Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #17

[NJSleuth91]

It's one bizarre coincidence to go to the place where the Chetwynd double murder suspect was found, IMO. The chance of that happening is nil., but they did.

Considering it's the end of the highway that one would take if trying to avoid large cities, it's really not that bizarre of a coincidence.

 

[Arizona 123]

Driving thousands of miles across country to the very end of the road seems quite indicative of their mindset.

I wonder if they knew it was the end of the road? On some maps, the Wapusk Trail shows up,
Wapusk Trail - Wikipedia
It's an ice road that goes from Gillam into northern Ontario near James Bay. A very long way. Did they just glance at a map, see the dashed line, and think it was a year-round road?

 

[Zella]

I'm not sure they picked Gillam for any specific reason. I think they either took a wrong turn and just went with it or they were just aimlessly driving anywhere but back home, and that's where the road took them. And then the road ended.

 

[NJSleuth91]

I wonder if they knew it was the end of the road? On some maps, the Wapusk Trail shows up,
Wapusk Trail - Wikipedia
It's an ice road that goes from Gillam into northern Ontario near James Bay. A very long way. Did they just glance at a map, see the dashed line, and think it was a year-round road?

You would think, if this was planned, they would do more planning than just glancing at a map. Especially because that road does not show up on Google Maps, at least not this time of year.

Now, if this wasn't planned, it's possible that they thought they could continue on that road.

EDIT: But if they did, then they would end up in a place called "Polar Bear Provincial Park." That sounds like literally the worst place to hide out.

 

[Esprite]

I wonder if they knew it was the end of the road? On some maps, the Wapusk Trail shows up,
Wapusk Trail - Wikipedia
It's an ice road that goes from Gillam into northern Ontario near James Bay. A very long way. Did they just glance at a map, see the dashed line, and think it was a year-round road?

Once you reach the Hudson Bay area, it's a very long way to anywhere.

 

[katydid23]

"Polar Bear Provincial Park."====<<<It does sound like a terrifying place to try and hide out.

 

[SaranWrapPetunia]

DBM

 

[Esprite]

"Polar Bear Provincial Park."====<<<It does sound like a terrifying place to try and hide out.

Definitely not for the faint of heart.

 

[10ofRods]

I think both of them were really immature for their age. They had a lot of growing up to do.



Same (actually there's a thread on Websleuths about "risky stuff you do" where I talked about some of that). I feel like murder is sort of a different thing though since it's literally designed to hurt people. But if they did say goodbye to their families, I think they probably at least realized at some point how much this would hurt their families, and maybe felt guilty about it. JMO.

I think so too. I'm so tired of the "but they're children until they are 25!) No, there are benchmarks to hit, and at 18, we expect more common sense, ethical development and critical thinking. I realize that we're probably not at the peak of our game in raising adults in North America, but...even so, these two are really at the tail end of some curve, for their age group.

I like look at Kohlberg's stages of moral development and here we seem to have the earliest stage. No idea why you should do the right thing (or might do it). The only reason to behave well is that you might be punished. If you can evade punishment, go ahead and do it (if you want to).

Even then, a dose of common sense can be helpful in preventing people from killing each other. I just don't get it. But I know people who say they grew up around people like this and that there are more of them than I think.

OTOH, if drugs or mental illness are involved (brain chemistry), then all bets off. I've seen some crazy stuff done by people who are in some form of psychosis. Nothing like this, of course, but goes beyond immaturity.

I just can't tell, at all, how this all got started, don't know how to begin to analyze the causes.

 

[Esprite]

I think so too. I'm so tired of the "but they're children until they are 25!) No, there are benchmarks to hit, and at 18, we expect more common sense, ethical development and critical thinking. I realize that we're probably not at the peak of our game in raising adults in North America, but...even so, these two are really at the tail end of some curve, for their age group.

I like look at Kohlberg's stages of moral development and here we seem to have the earliest stage. No idea why you should do the right thing (or might do it). The only reason to behave well is that you might be punished. If you can evade punishment, go ahead and do it (if you want to).

Even then, a dose of common sense can be helpful in preventing people from killing each other. I just don't get it. But I know people who say they grew up around people like this and that there are more of them than I think.

OTOH, if drugs or mental illness are involved (brain chemistry), then all bets off. I've seen some crazy stuff done by people who are in some form of psychosis. Nothing like this, of course, but goes beyond immaturity.

I just can't tell, at all, how this all got started, don't know how to begin to analyze the causes.

It seems that the delusional online netherworld has changed any preconceived notions of behavioural normalcy.

 

[Gina20]

New lows:

Father of BC murder suspect fighting to see video of 'last will and testament'

 

[KR72]

Yay!! Finally, we're back up!

This came out while WS was down.

Father of suspected northern B.C. killer seeks access to video of 'last will and testament'
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/northern-bc-suspects-video-1.5259069

 

[elondriel]

Yay!! Finally, we're back up!

This came out while WS was down.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/northern-bc-suspects-video-1.5259069

Just came here to post the same. And welcome back WS!

I feel bad for AS here. I understand why Bryer's mother would be his next of kin if he was younger and she had custody, but wouldn't his father now be as well now that he is an adult especially when the had re-connected? Unless in the video he specified the message to his mother only? Just my thoughts on it.

 

[Gina20]

So now it becomes apparent why AS had to learn from the media about his son going missing. The RCMP say he is not BS's next of kin. He wasn't invited to the funeral. And now he will learn about the video on the news like everyone else? Yikes. So much for privacy laws.

 

[LoisLane]

New lows:

Father of BC murder suspect fighting to see video of 'last will and testament'

I’m guessing he was the family member who let media know about the video a few days ago. His openness has cut him off of access to information no doubt. If Bryer addresses his parents or dad specifically he must be entitled to see the message. I hope the RCMP gives AS this courtesy before the presser.

 

[scrappinkat]

It’s exceptionally cruel for Bryers mother to not inform the father of anything regarding his burial. The police should be doing more to ensure he gets to see the 30 second video too. Not telling him no and then saying but keep this our little secret.

 

[Gina20]

Just came here to post the same. And welcome back WS!

I feel bad for AS here. I understand why Bryer's mother would be his next of kin if he was younger and she had custody, but wouldn't his father now be as well now that he is an adult especially when the had re-connected? Unless in the video he specified the message to his mother only? Just my thoughts on it.

Legal age is 19 in B.C. He was 18. Kids do get a say in custody once they're a certain age.

 

[Gina20]

I’m guessing he was the family member who let media know about the video a few days ago. His openness has cut him off of access to information no doubt. If Bryer addresses his parents or dad specifically he must be entitled to see the message. I hope the RCMP gives AS this courtesy before the presser.

They didn't tell him Bryer was missing.

 

[tabitha111]

So this confirms there is a video! Letter in photo.Father of BC murder suspect fighting to see video of 'last will and testament'

 

[LoisLane]

It’s exceptionally cruel for Bryers mother to not inform the father of anything regarding his burial. The police should be doing more to ensure he gets to see the 30 second video too. Not telling him no and then saying but keep this our little secret.

They are still tearing each other apart even in the darkest of times. AS did so with the book and blaming and so I’m guessing it’s mom’s turn now. It’s sick and sad and cruel.