GUILTY Canada - Marie-France Comeau, 37, & Jessica Lloyd, 27, slain, Ont, 2009 & 2010 - #6

[SomeGirlOnTheNet]

As much as I feel badly for Laurie Massicotte, I don't think the answer is suing the police.

EVERYONE should be vigilant about locking their doors and windows..always. Especially single women. That's really not rocket science.

I don't need a police force to tell me that I need to keep my windows and doors locked at night when I go to bed.

That would be the equivalent to a Dr suing a hospital for contracting hepatitis by not wearing gloves. It's something you just do.

 

[nobodyzgirl]

As much as I feel badly for Laurie Massicotte, I don't think the answer is suing the police.

EVERYONE should be vigilant about locking their doors and windows..always. Especially single women. That's really not rocket science.

I don't need a police force to tell me that I need to keep my windows and doors locked at night when I go to bed.

That would be the equivalent to a Dr suing a hospital for contracting hepatitis by not wearing gloves. It's something you just do.

I agree, I know enough to ensure all my doors and windows are locked.

It reminds me of Jane Doe suing the Toronto Police.

http://www.sgmlaw.com/en/about/JaneDoev.MetropolitanTorontoMunicipalityCommissionersofPolice.cfm

 

[maxfactor]

I suspect that any psychological evaluations rw had ,he would have been well prepared for and "pass" with flying colours.Put it this way,considering his computer savvy and connections, I doubt it would have been too hard for him to discover the best responses to give.Also, if it turns out that he has a "split personality",the "good russ" might have all the right answers.I wonder if his initial applying for the RCMP, was a case of rw dipping his toes in the water to see if there are any ripples, before approaching a military career. I guess he underestimated his opponent in LE.

Dotr, can you refresh my memory? Was RW accepted by the RCMP or not?

 

[dotr]

Dotr, can you refresh my memory? Was RW accepted by the RCMP or not?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...g-of-a-mystery-man/article1537412/singlepage/
He applied to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and underwent a rigorous background check and interviews only to turn down an offer of employment, the roommates say. He was still waiting to hear back from his first choice.

 

[Hazel]

I don't know what if anything could have been done by his employer to prevent these atrocities -- however,

I recall having to take a written psychological evaluation / assessment / test as part of an interview to work in a grocery store. I passed. My best friend, did not. She has never committed a single offence and leads a life so dull that turtles would probably pass her in a race without trying (lol). I'd be flabbergasted if she ever did anything strange, let alone illegal! In fact, of the two of us, despite my passing the evaluation, I would describe myself as more of a risk taker than her!!

This makes me wonder though, if I had to take a test and pass it just to stock shelves and operate the cash machine -- then what testing if any was RW or other members in high ranking positions subjected to prior to being hired?

I would find it amusing if there were NO testing in place for these higher up positions, which are mandatory parts of entry level interviews in some grocery stores. LOL.

I know this doesn't answer your specific question margaret_diane.

From the Fifth Estate Documentary ~ Above Suspition ~ on the 41:30 mark - Retired Lieutenant-General Angus Watt:

"... and this is a huge betrayal: a huge betrayal of the profession, a huge betrayal of the honour of the Military, and we take this very personally. The people that have hmm, that knew Russ Williams, that shepherd him along in his career, that helped him at key points, that selected him, as I did for senior leadership positions, view this as the ultimate betrayal of that honour, and we will never forgive him."

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2010-2011/abovesuspicion/

 

[antiquegirl]

I am left with two questions, the answers to which may not be known, but perhaps someone noticed something I missed.

(1) Has there ever been mention of RW wearing gloves during the break & enters? It seems he touched many, many things and spent a lot of time in each house, especially the bedrooms of the victims. I'm going to assume that if he wore gloves, he must have taken them off while he masturbated. So, does that mean that he kept taking gloves off and putting them back on? Did he leave any fingerprints behind? (I'm not talking about the assaults or murders - just the B & Es.)

(2) In the transcript of the confession, RW told Det. Sgt. Smyth about the two hard drives that contained a lot of evidence. He said that he had erased those drives, but that LE would probably be able to retrieve the info again. I definitely got the impression that RW did not know how to get that info back himself. So, why did he keep them when they were useless to him? And if they were blank, why hide them? He left stolen lingerie almost out in the open, but he conceals blank hard drives? Is this part of his obsessive/compulsive disorder, or did I miss something?

Okay, I suppose that's more than two questions.

 

[Hazel]

I suspect that any psychological evaluations rw had ,he would have been well prepared for and "pass" with flying colours.Put it this way,considering his computer savvy and connections, I doubt it would have been too hard for him to discover the best responses to give.Also, if it turns out that he has a "split personality",the "good russ" might have all the right answers.I wonder if his initial applying for the RCMP, was a case of rw dipping his toes in the water to see if there are any ripples, before approaching a military career. I guess he underestimated his opponent in LE.

We know he read a book about Lock Picking. Only RW knows all the places, houses, offices, cabinets, desks and so forth he had access to over the years

The fourth-floor personnel office at the University of Toronto's Scarborough campus was a suitably staid place to work, so department manager June Hope could hardly expect what greeted her one morning when she arrived to unlock her door.

Everything – her desk, her computer and her chair – had vanished beneath a tangled mess of white paper that filled the room from floor to ceiling. Whoever had pulled this stunt had not only broken in the night before but spent hours crumpling computer paper until it formed the unwieldy mass that stood before her.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/colonel-russell-williams-the-making-of-a-mystery-man/article1537412/

 

[dotr]

I am left with two questions, the answers to which may not be known, but perhaps someone noticed something I missed.

(1) Has there ever been mention of RW wearing gloves during the break & enters? It seems he touched many, many things and spent a lot of time in each house, especially the bedrooms of the victims. I'm going to assume that if he wore gloves, he must have taken them off while he masturbated. So, does that mean that he kept taking gloves off and putting them back on? Did he leave any fingerprints behind? (I'm not talking about the assaults or murders - just the B & Es.)

(2) In the transcript of the confession, RW told Det. Sgt. Smyth about the two hard drives that contained a lot of evidence. He said that he had erased those drives, but that LE would probably be able to retrieve the info again. I definitely got the impression that RW did not know how to get that info back himself. So, why did he keep them when they were useless to him? And if they were blank, why hide them? He left stolen lingerie almost out in the open, but he conceals blank hard drives? Is this part of his obsessive/compulsive disorder, or did I miss something?

Okay, I suppose that's more than two questions.

This is the only time I recall any reference to rw wearing gloves.

Wearing gloves he photographed every page of the 19-year old's photo album.
Photographed a doctor's letter confirming that one girl was 12.
He stole her panties, photographed her diplomas, stripped, masturbated -- and then typed a message on the 12 year old's computer: "MERCI"
She found it the next day.


Read more: http://live.nationalpost.com/Event/..._of_Col_Russell_Williams?Page=0#ixzz13bSBQOP8

 

[Hazel]

I am left with two questions, the answers to which may not be known, but perhaps someone noticed something I missed.

(1) Has there ever been mention of RW wearing gloves during the break & enters? It seems he touched many, many things and spent a lot of time in each house, especially the bedrooms of the victims. I'm going to assume that if he wore gloves, he must have taken them off while he masturbated. So, does that mean that he kept taking gloves off and putting them back on? Did he leave any fingerprints behind? (I'm not talking about the assaults or murders - just the B & Es.)

Really quick here, and just from memory (my answer to your question 1)
IIRC, he cleaned up afterwards, though in one occasion, he left his DNA all over a young girl''s dresser, and LE told her parents they needed to clean that up. Yuck! IIRC that happened during a B&E in Orleans, mentioned in the Fifth Estate ~ Above Suspicion ~ episode (link in my previous post).

I too always wondered about his fingerprints; cannot imagine him clieaning up so well that he didn't leave a single print (or hair or fiber for that matter) anywhere.

I also remember about him wearing gloves, but seemed to me they were referring to leather or winter gloves, when entering a home. I don't recall ever reading him using latex gloves (if that is the type of gloves you are referring to AG).

 

[Crosby87]

Sounds like RW intends to starve himself to death. What can correctional officers do if he refuses to eat?

<snipped>

Two weeks ago he tried to commit suicide; now he is refusing to eat.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...s-the-making-of-a-mystery-man/article1537412/

I must say I am in complete agreement with RW&#8217;s sexual assault victim Laurie Massicotte who is angry with the OPP and wants to sue them for not issuing a &#8220;security alert&#8221; when they knew 12 days ago the same situation happened to a girl just down the road from her.

It is possible that had the OPP took action and alerted members of the community that there was a predator loose and had issued a stern warning to the perp that they were going to do everything in their power to find him and prosecute him to the full extent of the law, it might have deterred RW from murdering JL and MFC.
Ignoring the matter isn't the answer. JMO

http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/...illiams+case/3732543/story.html#ixzz13ZxoKdDX

 

[Sillybilly]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...g-of-a-mystery-man/article1537412/singlepage/
He applied to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and underwent a rigorous background check and interviews only to turn down an offer of employment, the roommates say. He was still waiting to hear back from his first choice.

I often wonder if he really was accepted by the RCMP or if his ego simply couldn't handle telling his roomies that he wasn't.

 

[SomeGirlOnTheNet]

Sounds like RW intends to starve himself to death. What can correctional officers do if he refuses to eat?

<snipped>

Two weeks ago he tried to commit suicide; now he is refusing to eat.

That's old though, right?

There's nothing they can do..I guess if he passes out, they can transport him to hospital and give him an IV or parenteral nutrition until he gets better and does it again.

His last hunger strike didn't last very long, that's for sure.....

 

[Sillybilly]

That's an interesting observation. I wonder if the sexual assault victims were from military families.

You may recall someone claiming that RW was at the base in civilian clothing the Jan 23 weekend that Deborah R disappeared. The poster's info was brought over from another website. They were from CFBT, and not only in the military, but also a friend of Deborah, and a relative of Jessica..

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased CAN - Deborah Rashotte, 27, Belleville Ontario, 27 Jan 2010



On another note, remember the "Suspicious Man in Tweed"?

http://www.niagarafallsreview.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?archive=true&e=2471636

http://www.quintenews.com/2010/3/page/35/

The suspicious person was seen around the beginning of March. Seems there's more creeps skulking about Tweed than they would like to believe.

ETA: Sorry max ... that didnt' answer your specific question about the sexual assault victims.

 

[maxfactor]

You may recall someone claiming that RW was at the base in civilian clothing the Jan 23 weekend that Deborah R disappeared. The poster's info was brought over from another website. They were from CFBT, and not only in the military, but also a friend of Deborah, and a relative of Jessica..

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...3&postcount=67

On another note, remember the "Suspicious Man in Tweed"?

http://www.niagarafallsreview.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?archive=true&e=2471636

ETA: Sorry max ... that wasn't in answer to your question about the sexual assault victims.

http://www.quintenews.com/2010/3/page/35/

The suspicious person was seen around the beginning of March. Seems there's more creeps skulking about Tweed than they would like to believe.

No worries SB. I can't get your first link to work though.

 

[Sillybilly]

Don't know what happened to the copy & paste. Try this:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased CAN - Deborah Rashotte, 27, Belleville Ontario, 27 Jan 2010

 

[dotr]

Really quick here, and just from memory (my answer to your question 1)
IIRC, he cleaned up afterwards, though in one occasion, he left his DNA all over a young girl''s dresser, and LE told her parents they needed to clean that up. Yuck! IIRC that happened during a B&E in Orleans, mentioned in the Fifth Estate ~ Above Suspicion ~ episode (link in my previous post).

I too always wondered about his fingerprints; cannot imagine him clieaning up so well that he didn't leave a single print (or hair or fiber for that matter) anywhere.

I also remember about him wearing gloves, but seemed to me they were referring to leather or winter gloves, when entering a home. I don't recall ever reading him using latex gloves (if that is the type of gloves you are referring to AG).

Police say the intruder never left any fingerprints and stole exclusively women’s lingerie — once going so far as to put on a vacationing homeowner’s boots to cover his own boot tracks in a snowy backyard.

Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/life/L...ngs+assaults/3685776/story.html#ixzz13cEHyUXS

 

[dotr]

I wonder if any of these items have been found at any of the crime scenes.


He suddenly remembered another odd event. Someone had broken into his workshop in late January &#8212; and instead of stealing any of his toys (which include a fishing boat, a deck boat and two shiny snowmobiles) &#8212; they took a dirty work coat, a pair of work gloves and a small blue lighter he used to spark the occasional backwoods cigar.


The lighter, he said, had grease marks so thick you could probably see his fingerprints with the naked eye. He says the strange theft happened Jan. 28, the night Lloyd disappeared from her Belleville home.


"So is my coat, my gloves and my lighter with her body?" he said recently. "Or is it in his house here? Where is it?"



Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Wi...+accusations/2558062/story.html#ixzz13cGhYj7i

 

[flipflop]

I wonder if any of these items have been found at any of the crime scenes.


He suddenly remembered another odd event. Someone had broken into his workshop in late January — and instead of stealing any of his toys (which include a fishing boat, a deck boat and two shiny snowmobiles) — they took a dirty work coat, a pair of work gloves and a small blue lighter he used to spark the occasional backwoods cigar.


The lighter, he said, had grease marks so thick you could probably see his fingerprints with the naked eye. He says the strange theft happened Jan. 28, the night Lloyd disappeared from her Belleville home.


"So is my coat, my gloves and my lighter with her body?" he said recently. "Or is it in his house here? Where is it?"



Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Wi...+accusations/2558062/story.html#ixzz13cGhYj7i

JMO, Im guessing RW burnt these items!

 

[antiquegirl]

JMO, Im guessing RW burnt these items!

Sorry, I don't follow. IF RW took these items with the purpose of framing LJ by leaving one or more as "evidence", why would he burn them? What other reason would he have for stealing them?

Although, I have always thought that leaving three pieces of LJ's belongings at one or more crime scenes would be ridiculously excessive and suspicious (what criminal is that careless?), it's possible that he destroyed two and left one, which either wasn't found or LE has not reported it.

JMO

 

[antiquegirl]

I wonder if any of these items have been found at any of the crime scenes.


He suddenly remembered another odd event. Someone had broken into his workshop in late January — and instead of stealing any of his toys (which include a fishing boat, a deck boat and two shiny snowmobiles) — they took a dirty work coat, a pair of work gloves and a small blue lighter he used to spark the occasional backwoods cigar.


The lighter, he said, had grease marks so thick you could probably see his fingerprints with the naked eye. He says the strange theft happened Jan. 28, the night Lloyd disappeared from her Belleville home.


"So is my coat, my gloves and my lighter with her body?" he said recently. "Or is it in his house here? Where is it?"



Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Wi...+accusations/2558062/story.html#ixzz13cGhYj7i

The timeline doesn't make sense to me, either. IIRC, RW was already waiting for JL when she arrived home around 10:30 p.m. They were at her house together while he repeatedly attacked her until the early hours of the morning, at which point, he drove her to his cottage. There, he brutalized her some more. Is it feasible that he left her alone before daybreak (even tied up) while he went over to LJ's garage to steal his belongings? It's certainly possible, but strange and risky. Any previous night but that one would make more sense.

JMO