CANADA - Lucas Fowler & Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #6

[Gardenista]

More and more people are aware of how the press can misconstrue things and put words into peoples mouths, i for one dont blame anyone for not talking to the press

Not sure what to tell you. The reporter found it unusual and she would know.

 

[LadyL]

WS rules ... but we can assume that ballistic match linked all 3 victims, and possession of the RAV4 of victim #3 linked to the 2 suspects.

or was it positioning of the bodies ...

 

[missy1974]

it happens daily in that we are billed for calling an ambulance
so I can imagine people who need SAR services will owe even more money

I don't think we get billed for SAR services. JMO

 

[otto]

Non-US citizens question US LE day in and day out at WS. Everyone is trying to understand how the other country works.

Canada and the USA have entirely different government systems, justice systems, education systems. law and people. The presumption of innocence is valued more than murdertainment talking heads. Freedom of speech demands respecting the autonomy of others over the desire to mouth off about any false opinion that comes to mind.

 

[LadyL]

Calling in the military is much more of an exception than standard practice. Far more likely is coordination between police forces from other provinces, has has been implied by the RCMP here. The focus of your last question was on air support, but the reality of the geography means air isn’t always the best answer. For example, the Ontario Provincial Police (OPP) have two choppers and two fixed wing aircraft - but they have 114 marine vessels and 286 snowmobiles/ATVS.

It bears repeating that the issue under discussion is much less policing in Canada, and much more policing in northern Canada. It’s truly a different beast up there.

[bbm]

that pretty much says it all right there

 

[10ofRods]

The part about warning her friends I think she just meant that people don’t realize how vast and unpopulated northern Canada is and if you encounter a problem you may have to wait for help. It’s just the reality most people aren’t aware of who travel here. I don’t think she meant anything sinister by it and I think everyone should put more effort into the topic here instead of making snide remarks back and forth. Tone it down, reel it in, regroup, and refocus.

As a veteran advice-giver on TripAdvisor, I am always amazed that people really do not think about or investigate their potential destinations. If people I know are planning to drive to Alaska (through Canada) I like to remind them gently of what kind of road that may be. People from Los Angeles, for example, don't even want to drive the 5 north of the city because it's too "remote." Hahaha. We get several posts a week on the California forum about people wanting to drive from California to Alaska...in a rental car...in hump seasons...with no prior experience of such a trip. It looks great on a map, though. The same people think they're going to do Sequoia and Yosemite and drive from LA to SF all in one day.

 

[otto]

Somebody posted an article last night about the government warning workers not to talk. The reporter tweeted she is also having trouble getting non-government workers to talk. She said, in her experience, this his highly unusual. I'm not sure WTH is going on with this.

It's about respecting all parties related to the manhunt, and the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

 

[Deleted member 248860]

I don't think we get billed for SAR services. JMO

Correct. As far as I know, nobody in Canada has ever been billed for government search and rescue. Ordinary ambulance is not search and rescue. Ordinary fire department is not search and rescue. Private ski hills with private helicopters and ski patrol is not search and rescue

To help people understand what SAR is, here are some relevant pages:
Canadian Armed Forces Search and Rescue - Wikipedia
Canadian Coast Guard - Wikipedia

 

[10ofRods]

I don't think we get billed for SAR services. JMO

Depends on the locale. I don't know about Canada. Would like to know.

ETA: Thank you, rrstren. You are so helpful on this thread.

 

[Deleted member 158085]

That's because there are few places (e.g., non-urban Nevada) in the US that are as barren as Canada 100km north of the US-Canada border. You seem to think there is a town every 15 minutes' drive in the northern part of our country. It's not at all like that. You could drive for hours between towns. A lot of northern communities don't even have roads and are fly-in only.

And this is why we ask questions - to understand what is beyond our own doorsteps. In every thread here on WS we ask for locals to give us a better understanding of the landscape and the culture, even within our own country.

 

[scrappinkat]

!! $80 million for the loss of his father when he was an adult? Is that how he lured his wife into thinking he was rich?

Victims of the blood scandal of the 1990s will be compensated from a surplus of more than $200 million, now that an Ontario court has rejected Canada’s efforts to claw it back.

The excess money is part of a $1-billion trust created to settle a class action launched in 1998 against the Canadian Red Cross, which then administered blood banks, and the federal government and provinces. It is meant to compensate people infected between 1986 and 1990, when there was a lab test that could have prevented it.

Many victims spoke of the inadequacy of the compensation so far, in which individual payouts ranged between $10,000 and $250,000.

 

[Xcharest]

I don't think we get billed for SAR services. JMO

Former SAR volunteer, there are no bills for SAR services presently, at least in BC.

 

[jassange]

anyone think this book about to be published could have sparked something in the son that sent him off on this crazy trip?

Many years ago, when I was a teen, my boyfriend died in a fiery collision near Little Current on Manitoulin Island after hitting a rock cut. His mother got a bill from the fire department there. Blows my mind to this day.

I know we get a bill for ambulance services, but from the fire department? That is so distasteful given what happened. It would have blown my mind too.

 

[NorthernWild]

My question was about the distance of 4 hours. I am unaware of anywhere in the lower 40 where a 4 hour response time is the norm.

Yes, I understand it seeming crazy. There simply isn’t anywhere in the lower 48 nearly as far from greater population densities and the accompanying resources. A lot of Canadians would be surprised too (most never leaving the well-populated strip along our southern border).

 

[ktm44]

I’m going to assume that the van was registered and insured until I see concrete evidence to the contrary. It’s a pretty easy transaction, and it is not uncommon to move a newly purchased vehicle between BC and Alberta.

It isn't impossible but not overly easy either. The vehicle has to have an out of province mechancial inspection before it can be insured and you can't get registration without insurance.

You are required to change address on insurance and registration immediately and while police may give a driver a bit of a break if the paperwork hasn't been changed, there is no law that says they have to.

In order to get insurance or registration, you need to have a valid license. I'm not certain how Canadian insurance companies or registries handle out of country driver's licenses but I would assume there is some provision. It's also just as possible that the van was leagally insured and registered to someone else, possibly someone who worked with Lucas at the ranch, who simply loaned it to him for the trip.

In either case, insurance and registration is really not relevant to to the case because the couple likely had not been stopped or ticketed for it or the van would have been towed immediately.

The van's mechanical issues may have made the couple an easy target and the insurance/registration issue may have delayed identification but it's not incredibly unusual for tourists to not be completely abreast of our laws.

 

[Gina20]

Maybe this will help. The murders happened just south of the Yukon Territory. The Yukon is 190,000 square miles (look at a map) with a population of 40,000 people, 25,000 of whom live in Whitehorse. How many police officers, buildings and vehicles do you think it would take to offer police services comparable to wherever you live? It would literally be a police state

Alaska (this happened on the Alaska Highway) is 700,000 square miles (look at a map) with a population of 500,000*, of whom 300,000 live in Anchorage and another 65,000 in Fairbanks and Juneau. Ask the same question.

*Some sources put the total population as high as 700,000.

Important to remember that the Alaska highway is mainly in Canada. It is the road leading to Alaska, which starts in B.C., at Dawson Creek. We're talking about the portion in B.C, where B.C. RCMP have jurisdiction.

Alaska Highway - Wikipedia

Now I wonder if they stopped to gas up in Dawson Creek on their way to Gillam.

 

[otto]

Not sure what to tell you. The reporter found it unusual and she would know.

What country is the reporter from?

 

[FactFinder3000]

It was published early on by several news outlets.

"The footage shows the young couple pulling in at a service station in Fort Nelson, British Columbia at 7.30pm on July 13. Mr Fowler is driving the blue Chevrolet van he bought from a cattle ranch where he had been working. He had fixed it up especially for the road trip he had been planning with Ms Deese."​

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-...-australian-lucas-fowler-20190723-p529qe.html

Thank you. And someone else posted that the ranch had bought it from auction and it was an Alberta vehicle. So that explains the Alberta registration.

And the Alberta registration explains the Alberta plates. I think, as a tourist, he's entitled to do that for up to 6 months. Not sure on that one, though.

I sure hope the plates didn't just come with the vehicle. That would be extremely foolish.

 

[scrappinkat]

This makes perfect sense to me in that, yes, it could have happened.

There’s been many many men go missing in BC in the last few years especially. Some have been found dead, seemingly executed. Others have never been found.

The drug trade is alive and flourishing through BC.

 

[LadyL]

People are billed for ambulances because they don't want people to treat the service like a taxi. People aren't billed for SAR.

someone just posted a link where someone was billed for SAR
a couple pages back

ETA: add link

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