Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #16

[1987]

They torched the truck in a visible location, though. Right off Highway 37, that's why it was found so quickly. If they tried to start the van, then the keys would probably still be in the ignition and/or have the killer's fingerprints on them.

they also left the bodies out in view near the van, I would have thought that bodies not left in view would have prolonged how long it took to attract attention to the van so I don't know what to think of trying to prolong how long it took the crime to be discovered.

 

[srper2]

I think it is. They covered it in a pretty large sheet.

From what I read and saw in the article, it said the sheet covered the area where LD’s body had been. We could prob guess if it has Ben removed by checking what vehicles were still there? (I can’t do much by way of checking and copying on internet today due to our power being down and severely limiting my access, sorry if I don’t reply or provide links today)!

 

[Zella]

they also left the bodies out in view near the van, I would have thought that bodies not left in view would have prolonged how long it took to attract attention to the van so I don't know what to think of trying to prolong how long it took the crime to be discovered.

It also seems like LD's body was left close to the road. As has been talked about before on here, there's a bizarre combination of furtive and brazen with these two and crime scenes that I can't quite parse.

 

[cartman]

Burning the van strikes me as something that didn't even occur to them in the heat of the moment (pun not intended). I think they burned the other vehicles because they apparently had a few days in between murders to rehash everything between themselves. I could see one of them being like, "Hey, you know what we should have done?"

FWIW, Bryer has a screenshot of a burning vehicle from Player Unknown Battleground from January 2018 on his Steam account. I don't know that he was consciously trying to imitate the game--though he has a lot of interesting screenshots from it--but I could see the idea being in the back of his or Kam's head and them having a "well, why not" attitude about it.

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That’s a good theory. I really don’t think they had a plan, they were winging it as they went.
Those screenshots were eerie.

 

[1987]

Someone showed the auction win for the van, the date was June 20th. I'm guessing that was Lucas Fowler who bid on it? Or did he buy it from someone else? If this was in Alberta, where did he and Chynna Deese meet? And did they drive or get a ride to pick up that van for their trip?

as I understand earlier in a previous thread it was said the ranch owner bought the van and LF bought it from the ranch.

 

[Shlock Homes]

but they took their i.d. so I'm sure they took their keys too
who knows where the keys ended up
or do we know the cops have 'em?

I thought they found Chynna Deese's passport in the van?

 

[MistyWaters]

Someone showed the auction win for the van, the date was June 20th. I'm guessing that was Lucas Fowler who bid on it? Or did he buy it from someone else? If this was in Alberta, where did he and Chynna Deese meet? And did they drive or get a ride to pick up that van for their trip?

According to Cs brother, L bought the van from the ranch.

“Deese's brother said the pair were found brutally murdered, and most of their belongings left behind.

He identified the van in the photo as belonging to Fowler, who he says bought it from a cattle ranch he was working on...”
What happened to tourist couple found dead on Alaska Highway?

 

[Gina20]

The van went to auction in B.C.

 

[Zella]

That’s a good theory. I really don’t think they had a plan, they were winging it as they went.
Those screenshots were eerie.

Yes, the screenshots badly creeped me out when I first stumbled across them. Maybe a week or two ago?

 

[LadyL]

they also left the bodies out in view near the van, I would have thought that bodies not left in view would have prolonged how long it took to attract attention to the van so I don't know what to think of trying to prolong how long it took the crime to be discovered.

yes like everything else it seems in this case
they look like they're trying to get caught/leaving clues and yet they're also trying to escape
it seems like an organized game and yet then it seems they're sloppy
hard to get a read on their personalities

 

[Shlock Homes]

It also seems like LD's body was left close to the road. As has been talked about before on here, there's a bizarre combination of furtive and brazen with these two and crime scenes that I can't quite parse.

The question is, what road? They said in the media it was a pullout on highway 37, but you look at photos of the road, it's more like a side road, since there's no center line dividing the directions, like you would find on a highway. Unfortunately, Googlemaps doesn't offer street view of Highway 37, or even a good overhead view of the area. I looked on youtube for possible driving videos past the Stickine , but no luck.
Edit. Okay I found a video of the valley, and it looks like this particular highway doesn't have a center line drawn on it, which to me is unusual. So the images of Leonard Dyck's body were probably taken on Highway 7.

 

[10ofRods]

Plus, there's a r11-eason why young people, particularly men, commit a high percentage of crimes relative to older people.

Testosterone and its byproducts. Both men and women produce more during adolescence, which is now roughly 11 -25 depending on who you talk to or whose theories you think work best. Strong, strong correlation and, as is so rare in science, also a pathway of causation. In the brain.

 

[LadyL]

Yes, the screenshots badly creeped me out when I first stumbled across them. Maybe a week or two ago?

I went back five or six pages and can't find which screenshots you're referring to?

 

[Zella]

The question is, what road? They said in the media it was a pullout on highway 37, but you look at photos of the road, it's more like a side road, since there's no center line dividing the directions, like you would find on a highway. Unfortunately, Googlemaps doesn't offer street view of Highway 37, or even a good overhead view of the area. I looked on youtube for possible driving videos past the Stickine , but no luck.
Edit. Okay I found a video of the valley, and it looks like this particular highway doesn't have a center line drawn on it, which to me is unusual. So the images of Leonard Dyck's body were probably taken on Highway 7.

Check out the first pic in this article. It's taken near where LD's body was found, and a distinct road center line is absent. Honestly, doesn't look too different from highways where I am in America.

Searching for answers: Sense of unease lingers in B.C.’s isolated north as police hunt suspects in remote killings

 

[Tilly23]

Someone showed the auction win for the van, the date was June 20th. I'm guessing that was Lucas Fowler who bid on it? Or did he buy it from someone else? If this was in Alberta, where did he and Chynna Deese meet? And did they drive or get a ride to pick up that van for their trip?

The auction win date is in 2018.

 

[Zella]

I went back five or six pages and can't find which screenshots you're referring to?

The screenshots on Bryer's Steam account. I've posted about them before. Give me a sec, and I will grab the link to my initial post (Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #13).

Steam Community :: Bryer :: Screenshots

 

[Shlock Homes]

The auction win date is in 2018.

Thanks, that clears up how long ago it was. Plenty of time for it to switch hands before Lucas Fowler got it.

 

[NJSleuth91]

So, it appears the sleeping bag could just be a practical camping item. But it could also be symbolic.

From what I have been reading about the game Rust, when you are killed (including if you choose the "kill" command on yourself) you start over in your next life - naked and with nothing but a rock. If you have a sleeping bag available (because you or a friend spent resources to create and place one in the game world) you can return to the game world on top of the sleeping bag. (Without a sleeping bag, you will reenter in a random location).

The sleeping bag concept can be used strategically. You can use them to get to the location in the game world where your friends are or near your camp where you may have left items. It can also be used as a kind of teleport to travel across the game world - kill yourself and respawn in a different location.

Suppose BS and KM could hear the helicopters and the approaching searchers. In the game, they need to either get away or have a confrontation. They would have probably realized they weren't likely to be successful in this confrontation (unlike the ones in BC) so they needed to get away.

They could not go back to the road without being discovered. They would not have wanted to head upstream on the river as Gillam and searchers were back there. When they looked downstream, they would have seen the rapids and no route past them. They would have felt stuck in the brush near where they were found. If they were playing the game, they could have placed a sleeping bag in the jon boat and sent it downstream. After they execute the "kill" command on themselves, they could respawn into the next life on the sleeping bag on the other side of the rapids and thus they would have escaped. It's a way of keeping control over the next move.

There is just something to this story that feels like they were following some kind of video game script. Even if they were actually aware on some level that it was real, they could have been going through the ritual of the game on another level in the interactions between themselves.

This is all speculation on my part. So MOO and all that jazz. And, of course, we may never really know.

Or something we haven't considered yet. What if they didn't start out delusional...but they became delusional in the woods? It's actually not that uncommon. In general hallucinations during high stress times are a lot more common than most people would expect. And that was probably one of the most high stress situations I can think of. Their last days were likely hell on earth.

And remember, these were two guys who could barely even handle working the night shift at Walmart and where at least one of them was on the verge of nervous breakdown after their car got stuck in the mud. Helicopters, search parties with dogs, nearly impossible to traverse swampy terrain, non-potable water, probably lack of food, THE BUGS, and the knowledge that they had no hope of escape...it's not out of the realm of possibility to think they started hallucinating after a few days. And because they were so close and had so many of the same influences, and were already clearly in some sort of a folie a deux survivalist thing, it's possible they started hallucinating about the same thing. JMO.

Testosterone and its byproducts. Both men and women produce more during adolescence, which is now roughly 11 -25 depending on who you talk to or whose theories you think work best. Strong, strong correlation and, as is so rare in science, also a pathway of causation. In the brain.

That definitely makes a lot of sense.

 

[1987]

I assume the red truck with cab over camper came from kam family, but I don't think we know where it came from or when it was first owned. I would like to know more about it though.

 

[CinNC]

I live close enough to Charlotte, NC that we sometimes go into the city of Charlotte for dinner. I have never seen the wave at other drivers around here. I am from NY/NJ where we definitely didn't have it. I then moved to rural Wisconsin where they definitely did do it; it was even a joke between my husband and I (he's a native Wisconsinite from a small town). Charlotte and its bedroom communities are in no way rural; they are quite cosmopolitan and what I would call a metropolis for southwestern North Carolina.

Also, unrelated but a random thought. Perhaps Chynna had gotten up in the middle of the night and left the van to "potty" (sorry, can't think of a better way to say it") and K and B, driving by, saw the van and her, thinking they would rob her easily and without incident if she was alone; possibly even kidnap her. Confrontation and shooting may have taken place just outside of the van when they surprised her. A noisy struggle ensues and Lucas wakes and jumps up to see what was going on and come to Chynna's rescue. At that point, one of the teens was rifling through her pocketbook, the glove compartment, etc. and being surprised by Lucas being in the van, turned and shot at him from the front seat, blowing the back window out in the process and injuring him. Before the teens even realize what has happened they have two people on their hands who can ID them. They may have shot Chynna and Lucas in the craziness of the fray - OR - they may have stood them outside next to one another and "calmly" shot them to eliminate their being able to identify them. Lucas may have been shot in or near the gut and it would have incapacitated him, making him unable to help Chynna. Chynna may have caused such a ruckus at this point that they reacted without thinking and shot her in the manner that the media has suggested - in the head. MOO