Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #16

[SteveP]

Are you sure they aren't just a few barrier cones etc put a way back to stop some fool from driving up there and pulling in to have a look?

That was my first impression, when I viewed this when it first was released, but looking at it now, I am not so sure, because in addition to the orange cones, there are also at least a couple of yellow evidence markers. You are probably right, but if so, there seems to perhaps have been some type of evidence left there. JMO

 

[Blue Amethyst]

SBM

This intrigues me, too. I get the impression they were a united front, for the most part, but I can't imagine them never once bickering at any point during this murder spree. If Bryer was nervous about driving, I could see him maybe not wanting to do it, and Kam being like, "Seriously? It's just up the road" But then again, the witness who pulled them out of the mud said that, though Bryer was freaking out, he was "doing all the work"--though what all the work would be in the situation where Kam is operating the vehicle being pulled out of the mud is beyond me--so maybe he volunteered for it and didn't have any qualms about it whatsoever.

I'm wondering if once the report is released if any of their decisions will make more sense or not.

Perhaps "all the work" was hooking up the chain or pull strap to the vehicle. He would have had to be in the water or mud to do that. I am sure the guy pulling had to tell him how to hook it up without yanking a bumper off. MOO

 

[Link Haze]

I'm not in Canada so it could definitely be different there, but where I live ADHD medication/diagnosis doesn't outright prevent you from getting a licence, and I'd be surprised if it did anywhere else. The medications can cause blurry eyesight in some people, which can be a reason someone might not drive. But it's generally accepted that it's far safer for people with ADHD to drive while medicated rather than not.
(Obviously though we don't know if he even had ADHD or was prescribed anything at all.)

Whether he could drive or not, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't have a licence because he and his family just didn't have the money.

I don't think it's that. His father said he never learned to ride a bike either, so he probably never had a desire in the first place.

 

[NJSleuth91]

I don't think it's that. His father said he never learned to ride a bike either, so he probably never had a desire in the first place.

Well I think the implication when Bryer's dad said that was that nobody ever got him a bike or taught him, since it was in the context of the statement "he hasn't been nurtured."

But like...it was probably something more like "we only have one car and we can't risk you messing it up and we can't afford driving school," I'm guessing. Or you know...if my theory about both of them having severe depression is correct, that would make it hard to bother with extraneous tasks like that.

Also is it really that weird to not have a license at 18? Most of my friends didn't have their license until 20 or 21 and I still have never gotten mine. None of us did it in high school. I'm in the NYC area but still, a lot of us lived in areas where cars are at least semi-necessary.

 

[otto]

I don't think it's that. His father said he never learned to ride a bike either, so he probably never had a desire in the first place.

Does it matter whether children want to learn to ride a bike, to swim, or read? Parents have a responsibility to equip their children with the skills to be independent productive participants in society.

I can understand a 16 year old deciding to delay learning to drive, but those who never learn are soon left behind by their peers. I think Kam taught Bryer how to drive, but Bryer did not have family encouragement and support to get his driver licence.

What we hear from Bryer's father is criticism about how Bryer was raised. Bryer's parents were divorced when he was 5 and the father was prevented from unsupervised contact with Bryer at the age of 8. Why didn't he teach Bryer to ride a bike between the ages of 5 and 8? If he really cared, he would have given him a bike and taught him to ride it.

 

[Moriarty]

Also is it really that weird to not have a license at 18? Most of my friends didn't have their license until 20 or 21 and I still have never gotten mine. None of us did it in high school. I'm in the NYC area but still, a lot of us lived in areas where cars are at least semi-necessary.

No, not that weird at all. My step-daughter just got her license at 24, and we live in a semi-rural area about an hour outside the city. Most of her friends were/are the same.

That doesn’t mean she doesn’t know how to operate a vehicle though. And many rural/semi-rural kids drive long before they are legally allowed to. I could drive when I was about 10 or 11...I just couldn’t reach the pedals!

 

[Link Haze]

Well I think the implication when Bryer's dad said that was that nobody ever got him a bike or taught him, since it was in the context of the statement "he hasn't been nurtured."

But like...it was probably something more like "we only have one car and we can't risk you messing it up and we can't afford driving school," I'm guessing. Or you know...if my theory about both of them having severe depression is correct, that would make it hard to bother with extraneous tasks like that.

Also is it really that weird to not have a license at 18? Most of my friends didn't have their license until 20 or 21 and I still have never gotten mine. None of us did it in high school. I'm in the NYC area but still, a lot of us lived in areas where cars are at least semi-necessary.

I never implied that it was "weird" to not have a license. I'm older, so everyone I know couldn't wait to get a license at age 16 and even started learning at age 13 or 14. In his case, I still believe he had no desire. Who knows, they could have obtained a bike from a thrift store when he was quite young, surely that would have been affordable. Perhaps he tried, but kept falling off and just gave up. Some kids figure "they'll never get it" so give up. There could be all sorts of reasons, but this is my hypothesis.

 

[NJSleuth91]

No, not that weird at all. My step-daughter just got her license at 24, and we live in a semi-rural area about an hour outside the city. Most of her friends were/are the same.

That doesn’t mean she doesn’t know how to operate a vehicle though. And many rural/semi-rural kids drive long before they are legally allowed to. I could drive when I was about 10 or 11...I just couldn’t reach the pedals!

If anything I would imagine Kam probably taught him...whether that was specifically for murder spree purposes or just because.

I never implied that it was "weird" to not have a license. I'm older, so everyone I know couldn't wait to get a license at age 16 and even started learning at age 13 or 14. In his case, I still believe he had no desire. Who knows, they could have obtained a bike from a thrift store when he was quite young, surely that would have been affordable. Perhaps he tried, but kept falling off and just gave up. Some kids figure "they'll never get it" so give up. There could be all sorts of reasons, but this is my hypothesis.

I think we will probably never know the answer. With the bike I think it was more that clearly a lot of bad stuff was going on at the time and that sort of thing likely fell by the wayside.

 

[otto]

I never implied that it was "weird" to not have a license. I'm older, so everyone I know couldn't wait to get a license at age 16 and even started learning at age 13 or 14. In his case, I still believe he had no desire. Who knows, they could have obtained a bike from a thrift store when he was quite young, surely that would have been affordable. Perhaps he tried, but kept falling off and just gave up. Some kids figure "they'll never get it" so give up. There could be all sorts of reasons, but this is my hypothesis.

Children should not be calling the shots about what they learn, and fathers should not be complaining that no one taught their child to ride a bike.

 

[NJSleuth91]

Children should not be calling the shots about what they learn, and fathers should not be complaining that no one taught their child to ride a bike.

And yet, here we are....

 

[Esprite]

A beautiful backstory:

Before Lucas Fowler died in northern B.C., he embraced a life there | The Star

 

[Link Haze]

I grew up in the 60's and back then there was a TON of love, nurturing and encouragement to learn and do all sorts of things, starting with reading at the youngest age possible. Kids were scolded and spanked (yes, spanked), but believe me, the spanking worked to prevent wrongdoing again. Times were great, kids were happy and safe (where we were anyway). Divorce wasn't common like it is now.

Times have really changed - too much reliance on plastic gadgets and virtual communication, social isolation, selfies, on and on... attention seeking and "upsmanship" seems to be of utmost importance. If BS or KM never got attention in their formative years, they sure got attention in July, 2019.

 

[Gina20]

I initially thought that too, but 9 is a huge number of cartridges, so I don't quite know what to make of them now. I think the lone orange marker closest to the road would be the most likely one to be a cartridge, but the others ... I hope not.

But maybe they were pellets, not cartridges.

 

[Gina20]

It totally would explain a lot. The main reason why I think they were under the influence is just it seems logical to me. Two troubled teenagers out on their own for the first time, in the middle of nowhere with NO cops for hundreds of miles around? What teenager would be sober?

That's a good point. Both of them seemed pretty sheltered, especially Bryer, and both seemed like they were very dependent on their families before this. I think that's part of the reason why they went off the rails so fast in the absence of any support system. But like if they really burned the car because they thought it was untraceable that way...that's like Murder 101!



LOL. Well I wouldn't say turnips necessarily, more like "Trailer Park Boys" level of dumb (see what I did there....) I mean...there is significant evidence of idiocy being present. I feel like they probably did think they could just hide out in the woods in Gillam though and that it would be like the woods near where they lived, without realizing a) the culture of that area where everyone knows everyone and keeps an eye out, and b) that it is such an inhospitable hellscape that there should be a death metal song written about it or something.

"Homicidal turnips" sounds more like a punk rock band.

I think these two were just mud bogging, like some good ole boys from a small town. You know: murder, mayhem and mud. Why not a little "Dukes of Hazzard"?

 

[LoisLane]

Leonard Dyck’s path to Dease Lake began with a lifetime of adventures | The Star

“He loved going to national parks, seeing buffalo, discovering areas that were the road less travelled,” Fleck said. “He would pack in with some farmers’ sausage eggs and a camp stove. He’s done that ever since he was a teenager.”

“When Dyck got married and had children, they would accompany him on trips to places such as Alaska. Last month, Fleck said, Dyck’s two sons might well have gone with their father on his northern B.C. excursion, if they hadn’t had other plans.

Shortly after leaving for his trip last July, Dyck sent his family a message to say he’d be carrying on along the back roads north of his original destinations of Terrace and Stewart.”

“Their whole family “lived and breathed” pacifism, and Dyck had avoided travelling to the U.S. in recent years because the country’s gun violence disturbed him. When his father passed away, and he had the chance to inherit a hunting firearm, Fleck said he was indignant in his refusal.”

 

[LoisLane]

Before Lucas Fowler died in northern B.C., he embraced a life there | The Star

“Erika and Christoph Weder got an email from Fowler in January, responding to their ad asking for help. He had just been awarded a two-year working visa for Canada and was staying in a Calgary hostel while looking for jobs.

Even though he didn’t have any ranch experience, the couple decided to take a chance and hire Fowler. He’d done a mechanical apprenticeship in Australia and they thought he could be handy at fixing things.”

“The Weders enthusiastically agreed. They even offered the blue van they acquired from a former employee, which Fowler spent his spare time fixing up before leaving.”

 

[Gina20]

Leonard Dyck’s path to Dease Lake began with a lifetime of adventures | The Star

“He loved going to national parks, seeing buffalo, discovering areas that were the road less travelled,” Fleck said. “He would pack in with some farmers’ sausage eggs and a camp stove. He’s done that ever since he was a teenager.”

“When Dyck got married and had children, they would accompany him on trips to places such as Alaska. Last month, Fleck said, Dyck’s two sons might well have gone with their father on his northern B.C. excursion, if they hadn’t had other plans.

Shortly after leaving for his trip last July, Dyck sent his family a message to say he’d be carrying on along the back roads north of his original destinations of Terrace and Stewart.”

“Their whole family “lived and breathed” pacifism, and Dyck had avoided travelling to the U.S. in recent years because the country’s gun violence disturbed him. When his father passed away, and he had the chance to inherit a hunting firearm, Fleck said he was indignant in his refusal.”

How ironic that LD loved the buffalo, as did Lucas Fowler, who lived on a ranch with buffalo and was said to admire them.

 

[NJSleuth91]

“Their whole family “lived and breathed” pacifism, and Dyck had avoided travelling to the U.S. in recent years because the country’s gun violence disturbed him. When his father passed away, and he had the chance to inherit a hunting firearm, Fleck said he was indignant in his refusal.”

Heartbreaking. He sounds like a man who lived his life with honor and integrity...and this is how it ends....

Also I guess that ends the discussion of if they stole any firearms from Prof Dyck.

 

[otto]

Leonard Dyck’s path to Dease Lake began with a lifetime of adventures | The Star

“He loved going to national parks, seeing buffalo, discovering areas that were the road less travelled,” Fleck said. “He would pack in with some farmers’ sausage eggs and a camp stove. He’s done that ever since he was a teenager.”

“When Dyck got married and had children, they would accompany him on trips to places such as Alaska. Last month, Fleck said, Dyck’s two sons might well have gone with their father on his northern B.C. excursion, if they hadn’t had other plans.

Shortly after leaving for his trip last July, Dyck sent his family a message to say he’d be carrying on along the back roads north of his original destinations of Terrace and Stewart.”

“Their whole family “lived and breathed” pacifism, and Dyck had avoided travelling to the U.S. in recent years because the country’s gun violence disturbed him. When his father passed away, and he had the chance to inherit a hunting firearm, Fleck said he was indignant in his refusal.”

Thank goodness the family is speaking loudly about online suggestions that the murderers obtained their weapons from the victims!

 

[Gina20]

Before Lucas Fowler died in northern B.C., he embraced a life there | The Star

“Erika and Christoph Weder got an email from Fowler in January, responding to their ad asking for help. He had just been awarded a two-year working visa for Canada and was staying in a Calgary hostel while looking for jobs.

Even though he didn’t have any ranch experience, the couple decided to take a chance and hire Fowler. He’d done a mechanical apprenticeship in Australia and they thought he could be handy at fixing things.”

“The Weders enthusiastically agreed. They even offered the blue van they acquired from a former employee, which Fowler spent his spare time fixing up before leaving.”

“He was absolutely, completely in love with the buffalo. They’re just so pure,” Erika said.