Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #16

[NJSleuth91]

Most definitely! I mentioned this possibility once before when considering their state of mind after being on the run for a while without adequate food, sleep or shelter. I'm not sure if you remember the story about the old woman who went missing berry picking during the same time period elsewhere in Manitoba - she was found after 5 days. She is the grandmother of a friend of a friend of mine. She apparently was completely delusional. She kept imagining people were showing up and offering help. They would demand money, however and when she told them she had none, they would leave. When the rescuers showed up, she had no idea whether they were real people or not.

Wow, really? I heard the story of the woman being rescued but they didn't say anything about her being delusional.

Honestly it's kind of terrifying thinking of them being delusional leading up to when they committed suicide...like they totally deserved it after what they did, but still, as sort of a "bleeding heart" person I feel horrified thinking of that possibility....But I almost think it's more likely than not that they were?

I have thought a fair bit about the gaming computer being left behind to burn. Maybe BS thought that his dad would buy him another better one, maybe they took the expensive parts out and put in a pocket, SSD, graphics card etc. hard to know without seeing it closer. but it seems Bryer would have struggled with losing something that would have been costly for him. All in, it seems they set the truck on fire and fled asap, willing to lose all their belongings. They surely must have known that they would be linked to the murder of a man just up the road? I think if their truck was running, Mr. D would not have died.

I think they knew there was no coming back. If they hadn't known it after the first two murders, they definitely knew it after the third. Otherwise they would have just gone home and hoped the police didn't call them in instead of going to Gillam. The computer is a big thing that makes me think this wasn't planned though.

 

[Seattle1]

This sounds logical to me and also suggestions Bryer definitely knew how to drive.

I also believe BS knew how to drive, but was unable to get a drivers license. I read today that Rx Adderall, Ritalin, etc., may prevent one from getting provisional license. Maybe after age 18 it's different. Perhaps it's tied to the Province provided insurance. MOO

 

[Seattle1]

There appear to be 2 different sets of tyre tracks at LD's crime scene. I think it would be reasonably safe to assume that one set belongs to his RAV 4. There may well be identical tracks leading up to where it was burnt near Gillam.

There is also a much wider track on the right-hand side of LD's crime scene which could belong to KM's truck. Once again, there may be matching tracks leading up to where it was burnt 2 kms away. They won't get tyre tracks from either vehicle once they were burnt.

Here are 2 screengrabs from the video on p.10 #195 showing LD's crime scene and the tracks.

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Thanks for photos -- haven't seen these before.

Is it possible the white tarp is where the body was located?

If so, this confirms to me that the alleged teen killers wanted the bodies to be found soon.

Bodies were not hidden - very visible from the roadway.

 

[srper2]

Wow, really? I heard the story of the woman being rescued but they didn't say anything about her being delusional.

Honestly it's kind of terrifying thinking of them being delusional leading up to when they committed suicide...like they totally deserved it after what they did, but still, as sort of a "bleeding heart" person I feel horrified thinking of that possibility....But I almost think it's more likely than not that they were?



I think they knew there was no coming back. If they hadn't known it after the first two murders, they definitely knew it after the third. Otherwise they would have just gone home and hoped the police didn't call them in instead of going to Gillam. The computer is a big thing that makes me think this wasn't planned though.

Yes, and as others here have wondered, will we learn later on that they had done something closer to home that had prompted the sudden urge to leave and travel a long way from home, and to possibly decide that they had nothing to lose by murdering people as well?

 

[NJSleuth91]

Yes, and as others here have wondered, will we learn later on that they had done something closer to home that had prompted the sudden urge to leave and travel a long way from home, and to possibly decide that they had nothing to lose by murdering people as well?

I personally don't think so as I think it likely would have been linked by now. However I do think there was some kind of trigger. I posted some articles stating that in almost all sudden/mass killings, there is some sort of event that happens, usually weeks or months before, that pushes the person over the edge. Something like a job or relationship loss. There is some evidence that Bryer didn't actually graduate and just pretended to, it's possible that one or both of them got fired from Walmart, and people also speculated that one or both of them may have been on the verge of getting kicked out of their home and being homeless...so I wonder if the trigger had something to do with that. I don't think they were in a good mindset when they left Port Alberni and the abruptness may have had more to do with feeling like they reached the limit of what they could take from their hometown and families, and just wanting to get as far away as possible with no clear plan, acting based on rage and depression. JMO.

 

[derbywinner]

You could be right in your curiosity as we know nothing about the ranch as it relates to L&C’s preparation for this trip.

Even if the van had been inspected, as it should’ve been in order to be registered and insured by LF in Alberta as it was more than 12 years old, I’d also question the standards of the Automotive Shop who performed the inspection because clearly it was prone to mechanical issues and Alaska was still a long way down the highway and passing through the Yukon was still ahead. Had the van not let them down, they wouldn’t have been parked on the side of the road with overheating issues on the 2nd day of their journey.

I'm also wondering maybe if the van wasn't broken down as bad as we might think. That instead they stayed put because it was a nice night, they were already parked, they felt safe and didn't want to miss scenery or risk hitting wildlife. It's something I might do. From experience our biggest threat driving any of those roads or parking isn't people; it's wildlife or harsh weather.

 

[JudgeJudi]

I would be very interested to see any pics of tyre marks from the area where the truck was burned.

I doubt we'll ever see any tyre tracks. This is the best image I can find showing an area behind the truck which I’ve enlarged for better viewing. I’m not sure whether LE would get decent tyre marks from that ground but we'd need to see a bigger area.



B.C. teens charged with 2nd-degree murder as Canada-wide manhunt continues

 

[srper2]

I doubt we'll ever see any tyre tracks. This is the best image I can find showing an area behind the truck which I’ve enlarged for better viewing. I’m not sure whether LE would get decent tyre marks from that ground but we'd need to see a bigger area.

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B.C. teens charged with 2nd-degree murder as Canada-wide manhunt continues

Thanks, still better than what I have seen!

 

[Sillybilly]

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[cherrytree9]

I also believe BS knew how to drive, but was unable to get a drivers license. I read today that Rx Adderall, Ritalin, etc., may prevent one from getting provisional license. Maybe after age 18 it's different. Perhaps it's tied to the Province provided insurance. MOO

I'm not in Canada so it could definitely be different there, but where I live ADHD medication/diagnosis doesn't outright prevent you from getting a licence, and I'd be surprised if it did anywhere else. The medications can cause blurry eyesight in some people, which can be a reason someone might not drive. But it's generally accepted that it's far safer for people with ADHD to drive while medicated rather than not.
(Obviously though we don't know if he even had ADHD or was prescribed anything at all.)

Whether he could drive or not, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't have a licence because he and his family just didn't have the money.

 

[mtnstream]

The report came from Dease Lake, BC.

“The two men were recognizable, as was their truck. Some residents of Dease Lake recalled them camping in a lot outside town, and RCMP searched there. Ms. Adams’s said her mother saw the men hitchhiking along the highway, each thumbing in a different direction.”
Searching for answers: Sense of unease lingers in B.C.’s isolated north as police hunt suspects in remote killings

Oh my, thought you meant the possible sighting near Gillam.

"A Twitter user, who was driving along Highway 280 late Monday night, said he was startled by a young man who jumped out at him, trying to catch a ride. He tweeted that he is unsure..."

RCMP focus on Gillam area in manhunt for B.C. murder suspects

The hitchhiking thing seems out-of-sorts, but who knows if they tried it? Especially with Mr. Dyke?

 

[Seattle1]

I'm not in Canada so it could definitely be different there, but where I live ADHD medication/diagnosis doesn't outright prevent you from getting a licence, and I'd be surprised if it did anywhere else. The medications can cause blurry eyesight in some people, which can be a reason someone might not drive. But it's generally accepted that it's far safer for people with ADHD to drive while medicated rather than not.
(Obviously though we don't know if he even had ADHD or was prescribed anything at all.)

Whether he could drive or not, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't have a licence because he and his family just didn't have the money.

It was alleged by local friend in msm news that BS would snort ADHD medication presumed to be his.

In BC, drivers under the age of 19 require the consent of parent or legal guardian. I believe all countries impose certain restrictions on "provisional licenses" which may or may not include medication. I agree - finances were probably the greatest deterrent.

MOO

 

[mtnstream]

I'm not in Canada so it could definitely be different there, but where I live ADHD medication/diagnosis doesn't outright prevent you from getting a licence, and I'd be surprised if it did anywhere else. The medications can cause blurry eyesight in some people, which can be a reason someone might not drive. But it's generally accepted that it's far safer for people with ADHD to drive while medicated rather than not.
(Obviously though we don't know if he even had ADHD or was prescribed anything at all.)

Whether he could drive or not, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't have a licence because he and his family just didn't have the money.

Looking again at the pictures, it does seem like the burning of both vehicles (near Dease Lake & near Fox Lake) were calling cards, of sorts..

 

[cartman]

I wonder if KM and BS thought burning the gaming computer would get rid of evidence/digital footprint.

 

[Deleted member 83851]

I wonder if KM and BS thought burning the gaming computer would get rid of evidence/digital footprint.

Yes they probably did think that. I can't imagine why destroy what must have been expensive tech. But even if they were as diligent and disciplined as Mr. Robot they would still have to contend with the members of the RCMP who are well-versed in following digital crumbs left online.

 

[Arizona 123]

Yet another thing that does not make conventional sense; why leave Mr. Dyck's body on show? It was mere yards from very dense forest. The two of them could have moved it into the thickets with ease, kicked some dirt on the bloodstains, and been on their way in his car. It's unlikely it would have been noticed for a long time. Even the burning truck would not have been a red flag then.

IMHO, this means it's more likely they simply didn't care about being discovered as the killers. Or wanted to be.

 

[Bluehorse]

Yes, one of the first things I noticed about the surveillance footage is they seemed to have no defensive wounds on them whatsoever. A little harder to tell with Bryer since he was wearing the long-sleeved, button-up camo, but Kam's arms and neck were very visible. I think whatever resistance the victims offered occurred at a distance and was probably primarily verbal. MOO

This statement from the RCMP always makes me go back to read again. "It is not clear at this point whether Fowler and Deese were targeted or attacked at random, or whether they were killed inside or outside of their vehicle. Police say they were shot where they were found." Here’s what we know about the 3 dead in northern B.C. and the suspects It can be interpreted as literal -that is, exactly where C and L were precisely found - on the ground together, a short distance apart. Or, it could also mean they were shot around/by the side of the van, in which case they would have been moved /dragged to the positions they were found in. Interested to see what RCMP says about this in their report- it points so much to motive (e. g. an assassination or unplanned - panic response by killers). RCMP should have evidence to support one or the other.

 

[SteveP]

Going back to view this video, at the very bottom of this link, taken by a passer-by who happened upon the LF/CD crime scene on the afternoon of July 16, while investigators were still processing the scene. I am struck by the number of evidence markers around the van, which seems to indicate a lot of violence, if even several of those markers are shell casings. But what also strikes me is the other scene, that appears to be several hundred yards back from where the van is parked. I am not even sure the van could even be seen from where the first evidence markers are, and several markers are there also. Any thoughts that the van and the original encounter may have been there, and Lucas was able to get the van started and rolling to where it came to rest, and more violence followed? Or is the first spot perhaps where BC and KM were parked, and if so, what are those markings? Have always been haunted by this video, as the surrounding scenery is breathtakingly beautiful, but also knowing the horror that took place in that very spot.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/brit...ead-british-columbia-alaska-highway-1.5220377

 

[srper2]

Going back to view this video, at the very bottom of this link, taken by a passer-by who happened upon the LF/CD crime scene on the afternoon of July 16, while investigators were still processing the scene. I am struck by the number of evidence markers around the van, which seems to indicate a lot of violence, if even several of those markers are shell casings. But what also strikes me is the other scene, that appears to be several hundred yards back from where the van is parked. I am not even sure the van could even be seen from where the first evidence markers are, and several markers are there also. Any thoughts that the van and the original encounter may have been there, and Lucas was able to get the van started and rolling to where it came to rest, and more violence followed? Or is the first spot perhaps where BC and KM were parked, and if so, what are those markings? Have always been haunted by this video, as the surrounding scenery is breathtakingly beautiful, but also knowing the horror that took place in that very spot.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/brit...ead-british-columbia-alaska-highway-1.5220377

Are you sure they aren't just a few barrier cones etc put a way back to stop some fool from driving up there and pulling in to have a look?

 

[Esprite]

I also believe BS knew how to drive, but was unable to get a drivers license. I read today that Rx Adderall, Ritalin, etc., may prevent one from getting provisional license. Maybe after age 18 it's different. Perhaps it's tied to the Province provided insurance. MOO

Both my grandsons held a valid drivers licence at 16 while on medication for ADD/ADHD. One lives in BC and the other in Alberta.