GUILTY Canada - Marie-France Comeau, 37, & Jessica Lloyd, 27, slain, Ont, 2009 & 2010 - #3

[antiquegirl]

RW remains in control if he willingly signs over marital assets to his wife.

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ITA. But it could be equally argued that if RW had refused to sign over his assets, he would still have been in control, if not more so. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

I have a sneaking suspicion that this whole deal was their lawyers' idea. They would have the expertise to realize the advantages and possible consequences of such a move.

JMO

 

[Wondergirl]

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ITA. But it could be equally argued that if RW had refused to sign over his assets, he would still have been in control, if not more so. Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

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I agree with what you are saying here.

But what I mean, is that he still controls what happens to his sexual assault, theft, and murder victims , by not allowing them access to his money.

If he fought to keep his assets, he would be controlling the outcome of his money, but he would also be allowing his victims to access it.

By diverting the funds, he has the upper hand on his victims, once again.

I could be off here, perhaps he has genuine compassion for his wife of so many years. Like he exhibited to the frogs in the grass, and the cat on his shoulder. Perhaps, she falls into that category in his sick brain.

But I doubt it.

 

[Hazel]

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[dotr]

She said staff of the Sexual Assault Centre, Belleville's Three Oaks Foundation and Central Hastings OPP held an information meeting at Centre Hastings Secondary School in Madoc after the home invasions and offered advice on personal safety.

"The community was aware," she said.
This is an older article,a little different from the others.

http://www.intelligencer.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2442302

We talk about the person often being in a position of power and trust. We talk about not buying

into the false message or the stereotype that it's the person in the dark alley or that stranger that nobody's ever heard of before, a person that's not from your community."

She said reports that Williams is "a nice man" match similar comments in countless other

cases

 

[Hazel]

I was trying to look for old news articles of thefts in the Fallingbrook area (Orleans), and found this 2 so far:

-- http://www.ottawacitizen.com/life/Attempted+abduction/1555524/story.html (I don't think this is RW)

-- http://ottawapolice.ca/en/MediaRoom/NewsReleases/08-10-31/d9b586d5-547e-46ed-bfb0-d16b4eddb0b4.aspx (IMO, this one could be two of RW alleged B&E's)

 

[Hazel]

By Gary Dimmock , The Ottawa Citizen May 14, 2010 6:37 AM

OTTAWA — It was the day after the neighbour down the road had been sexually terrorized as her infant daughter slept. A man had broken into her Tweed home in late September 2009 around 1 a.m. He blindfolded her, photographed her and forced himself on her for two hours.

Hours later, the police knocked on doors along Cosy Cove Lane asking questions. They got to Larry Jones’s home, and after a few questions, an officer asked who owned the place next door. Jones, 65, told him it belonged to Col. Russell Williams, 47. The police officer thought Jones was joking. He wasn’t.

“So I told him again,” Jones said, “that the owner of the house next door was the commander of CFB Trenton and then he said, ‘Well, I guess we don’t have to look at him then.’ ”

In fact, OPP detectives would first focus not on Williams, but rather on Larry Jones.

The OPP searched Jones’s home and hauled him in for questioning.

Two months after the police officer said they didn’t need to look at Williams as a suspect, Cpl. Marie-France Comeau, 37, was found dead in a sex killing. Four months later, Jessica Lloyd, 27, was also found dead after being sexually assaulted.

Williams was then asked to come in for questioning at Ottawa police headquarters in the first week of February.

The colonel apparently thought the interview would be about his Tweed neighbour, Larry Jones, and figured he’d be back to his Ottawa home on Edison Avenue for supper.

Nothing could be further from the truth and Williams, still being paid $12,000 a month by the military, remains in jail charged in connection with two sex killings, two home invasions involving sexual assault and 82 lingerie break-ins, including 34 in Orléans.

By the end of the police interview, led by an OPP behavioural sciences expert, Williams allegedly guided detectives to where they could find hidden keepsakes — included more than 500 pairs of women’s underwear — at his Westboro home.

Thursday, a Belleville judge ruled that Mary-Elizabeth Harriman is prohibited from selling or transferring the Westboro home.

Williams and Mary-Elizabeth Harriman have not yet filed a statement of defence. None of the allegations in the statement of claim have been proven in court.

Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/initially+ruled+colonel+suspect/3025111/story.html

So RW thought he was asked to go to the Police Headquarters to be interviewed about poor Mr Jones!?!?!?
Just imagine what could have happened to Mr. Jones, if it wasn't for those tire threads!
Was RW planning on throwing Mr. Jones under the bus?
To have been a fly on that wall!
btw, good ruling Belleville Judge :dance:

 

[flipflop]

By Gary Dimmock , The Ottawa Citizen May 14, 2010 6:37 AM




Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/initially+ruled+colonel+suspect/3025111/story.html

So RW thought he was asked to go to the Police Headquarters to be interviewed about poor Mr Jones!?!?!?
Just imagine what could have happened to Mr. Jones, if it wasn't for those tire threads!
Was RW planning on throwing Mr. Jones under the bus?
To have been a fly on that wall!
btw, good ruling Belleville Judge :dance:

Did anyone ever hear where Mr. Jones stolen belongings were found or if they were found....RW was definatly setting him up IMO

 

[antiquegirl]

Did anyone ever hear where Mr. Jones stolen belongings were found or if they were found....RW was definatly setting him up IMO

" ... they took a dirty work coat, a pair of work gloves and a small blue lighter"

http://www.ottawacitizen.comnews/Wi...zy+Cove+Lane/2560660/story.html#ixzz0nubRS6va

I don't recall hearing any more about these stolen items except for the claim by LJ. LE has never mentioned finding any of them at any of the crime scenes (or elsewhere), but that doesn't necessarily mean much.

However, if RW was responsible for the theft and had planned to plant them at future crime scenes, he sure didn't give it much thought. Did he really think that anyone would believe that a perp would be stupid enough to leave a personal, presumably traceable, belonging at three separate scenes? Wouldn't even LE find it too much of a coincidence? One lighter, perhaps, could steer them to the wrong suspect, but three items? (It's even more unbelievable that he planned to leave all three at the same scene.)

But let's presume that somewhere between one and three incriminating pieces of false evidence were left behind at the scene of a B & E or sexual assault. That alone would be circumstantial evidence and LE would need a lot more than that to pin the crime on the owner of that object. How could RW know that LJ didn't have an irrefutable alibi for the time of that particular crime?

If this was all a plan by RW to frame LJ, it sure wasn't very smart. He strikes me as more intelligent than that. Is it possible that the theft was perpetrated by some silly kids? Did LJ make up the whole story? I've always been skeptical of his claim that his wife received phone calls accusing him of being a "murderer" shortly after the assaults, but before any of the murders had been committed.

According to Larry Jones, police at one point considered him a suspect in the home invasions, which he said occurred at two nearby homes.

"Wife getting calls, ‘How does it feel to live with a murderer?’” he said."

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Canadi...ide+charges+Ontario+deaths/2536787/story.html

Also, we have to remember that RW was full of hubris and considered himself invincible. And until the time of his arrest, he was!

JMO

 

[Wondergirl]

Has anyone seen the picture of MEH at the courthouse? If so, can you provide a link?

 

[Wondergirl]

There are many more completed ATI's (Access to Information) requests in March, relating to Williams at this site (regarding employment, promotion to Major/Lt.Col/Col, etc), but this one stuck out to me. April's completed ATI Requests have not been released yet.

I wonder if it is suspected that RW manipulated information regarding the murder of Marie Comeau at his own base? I suppose this document must contain the "100 plus" emails that The Toronto Star reported on recently.

A-2009-00933 All emails between midnight on 24 Nov 09 and 5 Dec 09 regarding the writing, production, layout and subjects and articles to be published in the 27 Nov, 4 Dec and 11 Dec 09 editions of the Trenton military base’s newspaper Contact.

http://www.admfincs.forces.gc.ca/aip/cr-dc-eng.asp#mar


*Note: A poster on Lachlan's Thread here (the Deep River scientist who is missing), posted the link to the DAIP, and I was amazed by the information there. Apparantly, you can buy a copy for $5 of the information in these requests. I assume the journalists must use this department frequently.

 

[Sillybilly]

" ... they took a dirty work coat, a pair of work gloves and a small blue lighter"

http://www.ottawacitizen.comnews/Wi...zy+Cove+Lane/2560660/story.html#ixzz0nubRS6va

I don't recall hearing any more about these stolen items except for the claim by LJ. LE has never mentioned finding any of them at any of the crime scenes (or elsewhere), but that doesn't necessarily mean much.

However, if RW was responsible for the theft and had planned to plant them at future crime scenes, he sure didn't give it much thought. Did he really think that anyone would believe that a perp would be stupid enough to leave a personal, presumably traceable, belonging at three separate scenes? Wouldn't even LE find it too much of a coincidence? One lighter, perhaps, could steer them to the wrong suspect, but three items? (It's even more unbelievable that he planned to leave all three at the same scene.)

But let's presume that somewhere between one and three incriminating pieces of false evidence were left behind at the scene of a B & E or sexual assault. That alone would be circumstantial evidence and LE would need a lot more than that to pin the crime on the owner of that object. How could RW know that LJ didn't have an irrefutable alibi for the time of that particular crime?

If this was all a plan by RW to frame LJ, it sure wasn't very smart. He strikes me as more intelligent than that. Is it possible that the theft was perpetrated by some silly kids? Did LJ make up the whole story? I've always been skeptical of his claim that his wife received phone calls accusing him of being a "murderer" shortly after the assaults, but before any of the murders had been committed.

According to Larry Jones, police at one point considered him a suspect in the home invasions, which he said occurred at two nearby homes.

"Wife getting calls, ‘How does it feel to live with a murderer?’” he said."

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Canadi...ide+charges+Ontario+deaths/2536787/story.html

Also, we have to remember that RW was full of hubris and considered himself invincible. And until the time of his arrest, he was!

JMO

I don't recall that the items were found at an actual crime scene, or how LJ came by the knowledge that RW had them. If it is true that RW took these items with an intent to frame LJ, then I suspect it could simply be part of his titillating "game". As you say, he considered himself invincible, so it isn't outside the realm of possibility that he would do this (look at what else he has done !!). Also, if he went to LE with the belief that it was regarding LJ, it might have been a thrill to be interviewed so he could set LJ up further. He was unaware that his treads had been discovered, so maybe LE simply beat him at his own game.

Re the phone call about living with a murderer ... It is possible that RW himself made that call for another thrill of a lifetime, knowing that he would eventually kill someone in the vicinity and that Mrs. LJ would remember that taunting phone call. IIRC, that phone call initiated suspicions of Mr and Mrs LJ, when we have no other reason to doubt the validity of their claims. They too are victims of RW, and until someone proves their statements are flat out lies or embellished truths, I will continue to believe them.

We are dealing with the creme de la creeps here ... nothing about RW will surprise me.

MOO

 

[antiquegirl]

I don't recall that the items were found at an actual crime scene, or how LJ came by the knowledge that RW had them. If it is true that RW took these items with an intent to frame LJ, then I suspect it could simply be part of his titillating "game". As you say, he considered himself invincible, so it isn't outside the realm of possibility that he would do this (look at what else he has done !!). Also, if he went to LE with the belief that it was regarding LJ, it might have been a thrill to be interviewed so he could set LJ up further. He was unaware that his treads had been discovered, so maybe LE simply beat him at his own game.

Re the phone call about living with a murderer ... It is possible that RW himself made that call for another thrill of a lifetime, knowing that he would eventually kill someone in the vicinity and that Mrs. LJ would remember that taunting phone call. IIRC, that phone call initiated suspicions of Mr and Mrs LJ, when we have no other reason to doubt the validity of their claims. They too are victims of RW, and until someone proves their statements are flat out lies or embellished truths, I will continue to believe them.

We are dealing with the creme de la creeps here ... nothing about RW will surprise me.

MOO

Billy, everything you say is plausible. All I'm trying to point out that everything about this story is mere hearsay and speculation. LJ claims no "knowledge" that it was RW who stole his belongings. He was only guessing that after RW was arrested. The theft, the suspicion of who the thief might have been, or where the items ended up (if found at all) have never been corroborated by LE.

We have never heard that RW took any suspicions to LE about LJ. Personally, I doubt it. How would he explain his suspicions and why bring any attention to himself? The tire tracks were discovered only three days before LE contacted him and asked him to come in to be interviewed - in Ottawa yet.

As for the phone call, I always assumed it had come from a woman, but the sex of that particular caller was never mentioned, so I guess it could have come from RW as well as anyone. No matter what, it sounds as if RW was a busy, busy man.

JMO

 

[Sillybilly]

Billy, everything you say is plausible. All I'm trying to point out that everything about this story is mere hearsay and speculation. LJ claims no "knowledge" that it was RW who stole his belongings. He was only guessing that after RW was arrested. The theft, the suspicion of who the thief might have been, or where the items ended up (if found at all) have never been corroborated by LE.

We have never heard that RW took any suspicions to LE about LJ. Personally, I doubt it. How would he explain his suspicions and why bring any attention to himself? The tire tracks were discovered only three days before LE contacted him and asked him to come in to be interviewed - in Ottawa yet.

As for the phone call, I always assumed it had come from a woman, but the sex of that particular caller was never mentioned, so I guess it could have come from RW as well as anyone. No matter what, it sounds as if RW was a busy, busy man.

JMO

bbm

When I said "went to LE", I did mean when he went in after LE had called him. If he was aware of the activity surrounding LJ, he may have thought (or even been told by LE) that they were investigating these crimes in relation to his neighbour and would like to speak with him about it. I've always wondered why he would go in without a lawyer, and that might explain it.

You're right AG ... so few facts, so all we can is speculate with the little we do have.

 

[Hazel]

" ... they took a dirty work coat, a pair of work gloves and a small blue lighter"

http://www.ottawacitizen.comnews/Wi...zy+Cove+Lane/2560660/story.html#ixzz0nubRS6va

, if RW was responsible for the theft and had planned to plant them at future crime scenes, he sure didn't give it much thought. Did he really think that anyone would believe that a perp would be stupid enough to leave a personal, presumably traceable, belonging at three separate scenes? Wouldn't even LE find it too much of a coincidence? One lighter, perhaps, could steer them to the wrong suspect, but three items? (It's even more unbelievable that he planned to leave all three at the same scene.)

But let's presume that somewhere between one and three incriminating pieces of false evidence were left behind at the scene of a B & E or sexual assault. That alone would be circumstantial evidence and LE would need a lot more than that to pin the crime on the owner of that object. How could RW know that LJ didn't have an irrefutable alibi for the time of that particular crime?

If this was all a plan by RW to frame LJ, it sure wasn't very smart. He strikes me as more intelligent than that. Is it possible that the theft was perpetrated by some silly kids? Did LJ make up the whole story?

JMO

RS&BBM

Antiquegirl, IMO (for what it's worth), those items were not taken to be ALL left at a future scene. These were my thoughts about the stolen items:

-- the LIGHTER: could have turned up in a future crime scene.

-- the COAT: he could have been planning on WEARING it as camouflage, and if someone saw him in the coat, then the description would point directly in the direction of LJ.

-- the GLOVES: could potentially leave some of Mr LJ's DNA at the scene as well as particles of paint, grease, wood chips, fertilizer, gun powder (hunting) or any other material that could be traced back to Mr. LJ's garage.

I DO believe Mr. & Mrs. Jones are telling the truth; no reason whatsoever for them to lie.
I cannot imagine how they must be feeling. Poor Mr. Jones! Could have been wrongfully convincted for these heinous crimes!

Just wanted to add that at no point Mr. Jones said he had knowledge the items have been found, let alone found in RW's possession. All he said is he didn't report that theft, and only mentioned it after RW's arrest -- hindsight. I don't believe he has accused him, just something he mentioned in case it has some connection, JMO.

 

[antiquegirl]

bbm

When I said "went to LE", I did mean when he went in after LE had called him. If he was aware of the activity surrounding LJ, he may have thought (or even been told by LE) that they were investigating these crimes in relation to his neighbour and would like to speak with him about it. I've always wondered why he would go in without a lawyer, and that might explain it.

You're right AG ... so few facts, so all we can is speculate with the little we do have.

And you're right, SB. I can't find the link, but I'm pretty sure that it was recently reported that LE did call RW in that Saturday in Ottawa under the pretense of questioning him about LJ. This had not been made public before. Can anyone find the link, please?

 

[antiquegirl]

RS&BBM

Antiquegirl, IMO (for what it's worth), those items were not taken to be ALL left at a future scene. These were my thoughts about the stolen items:

-- the LIGHTER: could have turned up in a future crime scene.

-- the COAT: he could have been planning on WEARING it as camouflage, and if someone saw him in the coat, then the description would point directly in the direction of LJ.

-- the GLOVES: could potentially leave some of Mr LJ's DNA at the scene as well as particles of paint, grease, wood chips, fertilizer, gun powder (hunting) or any other material that could be traced back to Mr. LJ's garage.

I DO believe Mr. & Mrs. Jones are telling the truth; no reason whatsoever for them to lie.
I cannot imagine how they must be feeling. Poor Mr. Jones! Could have been wrongfully convincted for these heinous crimes!

Just wanted to add that at no point Mr. Jones said he had knowledge the items have been found, let alone found in RW's possession. All he said is he didn't report that theft, and only mentioned it after RW's arrest -- hindsight. I don't believe he has accused him, just something he mentioned in case it has some connection, JMO.

OMG, Hazel, this is a totally brilliant example of lateral thinking! If you ever want to consider a career change, there could be a future for you in successful crime. Or ... law enforcement, if you're willing to make less money.

 

[Sillybilly]

Back in March, Gary Dimmick of the Ottawa Citizen reported:

from:
http://news.globaltv.com/world/Poli...ed+colonel+suspect+assault/3027083/story.html

Williams was then asked to come in for questioning at Ottawa Police headquarters in the first week of February. The colonel apparently thought the interview would be about his Tweed neighbour, Jones, and figured he'd be back to his Ottawa home on Edison Avenue for supper.

Google hits show all articles with the above info as March 26, 2010, but when we access the hits, it shows today's date. That bugs me.

Dimmick doesn't give his sources.

 

[flipflop]

Back in March, Gary Dimmick of the Ottawa Citizen reported:

from:
http://news.globaltv.com/world/Poli...ed+colonel+suspect+assault/3027083/story.html



Google hits show all articles with the above info as March 26, 2010, but when we access the hits, it shows today's date. That bugs me.

Dimmick doesn't give his sources.

The OPP searched Jones' home and hauled him in for questioning.

I wonder what they found or what tipped them off to haul him in??

 

[Hazel]

OMG, Hazel, this is a totally brilliant example of lateral thinking! If you ever want to consider a career change, there could be a future for you in successful crime. Or ... law enforcement, if you're willing to make less money.

*insert ROTFL smilie here*

you have to go down to their level in order to get in their heads these phychopaths(sp?) don't think like 'normal' people do.

 

[Hazel]

The OPP searched Jones' home and hauled him in for questioning.

I wonder what they found or what tipped them off to haul him in??

It could simply be that the victim (the one who was their next door neighbour), said she didn't hear any car engine, and only footsteps that stopped indicating it was someone living closeby. She could have pointed out which direction she heard the footsteps, and LE was planning to also go to RW's, that's why they asked Mr. J, but when they found out WHO lived there, they decided it was not necessary. IDK, just throwing an idea out there.
It is possible, there was some physical evidence as well, maybe shoe/boot prints?