Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #17

[dixiegirl1035]

I am more than 20 Pages behind and trying to catch up. Can someone give the link of the mainstream media which said that this video was done right before they killed themselves. ( versus at the outset)

I see in the threads they're talking about what they want done, but I have never seen the original post and I'm trying to go backwards but I'm short on time so I was hoping that somebody else has that

TIA

 

[FactFinder3000]

I just noticed an interesting point: the messages that AS sent to Bryer all have a blue circle with a check mark in them. That means they were sent but Bryer never received them.

The first message was sent 7:37 PM, July 12, which is the evening of the day they left.

So it appears that on the entire trip Bryer never connected his phone to the internet. Strange.

 

[MistyWaters]

The person they met who initially said they could help them find work didn't pan out? They thought there was more work up there than there actually was? The pay wasn't what they epxected? The place they had planned on parking and camping for the first while didn't pan out? One of them got home sick? They didn't like the smell of the air? There could be a number of reasons why they would do that.....If we can speculate on Why they MAY have murdered 3 people, why can we not do the same for why they may have opted out of looking for work in Whitehorse?

Or they never made it as far as Whitehorse, nor was looking for work ever their prime intention even if their families believed they’d head straight there?

The RCMP stated they were building a timeline and they do have the means to do so through CCTV, Highway cams, cellphone towers, purchase card usage, possibly even space satellite imagery, etc. Once they release the conclusion of their investigation, the actual route will be interesting to learn.

But even if murdering wasn’t preplanned (which I don’t think was), it’s not a real stretch to imagine an 18 and 19 who first experience a taste of freedom - nobody watching over them, no curfews, no watching a clock (time to go to school or work), nobody nagging at them to clean their room or help with yard or housework - nobody to answer to - often they go a little stir crazy. Toss in alcohol or pot (legal in Canada) or other illegal drugs, poor judgement, lack of self control, hot tempers, a thrill in crossing moral boundaries including a rise out of theft, “winning” (as emphasized by intensive video game play), no police for hours around and no cellphone/911 coverage.

A minor comparison, drop a wallet full of cash and ID on the street. Some people would take the money and toss the wallet in the garbage, others would turn it over to the police, money intact, so it can be returned to a grateful owner. K&B would fall into the first group. They murdered even if robbery was the initial motive because they thought they’d get away with it and then fled thinking nobody would ever find them. Cowardly, their suicide was an admission of their defeat.
JMO

 

[Jan424]

DBM

 

[FactFinder3000]

I am more than 20 Pages behind and trying to catch up. Can someone give the link of the mainstream media which said that this video was done right before they killed themselves. ( versus at the outset)

I see in the threads they're talking about what they want done, but I have never seen the original post and I'm trying to go backwards but I'm short on time so I was hoping that somebody else has that

TIA

The definitive source for the latest developments is the letter pictured in this news article.

There's nothing about when the video was recorded though. I think there's zero chance the video wasn't recorded shortly before death, but it's not a verified fact.

Father of BC murder suspect fighting to see video of 'last will and testament'

 

[Jan424]

It's easy to go back and forth as they seem so scattered. I still think it was 90% planned:

- I think the getting the jobs at Walmart was part of the plan from the get-go, it was never meant to be a long term job but a means to an end to make some cash
- If one of them got their PAL, that was part of a plan
- Buying two guns was part of a plan
- Coming up with a story that maybe spiraled into more lies to family part of a plan

I think the computer towers were packed because torching the vehicle was always part of the plan - they wanted to burn ALL evidence and every single internet search they did (in an odd I think possible they didn't want their families to know all they searched).

If they got PAL and guns to learn to hunt, I think we would've heard by now of them escorting hunters or friends who hunt on trips to learn to hunt before going on their own. I don't think they had any intention to hunt animals.

I think the "scattered" part comes in as I think they were extremely naive expecting it to be like a movie road trip and their plan kinda fell apart because what looks good on paper, doesn't necessarily unfold like that "in real life" when unpredictable humans are involved. Sounds like they never ventured away from home on their own before and it shows in their mistakes. Totally MOO

This makes the most sense to me regarding it being a planned trip. Particularly the computer towers going with them .... I always thought they didn't want anyone to get their hands on them (particularly law enforcement) to discover anything they might have done or searched online. JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

I am more than 20 Pages behind and trying to catch up. Can someone give the link of the mainstream media which said that this video was done right before they killed themselves. ( versus at the outset)

I see in the threads they're talking about what they want done, but I have never seen the original post and I'm trying to go backwards but I'm short on time so I was hoping that somebody else has that

TIA

The very first mention of the video on a cellphone came from an anonymous source, a family member, who hadn’t seen it but claimed 30 seconds had been shown to other family members. Officially, at this point in time the RCMP have not confirmed it’s content or any other details.

 

[MistyWaters]

This makes the most sense to me regarding it being a planned trip. Particularly the computer towers going with them .... I always thought they didn't want anyone to get their hands on them (particularly law enforcement) to discover anything they might have done or searched online. JMO

Even on the premise of job hunting in locations hundreds of miles from home, that indicates they were moving away with no set plans to return to Port Alberni. So I can see why they’d take as many personal belonging with them as they could reasonable fit in the truck and camper.

 

[CinNC]

The person they met who initially said they could help them find work didn't pan out? They thought there was more work up there than there actually was? The pay wasn't what they expected? The place they had planned on parking and camping for the first while didn't pan out? One of them got home sick? They didn't like the smell of the air? There could be a number of reasons why they would do that.....If we can speculate on Why they MAY have murdered 3 people, why can we not do the same for why they may have opted out of looking for work in Whitehorse?

It is my understanding (through reading about this case) that the jobs they were after were in the construction industry, where it is easy to get hired. Being a Summer weather driven spike in construction hiring, I read in an article that they would find slim pickin's for jobs in mid-July since the construction season was almost half over.

They may have found little to no opportunities by the time they got there.

 

[CanadianMade]

Or they never made it as far as Whitehorse, nor was looking for work ever their prime intention even if their families believed they’d head straight there?

The RCMP stated they were building a timeline and they do have the means to do so through CCTV, Highway cams, cellphone towers, purchase card usage, possibly even space satellite imagery, etc. Once they release the conclusion of their investigation, the actual route will be interesting to learn.

But even if murdering wasn’t preplanned (which I don’t think was), it’s not a real stretch to imagine an 18 and 19 who first experience a taste of freedom - nobody watching over them, no curfews, no watching a clock (time to go to school or work), nobody nagging at them to clean their room or help with yard or housework - nobody to answer to - often they go a little stir crazy. Toss in alcohol or pot (legal in Canada) or other illegal drugs, poor judgement, lack of self control, hot tempers, a thrill in crossing moral boundaries including a rise out of theft, “winning” (as emphasized by intensive video game play), no police for hours around and no cellphone/911 coverage.

A minor comparison, drop a wallet full of cash and ID on the street. Some people would take the money and toss the wallet in the garbage, others would turn it over to the police, money intact, so it can be returned to a grateful owner. K&B would fall into the first group. They murdered even if robbery was the initial motive because they thought they’d get away with it and then fled thinking nobody would ever find them. Cowardly, their suicide was an admission of their defeat.
JMO

Maybe.....but maybe not.
At this point we know so very little that it is still possible that they made it to Whitehorse and left. It is still possible that they didn't. It is still possible that they did not kill Lucas and Chynna. It is still possible that they did. NONE of us know either way on any of these things, however it seems there are many here who have already made up their minds about it all even without knowing for sure what did or did not happen.
That is all I am saying. Same thing I have been saying all along. Wait for the facts. There is no use dominating the threads with the same things over and over again.

 

[MistyWaters]

It is my understanding (through reading about this case) that the jobs they were after were in the construction industry, where it is easy to get hired. Being a Summer weather driven spike in construction hiring, I read in an article that they would find slim pickin's for jobs in mid-July since the construction season was almost half over.

They may have found little to no opportunities by the time they got there.

The timeline would be very tight if they left Port Alberni on July 12, drove all the way to Whitehorse only to discover a lack of jobs, then immediately turned back and were in the Laird Hot Springs area by the night of July 14th. The shortest route requires at least 40 hours of driving time.

 

[MistyWaters]

Maybe.....but maybe not.
At this point we know so very little that it is still possible that they made it to Whitehorse and left. It is still possible that they didn't. It is still possible that they did not kill Lucas and Chynna. It is still possible that they did. NONE of us know either way on any of these things, however it seems there are many here who have already made up their minds about it all even without knowing for sure what did or did not happen.
That is all I am saying. Same thing I have been saying all along. Wait for the facts. There is no use dominating the threads with the same things over and over again.

The RCMP have never wavered from the fact the two were identified as suspects in the murder of three people. After the final report is released, I suppose it can be argued into eternity whether or not people believe the evidence but as far as the RCMP are concerned, the evidence which linked them to the murders was also the reason for the intensive manhunt.

From the most recent press conference -

“At a press conference Wednesday afternoon, B.C. RCMP Assistant Commissioner Kevin Hackett said while officers continue to investigate, it will be “extremely difficult” to determine what the motive was.....

....He did confirm, however, that there is “significant evidence” linking the suspects to both crime scenes....

.....He also said the RCMP are not actively looking at any other suspect in connection with the case.”
B.C. murder suspects Bryer Schmegelsky, Kam McLeod believed to be dead

 

[CanadianMade]

The RCMP have never wavered from the fact the two were identified as suspects in the murder of three people. After the final report is released, I suppose it can be argued into eternity whether or not people believe the evidence but as far as the RCMP are concerned, the evidence which linked them to the murders was also the reason for the intensive manhunt.

From the most recent press conference -

“At a press conference Wednesday afternoon, B.C. RCMP Assistant Commissioner Kevin Hackett said while officers continue to investigate, it will be “extremely difficult” to determine what the motive was.....

....He did confirm, however, that there is “significant evidence” linking the suspects to both crime scenes....

.....He also said the RCMP are not actively looking at any other suspect in connection with the case.”
B.C. murder suspects Bryer Schmegelsky, Kam McLeod believed to be dead

There have been Many times in the past where someone has been named a suspect by LE(including RCMP) and then later found out Not to have committed the crime. Until we have further information as to What that "significant evidence" is, we do NOT know whether they have or have not committed those murders.
Some of the most notorious murders in history have a Long list of suspects of which none of the them actually did it.

 

[Optics]

I'm not sure why everyone is stuck on parsing Bryer's cell phone. It is a very realistic assumption that they used Kam's phone to record their last comments/will/whatever - or had a burner phone. I also feel the issue of them 'going to Whitehorse to look for work' is a pure lie - nothing more, nothing less. As I said countless threads ago when this same issue was being discussed. It's purely unrealistic for them to leave PA on the 12th and at earliest arrive in Whitehorse late Saturday night, then leave toward Liard Hot Springs on the 14th. You will hardly find a soul who would arrive very late Saturday night into Whitehorse and expect to talk to employers about work. That just is not the way it works, whether you are 18, 19 or 49 years old.

 

[sandbar]

dbm

 

[Jan424]

Even on the premise of job hunting in locations hundreds of miles from home, that indicates they were moving away with no set plans to return to Port Alberni. So I can see why they’d take as many personal belonging with them as they could reasonable fit in the truck and camper.

Yes, definitely. I was just saying, if this was a planned thrill kill joyride, that's my thoughts on why they took the computers. But, as I've mentioned before, I keep going back and forth on what I think this trip was truly all about. I guess that's the million dollar question here. JMO

 

[sprucetip]

Either way, the drive to Whitehorse with only one person driving would have taken 2-3 days. I don't think we know what time they left on July 12th (do we?) but we know the murders happened on the night of July 14th-15th. If they told their families they went up there and spent enough time there to decide it wasn't what they expected, that had to have been after the first two murders.

It's not impossible that they could have done a 30 hour drive on July 12-14. If they left in the morning on July 12, that's 3 full days. Totally doable, even with only one driver. In fact, it could be done in 2 days IF someone really wanted to get somewhere fast. That's what baffles me, is that they seem like they were booting it up the highway fast, but for what?

I've done Whitehorse-Calgary (2200km) many times, winter and summer. I can do it in 2 days, about 24hrs driving time. Alone. It's pretty easy in the summer with the long days.

 

[NJSleuth91]

I just noticed an interesting point: the messages that AS sent to Bryer all have a blue circle with a check mark in them. That means they were sent but Bryer never received them.

The first message was sent 7:37 PM, July 12, which is the evening of the day they left.

So it appears that on the entire trip Bryer never connected his phone to the internet. Strange.

Does it mean the phone never received them, or he just never clicked on the notification? It's kind of strange but not that strange because of the remote areas they were in. And if this was actually a "we can't take living in this town anymore" trip, maybe they didn't want to think about anyone or anything related to Port Alberni for a while. Then after the murders happened they obviously wouldn't use their phones because their locations could be tracked.

Also, question...were those sent through Facebook messenger or was it another app? Because a lot of times messages don't show up on time on my Facebook messenger.

But even if murdering wasn’t preplanned (which I don’t think was), it’s not a real stretch to imagine an 18 and 19 who first experience a taste of freedom - nobody watching over them, no curfews, no watching a clock (time to go to school or work), nobody nagging at them to clean their room or help with yard or housework - nobody to answer to - often they go a little stir crazy. Toss in alcohol or pot (legal in Canada) or other illegal drugs, poor judgement, lack of self control, hot tempers, a thrill in crossing moral boundaries including a rise out of theft, “winning” (as emphasized by intensive video game play), no police for hours around and no cellphone/911 coverage.

A minor comparison, drop a wallet full of cash and ID on the street. Some people would take the money and toss the wallet in the garbage, others would turn it over to the police, money intact, so it can be returned to a grateful owner. K&B would fall into the first group. They murdered even if robbery was the initial motive because they thought they’d get away with it and then fled thinking nobody would ever find them. Cowardly, their suicide was an admission of their defeat.
JMO

Pretty much. The only point I disagree on is that they fled thinking nobody would ever find them. I think they knew they were screwed after Professor Dyck's murder. Kam's expression in the store footage says it all. I think they ran away because they definitely didn't want to go to prison, and they thought maybe there was a tiny chance they could escape, and hadn't fully accepted the reality of their situation.

It is my understanding (through reading about this case) that the jobs they were after were in the construction industry, where it is easy to get hired. Being a Summer weather driven spike in construction hiring, I read in an article that they would find slim pickin's for jobs in mid-July since the construction season was almost half over.

They may have found little to no opportunities by the time they got there.

I don't think they ever got there. I guess it's possible because we don't actually know where they were between the 15th and the 18th, but I believe some witnesses said they saw them in the area between the two crime scenes? I think their last communication with their families was between the two sets of murders, and they probably said they went there and were heading back as some attempt at an alibi. Most likely that's also why they hung around the general area for a few days, to make the timeline add up to "went to Whitehorse, looked for work, wasn't what we expected, heading back." My guess is they stayed in the area because they were paranoid about getting caught and they kind of wanted to see if anyone was on to them.

The weird thing is, if they actually had headed back and pretended like nothing happened, they had a much better chance of getting away with it. (Plus, Professor Dyck would still be alive ) I doubt they would have ultimately gotten away with it because these guys definitely seem like the type to compulsively confess to their friends and be caught within a week, but at least it would have increased their chances. Something happened to freak them out -- maybe the signs asking for dashcam footage, or maybe the truck started to break down, or something.

 

[NJSleuth91]

It's not impossible that they could have done a 30 hour drive on July 12-14. If they left in the morning on July 12, that's 3 full days. Totally doable, even with only one driver. In fact, it could be done in 2 days IF someone really wanted to get somewhere fast. That's what baffles me, is that they seem like they were booting it up the highway fast, but for what?

I've done Whitehorse-Calgary (2200km) many times, winter and summer. I can do it in 2 days, about 24hrs driving time. Alone. It's pretty easy in the summer with the long days.

They still wouldn't have had time to look for work in Whitehorse though. That's why I think the call where they gave that alibi to their parents came after the first two murders.

Their actual driving schedule between July 12-14 (Port Alberni to Liard Hot Springs) seems to be about 10 hours of driving a day, which isn't too bad.

If they were just cruising for potential murder victims the entire time, you would think they would have gone slower, gone on the back roads a bit, etc.

 

[Optics]

If they were just cruising for potential murder victims the entire time, you would think they would have gone slower, gone on the back roads a bit, etc.

There really aren't any 'back roads' up there, unless you've been a lifelong resident and know some logging dirt roads.