Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #17

[sprucetip]

There are basically 2 types of 'industry' up north in the Yukon. 1. Road Construction; 2. Gold Mining. The work season is very short because of snow. This work on both 2 'work options' begins in the Spring, usually April and ends sometimes as early as beginning of October. Anyone LEGITIMATELY wanting to find work up there, aside from waiter in a restaurant, knows that. People do not go up in the middle of July to look for work unless they are specifically qualified and certified for something. Also in British Columbia most everyone knows that if you are young (like their age) and you actually want to make some bigger money working than minimum wage at somewhere like Walmart - then you go to Site C Dam construction or you go to the oil sands north of Fort McMurray in Alberta.

Unless they weren't really coming up here for summer work and wanting a more long-term work solution. Local establishments are desperate for workers year-round but then that relegates them back to Walmart or restaurant jobs. There's also the high cost of living and almost impossible to find housing.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Do you know around what day it changed?

I believe they were still up Fri July 26th then gone Sat July 27th. I'm still trying to find that article. It was hard to find in the first place and now time has past...

I think in this article:
As mother pleads for fugitive son’s return, RCMP call in Armed Forces to aid in search for suspected killers | The Star

 

[KR72]

I’d say it’s near impossible for young people with no prior experience nor qualifications to walk onto a job site and get hired in either Alberta or B.C., or anywhere in Canada for that matter. For one thing, HR is rarely located in the same location and employment standards involving equal hiring opportunity require all jobs be publicly advertised. The exception is smaller companies not under contract looking for casual, short term labour.

Definitely. Their "job search" was either a lie that they concocted or a case of entitlement. I work in an industry where a lot of young men feel that they're entitled to earn big paycheques (even though they have a bare minimum grade 12), but don't want to start at the bottom like everyone else. Heaven forbid they actually have to put in some time before they go rushing off to buy some 90k gas guzzling monster truck!!

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I don't think I've seen this pic of Bryer before. Looks like computer tower in background and maybe Kam in plaid shirt on computer? Hhhmm is Bryer drinking beer? Looks like a pop can in background and gaming headphones too.

 

[ldlager]

The very first mention of the video on a cellphone came from an anonymous source, a family member, who hadn’t seen it but claimed 30 seconds had been shown to other family members. Officially, at this point in time the RCMP have not confirmed it’s content or any other details.

I have been away and catching up. Does anyone here know if LE is under any obligation to EVER release the full video and/or transcripts, even if the young men are never charged with the other 2 murders?

 

[Optics]

I’d say it’s near impossible for young people with no prior experience nor qualifications to walk onto a job site and get hired in either Alberta or B.C., or anywhere in Canada for that matter. For one thing, HR is rarely located in the same location and employment standards involving equal hiring opportunity require all jobs be publicly advertised. The exception is smaller companies not under contract looking for casual, short term labour.

But I think it’s entirely possible B&K did lead their family to believe they were aware of a lucrative job opportunity, even if they were not, in order to experience freedom and the use of a truck and camper. A notion to suddenly quit their jobs at Walmart to go on an extended road trip which required a vehicle might not have went over very well. It wouldn’t be the first time teens have created a ruse to pull the wool over their parents eyes to do something that otherwise wouldn’t fly.

@MistyWaters not at all for Fort McMurray oil sands/fields same as Site C as plain labors to start, you can literally go up there and land a job same day no prob

 

[NJSleuth91]

Wow really? I had no idea. Are they legally allowed? So nuts as they seem so tight to not give out info on folk's profiles but yet have the big brother power to delete at their discretion? Scary.

Of course they're allowed. They're a private company and they're allowed to set their own rules over what to put on their platform.

It is weird that their Instagrams are still up though, considering it's all owned by the same company.

Early in the case when Bryer’s IG link was first posted here I had a look. Then about a week later I went back to look at their IG’s again because posters here were talking about a pic of him and Kam together and I had never seen a pic of the two of them together. I also wondered if Bryer’s IG was scrubbed as I thought there was more than one pic... but I’m not as certain on that one.

Well there was a picture of him on there with a gun in his mouth, which was deleted by Instagram at some point (and was up for who knows how long...great job Instagram). No idea if there were other pictures as well.

Dark Portrait Emerging of Teenage BC Murder Suspect

I believe they were still up Fri July 26th then gone Sat July 27th. I'm still trying to find that article. It was hard to find in the first place and now time has past...

I think in this article:
As mother pleads for fugitive son’s return, RCMP call in Armed Forces to aid in search for suspected killers | The Star

In that case it definitely wasn't Kam and Bryer that deleted them. They were most likely dead by the 27th and they definitely didn't have internet out in the wilderness.

 

[FactFinder3000]

@MistyWaters not at all for Fort McMurray oil sands/fields same as Site C as plain labors to start, you can literally go up there and land a job same day no prob

Do you have any source for this? Because I've never been able to find one. Surely these jobs would be advertised somewhere if they really wanted people?

 

[sandbar]

I think they didn't want the murder to go unnoticed. I think they definitely wanted their names out there and notoriety hence the burning up of vehicles. Dare I say, maybe that's why they chose a young, attractive couple as they knew the media would jump on that and be all over that (which they shallowly and sadly do).

That's my take on it too. I think purchasing the guns might make the murders pre-meditated, especially if they didn't make it to Whitehorse.

 

[sandbar]

I thought Facebook deleted them. I actually found an archive of Bryer's Facebook on the Wayback Machine (it scrapes the web and archives snapshots of web pages) and I'm pretty sure it was archived on July 24th, which, if so, means they definitely didn't delete it.



If that was the case you would think there would be more social media presence from both of them. Usually killers who are doing it for notoriety, like Elliott Rodger, use social media a lot more. And they could have really played up the "killer duo" aspect with cryptic messages to each other, etc. Instead they had a very small social media presence for teenagers. There's literally only one picture of them together (the butterflies one). Kam's Instagram posts were all from years ago and I don't think any of them were even pictures of him.

And broadcasting it may have been in their plan, but there is very spotty internet that far north. Thses crimes happened in remote areas.

 

[Jan424]

If that was the case though, wouldn't they have burned the computer right after the first two murders, and maybe dumped it in the woods where nobody would find it? Why wait four days before burning it? And clearly they kept at least one phone which was probably linked to the same accounts. Plus it goes without saying that they did a terrible job of covering their tracks in general.

You know, I don’t have an answer for that. I just don’t think leaving their computers behind was ever an option, no matter what the reason for their road trip. JMO

 

[NJSleuth91]

And broadcasting it may have been in their plan, but there is very spotty internet that far north. Thses crimes happened in remote areas.

Generally these "notoriety" killers post things on social media leading up to the spree, probably for exactly the reason that it's going to be hit or miss whether they'll be able to record their crimes.

EDIT: Also I read somewhere that the vast majority of mass/spree killers tell someone about their plans before doing it. It is possible they told someone and the RCMP knows about it, but hasn't released that information.

 

[sandbar]

Generally these "notoriety" killers post things on social media leading up to the spree, probably for exactly the reason that it's going to be hit or miss whether they'll be able to record their crimes.

Quite possible.

 

[FactFinder3000]

I have been away and catching up. Does anyone here know if LE is under any obligation to EVER release the full video and/or transcripts, even if the young men are never charged with the other 2 murders?

They are not under any obligation to release the video. I posted a link earlier where the RCMP notes that they are free to reject requests made under the Access to Information Act. I'm sure they would do everything they could to prevent this video getting out there.

In fact, I think anybody expecting the RCMP to give us their detailed findings is going to be disappointed. In my opinion, what they are going to tell us is why they are confident that Kam and Bryer were the perpetrators of the 3 murders in northern BC, and they will tell us that in general terms. We will not be getting the complete results of their investigation. That sort of information typically comes out at trial, and there isn't going to be one in this case.

 

[Optics]

I have been away and catching up. Does anyone here know if LE is under any obligation to EVER release the full video and/or transcripts, even if the young men are never charged with the other 2 murders?

They have Zero obligation. The only way I suppose would be if the victim families filed a lawsuit against the murder suspect families....

 

[sandbar]

They are not under any obligation to release the video. I posted a link earlier where the RCMP notes that they are free to reject requests made under the Access to Information Act. I'm sure they would do everything they could to prevent this video getting out there.

In fact, I think anybody expecting the RCMP to give us their detailed findings is going to be disappointed. In my opinion, what they are going to tell us is why they are confident that Kam and Bryer were the perpetrators of the 3 murders in northern BC, and they will tell us that in general terms. We will not be getting the complete results of their investigation. That sort of information typically comes out at trial, and there isn't going to be one in this case.

I'm inclined to agree. We will get broad strokes. A journalist or news outlet might petition and push and keep at it though.

 

[scrappinkat]

In the original shorter clip, we don't yet see the white saloon pull up alongside the van between it and the store; this happens toward the end of the longer version. Three guys in this vehicle park alongside the van but aren't interested in getting gas. That'd be unusual in itself given the distances between gas stations, but what is also disturbing is that a rear passenger gets out and briefly enters the store where Lucas and Chynna are already inside, before returning to the vehicle and driving away. Inside cctv security footage of those few minutes would be interesting.

I thought that the actions of the white car was odd as well, almost menacing. At the very least it’s people who don’t know how to use designated parking spots for store purchases.

 

[sandbar]

FWIW...

How Murder Coverage Can Inspire Copycat Killers

 

[NJSleuth91]

They are not under any obligation to release the video. I posted a link earlier where the RCMP notes that they are free to reject requests made under the Access to Information Act. I'm sure they would do everything they could to prevent this video getting out there.

In fact, I think anybody expecting the RCMP to give us their detailed findings is going to be disappointed. In my opinion, what they are going to tell us is why they are confident that Kam and Bryer were the perpetrators of the 3 murders in northern BC, and they will tell us that in general terms. We will not be getting the complete results of their investigation. That sort of information typically comes out at trial, and there isn't going to be one in this case.

I think due to the news coverage of the case and the people all over the country who were affected, they will have to release information on motive, background, and all that just for closure. They did in the Danforth Ave shooting for exactly that reason and the affected people said that it was cathartic for them to know more information about why this happened. Also right after their bodies were found, the RCMP talked about how they were employing behavioral specialists to try to find the motive. I doubt they would mention that to the public if they weren't planning to release those findings.

I think we will know: motive, whether it was premeditated or not, warning signs and events leading up to the murders if there were any, possible diagnoses that could have contributed, where the guns came from, their best estimated route, forensics related to the murders, witness sightings, general details of the autopsy report, and general details of the goodbye message and any other messages they might have recorded (I'm hoping for a transcript but who knows).

Also I bet anything that isn't in the report, will all come out on some Fifth Estate documentary in a year or two anyway.

 

[scrappinkat]

Okay but then there’s this. Either AS knew of their intentions in advance or he didn’t know, but it can’t be both.

“Alan Schmegelsky, Bryer’s father, said the pair, best friends since elementary school, had been working night shifts at Walmart in Port Alberni to save money for the trip.”
RCMP not ruling out link between missing Alberni teens, body found near truck, double slaying

Maybe the while leaving town after graduating was something they had discussed earlier in the year, and Alan maybe thought that it had been decided they would work for a bit, hopefully get a good work reference and even save up money to go. So when he was texted about it happening “today” he was surprised.