer and Kam were intentional opportunists looking for the right circumstance.

The question remains about which of the suspects first came up with the idea to shoot random people, which of the teens was more damaged, and who had more anger towards others and especially women.

 

[srper2]

We haven't been given much information by LE Regarding the murders. I have been thinking about the shattered rear window on the van and found some tests with bullets, rocks on cr windows, which were interesting. It appears that a pellet gun can cause more shattering/damage to a window? What do people think about the shattered window on the van?

In this other video, a vans rear window was shot out from the outside, and there is glass shattered outside on the road:

 

[otto]

We haven't been given much information by LE Regarding the murders. I have been thinking about the shattered rear window on the van and found some tests with bullets, rocks on cr windows, which were interesting. It appears that a pellet gun can cause more shattering/damage to a window? What do people think about the shattered window on the van?

I asked around about the 22 rifle. What I learned is that it is quiet for a gun, not much recoil, bullet enters clean, but once inside the body it can rattle around a bit. A head shot is particularly bad, but even a gut shot would make a mess of things.

The unexplained thing about the broken rear door window of the van is that it appears to be broken from the inside. Did the suspects swing open the side doors and shoot when someone moved, putting a hole in the rear window?

The solo NZ suspect who bashed a van spoke to the boyfriend, tone changed, he bashed out the side window and shot her boyfriend twice. He let her get clothes, but she ran barefoot to get help. Could any part of this be similar to what happened with Lucas and Chynna?

 

[JudgeJudi]

But just something to mention, the location where the van was parked certainly did appear to attract roadside attention. At least three parties that we know of - The mechanic, the woman who called police and the unknown 11:30pm person.

At about 3.20 pm on Sunday, Curtis and Sandra Broughton stopped to offer help. Mr Broughton, a mechanic, offered assistance. LF said the engine was flooded and they were going to try and get it going again.

On Sunday afternoon, Carrie Hawryluk of Fort Nelson saw them. She was travelling with her two aunts and a female cousin but didn’t stop due to safety concerns but notified RCMP.

At about 8:00 pm Trevor Pierre, road worker / paramedic, saw them stopped on the side of the highway. He said his boss may have been the last person to have seen them alive.

At about 11:30 pm, Alandra Hull, Trevor Pierre’s boss, was returning to her work camp and saw a bearded man confronting the couple. They were standing next to the van and he was standing in the middle of the highway. His grey car was parked down the road facing south. She said he looked frustrated. She saw him walk towards the pair and said they looked bothered, but she got a bad feeling and didn’t stop. She later provided a statement and worked with a sketch artist to provide a composite.

 

[srper2]

I asked around about the 22 rifle. What I learned is that it is quiet for a gun, not much recoil, bullet enters clean, but once inside the body it can rattle around a bit. A head shot is particularly bad, but even a gut shot would make a mess of things.

The unexplained thing about the broken rear door window of the van is that it appears to be broken from the inside. Did the suspects swing open the side doors and shoot when someone moved, putting a hole in the rear window?

The solo NZ suspect who bashed a van spoke to the boyfriend, tone changed, he bashed out the side window and shot her boyfriend twice. He let her get clothes, but she ran barefoot to get help. Could any part of this be similar to what happened with Lucas and Chynna?

In the video I watched, a van window had been shot from the outside and the glass had shattered outside of the van (and possibly inside as well, but that couldn't be seen), so the van window could have been shot from the outside, which would be consistent with the number of cone markers seen in the crime scene pic of the van, which w.ere all at the rear of the van. I can't be bothered watching it again, but saw something like 7-8 marker cones laid on their side around the back of the van some close, some around 1-2 metres back and slightly torward the grassy area where CD and LF were laying. There are links in earlier threads. I don't think I would be allowed to post the link I have atm.

 

[cartman]

Exactly. The trucker's call would have been earlier, and I recall that it was closer to 5 AM (first light), but RCMP called a road worker who was closer than 4 hours (was he 1-2 hours away?) to check the situation before they even left the station. RCMP repeatedly mention 7:19 AM, but the trucker said something closer to 5AM. Why did RCMP again delay when they had a call about the same van at 4PM the day before?

Am I reading this correctly? A trucker phoned the RCMP around 5am to Report the LF/CD situation. But instead of sending officers out to check the RCMP enlisted the help of someone who was closer to the area and that ended up being Trevor Pierre the road worker.

If that’s the case that’s really messed up.

 

[JudgeJudi]

Am I reading this correctly? A trucker phoned the RCMP around 5am to Report the LF/CD situation. But instead of sending officers out to check the RCMP enlisted the help of someone who was closer to the area and that ended up being Trevor Pierre the road worker.

If that’s the case that’s really messed up.

Trevor Pierre was one of the first people on scene. He had seen LF and CD when they were still alive, stopped on the side of the highway around 8 p.m. on Sunday, July 14.

Around 6: 45 a.m. the following morning Pierre’s boss called him with the grim news: a young couple had been found dead. Pierre, a medic, was asked to attend the scene and secure it until police arrived.

Pierre said when he arrived there was a trucker stopped at the site, visibly upset. He said the trucker had called RCMP and told him to make sure they had his name to follow up.

Pierre said he stayed on scene for three-and-a-half hours, waving traffic by and making sure no one stopped at the site before RCMP arrived.

‘Still troubled by it’: Witness recounts securing the scene of northern B.C. double murder

 

[Shlock Homes]

Around 3:40PM on July 14, Chynna stood up from her lawn chair and waved. One woman who witnessed this called RCMP at 4PM.

Maybe Chynna was not keen on spending the night on the side of the highway, while at the same time being taken with the scenery. Lucas had been living on a ranch for 6 months, she had just completed a degree in psychology and worked a couple of jobs to pay for her Alaska road trip. Maybe they were on different wavelengths.

Witnesses have commented on speaking to Lucas about the engine, not a conversation with Chynna.

Interesting to note that when you see photos of the crime scene, there isn't any lawn chairs out. In fact, nothing is out, it's pretty tidy, other than the back door shot out and side doors open. Did the police ever release ballistic info on the gun used to murder the couple? They could at least say if it was a handgun or a long gun like rifle or shotgun. The shell casings should have settled that. Seems odd they would not say anything about that. I also read the father of Chynna Deese said the funeral had to be a closed casket, so there must have been a significant head wound.

 

[JudgeJudi]

I saw this video the other day and looked carefully at the tyre tracks at the site where LD’s body was found. Investigators were very interested in them. You can see two very different tyre treads – the one on the right (on drier soil) is totally different to the others. I’m wondering whether this track could be from KM’s truck.

Of the remaining tracks, one crosses over another similar track. There also appears to be a couple of footprints. BS was wearing what looked to be army style boots when he was in the store. These usually have a cut-out pattern all around the bottom edge of the sole. I saw 2, possibly 3. I got my husband to have a look and asked him if someone was wearing army style boots, could he make out any possible footprints. He saw exactly what I saw.

Is it beyond the realms of possibility that Leon Dyck was murdered first? As we don't know how long his body was there before he was found, we can only go by dates.

July 15 - Bodies of Lucas and Chynna found
July 18 – Some 470 kms away near Dease Lake, police discover a burned out truck
July 19 – Len Dyck’s body found 2 kms from the burned-out truck

The bearded man who was seen having the heated argument with LF and CD was driving a grey coloured car, the same as LD’s RAV 4. It was facing south, i.e. going in the opposite direction to LF and CD.

"There is significant evidence linking the two events together," Assistant Commissioner Hackett said.
Evidence also linked the two suspects to the two crime scenes, but he declined to give details.

Final tragic twist in Canada highway murders

 

[MistyWaters]

I thought the hitchhiking possibility was in Manitoba, after they had been spotted at Split Lake. It was not proven IIRC.

The report came from Dease Lake, BC.

“The two men were recognizable, as was their truck. Some residents of Dease Lake recalled them camping in a lot outside town, and RCMP searched there. Ms. Adams’s said her mother saw the men hitchhiking along the highway, each thumbing in a different direction.”
Searching for answers: Sense of unease lingers in B.C.’s isolated north as police hunt suspects in remote killings

 

[Gina20]

What a find! I copy most relevant section:

He told police a friend had shot a deer and after they chased down the wounded animal, Legebokoff clubbed it with a pipe wrench and stabbed it with a knife from his multi-tool to put it out of its misery.
...
Temple suggested the jury could replace the deer with Leslie to get a clearer picture of what really happened.

It was an alert RCMP officer who spotted Legebokoff pulling out of a remote logging road on a cold November night and realized that nobody went down that road at night in the winter. He pulled him over, saw blood, saw the Leatherman and called for backup.

And yet the possible significance of a Leatherman multi-tool on a key ring at a crime scene in one of the nation's biggest manhunts for men wanted in three murders went unnoticed. Two weeks later, it was picked up by RCMP as evidence, according to a poster here who was at the scene in Manitoba.

 

[scrappinkat]

In this case, the bodies were likely found within 5 hours of death, responded to by RCMP within 7 hours of death, coroner 12 hours later. It was likely 24 after death that they were in the morgue.

They were unidentified for 3 day, and then Chynna's passport was discovered hidden in the van.

With the discovery of her passport, RCMP would have notified FBI. FBI would have notified local Charlotte officers and her family would have been notified. Along with notification would be questions about the man she was with.

That would have led to notification through New South Wales police that Lucas Fowler was found deceased. I'm sure that photos were included. It would have been very difficult for NSW since it was one of their own.

Chynna could not be identified except through her passport, her family was advised closed casket funeral due to injuries.

So parents or a family member would have somehow been shown the body or at least a picture and asked is this _____ and they said yes? (or no if that had been the case.)

 

[MistyWaters]

Around 3:40PM on July 14, Chynna stood up from her lawn chair and waved. One woman who witnessed this called RCMP at 4PM.

Maybe Chynna was not keen on spending the night on the side of the highway, while at the same time being taken with the scenery. Lucas had been living on a ranch for 6 months, she had just completed a degree in psychology and worked a couple of jobs to pay for her Alaska road trip. Maybe they were on different wavelengths.

Witnesses have commented on speaking to Lucas about the engine, not a conversation with Chynna.

Have media reports been edited? I’m unable to find a link about this woman calling police. Maybe she called after the deaths were reported?

“A woman who told CTV News she'd seen the van said it appeared to have broken down on the side of the northbound lanes.

"The hood was up and there was a young couple sitting in lawn chairs in the ditch. The girl got up and waved at me," Carrie Haruluk said.

She said she couldn't help - her vehicle was full and there were vehicles coming in both directions - so she kept driving.

"The next morning, we all heard the sirens," Haruluk said.

"It's disturbing because it's somebody's daughter, it's somebody's son. And they're not very old."....”
What happened to tourist couple found dead on Alaska Highway?

 

[MistyWaters]

So parents or a family member would have somehow been shown the body or at least a picture and asked is this _____ and they said yes? (or no if that had been the case.)

Dental records are often obtained, medical files (surgery scars, blood tests, etc), tattoos, any other identifying features followed up with DNA, etc. Visual identification alone has proven unreliable and especially in homicide cases, supporting verification would be sought, I’m sure.