GUILTY Canada - Marie-France Comeau, 37, & Jessica Lloyd, 27, slain, Ont, 2009 & 2010 - #6

[Sillybilly]

I think I'll do the same thing. I bought the book too and his eyes are very spooky and cold. I think it's creepy that he was hiding in people's closets waiting to jump out. I wonder if he was hiding in the closets of some females as well and having fun with their clothes back in his university days or even earlier.

I think his "pranks" were a way of justifying his presence in the closets and/or their rooms. Seems he had honed is lock-picking skills at a rather early age.

 

[Sillybilly]

I made a post wrt RW over in Allison Jackson Foy's thread that might be of interest:

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased NC-Allison Jackson Foy, 34, Wilmington, 2006

 

[dotr]

I think his "pranks" were a way of justifying his presence in the closets and/or their rooms. Seems he had honed is lock-picking skills at a rather early age.

I agree completely, how else to be able to watch and listen to people as they talk on the phone, or perhaps come out of a shower or undress, without looking like a creep, unless it was under the guise of pulling a prank.
Gives new meaning to the old saying, "skeletons in the closet",oh- and "coming out of the closet."

 

[flipflop]

I went into my local Chapters yesterday to purchase the book..There were two left on the stands..I skimmed through it and concluded two things..there was nothing new in the book that I hadn't already read and also the image on the cover spooked me so much that I knew I would not be able to keep it on my bedside table overnight.. I quickly put it back and picked up and bought another on King George V1...quite the contrast..

I am too cheap to buy the book, so I ordered it from the local library...just picked it up today. It is sitting on my coffee table as I type this, I had to turn it over, those eyes were giving me the creeps.

 

[Hazel]

Judge rejects bid to seal Williams divorce file

Transfer of ex-colonel's assets in public interest in light of military pension

Ottawa Citizen - April 15, 2011

An Ottawa judge has ruled that the wife of convicted sex killer Russell Williams cannot have a secret divorce, finding the disgraced former colonel's financial dealings with her after he was charged with killing two women are in the public interest.

In rejecting Williams's wife's request for a sweeping sealing order, Ontario Superior Court Justice Jennifer Mackinnon found there was a public interest in knowing about Williams's transfer of assets, particularly as it relates to his military pension, which "brings this issue outside the scope of an essentially private matter."

"There is a public interest in knowing what the respondent did with his assets after being charged, namely whether he took steps to put his assets beyond the reach of potential claims by his victims," Mackinnon wrote in a decision released earlier this week.

"Sealing the entire file from start to finish would have too great an impact on the freedom of expression and the open court principle," she wrote.

Lots of info in this article ~ Read more: Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Judge+rejects+seal+Williams+divorce+file/4619841/story.html#ixzz1JbkaZeLo

 

[Hazel]

Based on information that was contained in materials subject to a publication ban, Dearden argued that Williams's wife, while devastated by what her husband had done, wasn't victimized by him -the victims were the women Williams killed and raped.

In her decision, Mackinnon found that four trips that Williams's wife had made to see her husband in prison since his conviction in October, including one as recent as last month, does not demonstrate that she is not seeking a final break from him, but is more reflective of the fact they had been attached to each other for 19 years of marriage.

Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/J...divorce+file/4619841/story.html#ixzz1JbmS0z2W

(not sure I agree 100% with the very last sentence. I would think that the lawyers are there to handle all the paper work, so no need to bring those in person, but I might be wrong, and that is based on what I would do if I were in that situation (knocking on wood), but that is just me, JMHO)

 

[dotr]

From Hazel's link above.

Mackinnon found the publication of all the medical records would pose a serious risk to her mental health

Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/J...divorce+file/4619841/story.html#ixzz1JbpSPieO

Who knew that medical records could be so damaging to one's mental health,I would probably feel greater" mental damage", if my husband was a rapist and murderer, but that's just me..

 

[Hazel]

I truly still don't understand why they presented her medical records to the courts. I have no personal experience with divorce proceedings, but common sense tells me, those are not normally required when someone files for divorce, specially if the spouse is not going to contest the divorce, and is in a 'secure' place, isn't that right?

Also, I don't recall ANYONE requesting Ws' wife to produce those medical records; therefore, I cannot understand what all the fuss is about. Who cares about her medical records anyway? I keep trying to figure out WHY? what could be the reason she (or her lawyer) thought it would be a good idea to include medical records, when all that was being requested were the 'transactions' documents', in order to protect the real victims.
They have claimed: to support why they don't want the 'contract' and transfers be made public. Meaning what? mental/suicidal? If that was the case, I wouldn't "buy it", so I keep thinking what could be the reason for presenting medical records, but cannot come up with any convincing explanation....BTW, nope, I don't think it has anything to do with something like pinkeye , nor something 'prior to" JMO, of course, and I might be totally off-track.

 

[otto]

I think that the wife is arguing that if she has to disclose her personal information, it will cause her professional and personal distress. She is also claiming that she had an expectation of a future lifestyle based on dual income, and it is distressing to find herself with one income. I suspect that her doctor wrote a note, and included medical records, attempting to justify that her health would suffer if either of the above happened: release of divorce and financial information, or change in financial status.

I understand that women in her situation have turned a blind eye to their husband's activities for so long that they actually are oblivious to their personal lives, but there are victims in this story, one as young as 21, whose life has been severely altered by Russell William's crimes. The victims should be compensated, and I think that trumps any cushy life the wife expected to have through her husband's income. Besides, she divorced him ... so she was voluntarily giving up that second income. That should sever his income from hers, and leave his pension for the victims ... also ... through divorce ... his assets are his ... and no monkey business with the division of assets should remove his responsibility for compensating the victims.

 

[Hazel]

I think that the wife is arguing that if she has to disclose her personal information, it will cause her professional and personal distress. She is also claiming that she had an expectation of a future lifestyle based on dual income, and it is distressing to find herself with one income. I suspect that her doctor wrote a note, and included medical records, attempting to justify that her health would suffer if either of the above happened: release of divorce and financial information, or change in financial status.

I understand that women in her situation have turned a blind eye to their husband's activities for so long that they actually are oblivious to their personal lives, but there are victims in this story, one as young as 21, whose life has been severely altered by Russell William's crimes. The victims should be compensated, and I think that trumps any cushy life the wife expected to have through her husband's income. Besides, she divorced him ... so she was voluntarily giving up that second income. That should sever his income from hers, and leave his pension for the victims ... also ... through divorce ... his assets are his ... and no monkey business with the division of assets should remove his responsibility for compensating the victims.

Well said otto. Only thing is that she hasn't divorced him yet, and we are still not sure if she has filed for divorce. That would have been the first thing in my agenda, and no way I would have given him the pleasure of looking at my beautiful face ever again in his life, meaning no visits, but that is just me. :angel2:

 

[Macright]

What an odd statement that media coverage of her husbands crimes have had an impact on her mental state of mind. I would have thought that her husband's actions ie: rape/murder/stalking etc. etc. would have had a bigger impact. Does she expect the public, who he terrorized with his actions and the victims who he terrorized for hours, to just agree that to save MEH's mental state no further coverage should be published and everything should be just hushed up? Please spare me!!! as far as his military pension goes..she is entitled to a certain percentage whether she is still married to him or not...that is until our government decides to withdraw it... the more she fights this the less sympathy I have for her..

 

[Macright]

What an odd statement that media coverage of her husbands crimes have had an impact on her mental state of mind. I would have thought that her husband's actions ie: rape/murder/stalking etc. etc. would have had a bigger impact. Does she expect the public, who he terrorized with his actions and the victims who he terrorized for hours, to just agree that to save MEH's mental state no further coverage should be published and everything should be just hushed up? Please spare me!!! as far as his military pension goes..she is entitled to a certain percentage whether she is still married to him or not...that is until our government decides to withdraw it... the more she fights this the less sympathy I have for her..

I am quoting my own post because after checking with Hubby, MEH percentage of RW military pension is 50%...divorced or not..so 1/2 of $70,000 is a cool $35,000. yrly.. add that to whatever else in pensions she will receive will be more than enough to cover her and Rosebuds day to day living...maybe she should consider downsizing......

 

[otto]

I am quoting my own post because after checking with Hubby, MEH percentage of RW military pension is 50%...divorced or not..so 1/2 of $70,000 is a cool $35,000. yrly.. add that to whatever else in pensions she will receive will be more than enough to cover her and Rosebuds day to day living...maybe she should consider downsizing......

According to Appleby's book, Williams earned $12k per month, and his pension is $60k annually.

Interesting ... so the lawsuit may be seeking her cut of he pension too ... that I disagree with.

 

[otto]

Well said otto. Only thing is that she hasn't divorced him yet, and we are still not sure if she has filed for divorce. That would have been the first thing in my agenda, and no way I would have given him the pleasure of looking at my beautiful face ever again in his life, meaning no visits, but that is just me. :angel2:

From the book, it looks like she purchased his interest in the new townhouse, and sold him her interest in the cottage. I think his wife has that right ... to separate their assets (there was also a transfer of $62k to Williams in the separation of those assets). She sure doesn't want the cottage, as the cottage is associated with the murder. I guess what seems fair to me is that William's cottage and his portion of the pension should be made available to his victims.

There is also the 8 months times $12k he received monthly from the military until he was discharged (booted out) that has to be repaid, and $8800 in fees for the offences.

It may not seem like enough for the victims, but I think his wife is entitled to her half of the assets after almost 30 years of marriage ... does that seem right?

 

[LilyMacBloom]

According to Appleby's book, Williams earned $12k per month, and his pension is $60k annually.

Interesting ... so the lawsuit may be seeking her cut of he pension too ... that I disagree with.

From what I've been reading in the above posted media MEH is coming across as self absorbed, distant and non sympathetic. Seems to be all about ME h..
ME h..ME h..

I don't beleive she's handling this appropriately and/or is getting/gotten ill advice. :truce:

 

[Macright]

From the book, it looks like she purchased his interest in the new townhouse, and sold him her interest in the cottage. I think his wife has that right ... to separate their assets (there was also a transfer of $62k to Williams in the separation of those assets). She sure doesn't want the cottage, as the cottage is associated with the murder. I guess what seems fair to me is that William's cottage and his portion of the pension should be made available to his victims.

There is also the 8 months times $12k he received monthly from the military until he was discharged (booted out) that has to be repaid, and $8800 in fees for the offences.

It may not seem like enough for the victims, but I think his wife is entitled to her half of the assets after almost 30 years of marriage ... does that seem right?

it was an 19 yr marriage and yes she is entitled to her half which would leave his half of their assets available for the victims BUT they tried to oursmart the victims by transferring the majority of the assets to MEH..thus the reason for the lawsuit against both RW & MEH... remember along with his base salary he received flying and risk pay etc. and his pension is based on his last best years (salary wise)... in other words if all their assets were added up...after the behind the scenes transaction that they tried to pull MEH received the max...that is not fair in my opinion...they would have be advised that some or all of the victims could eventually sue...

 

[otto]

From what I've been reading in the above posted media MEH is coming across as self absorbed, distant and non sympathetic. Seems to be all about ME h..
ME h..ME h..

I don't beleive she's handling this appropriately and/or is getting/gotten ill advice. :truce:

She's an only child who, like Williams, didn't want children. That does tell us something about her ... my opinion only ... but I think she probably is "all about me". I think when Williams confessed, her first thought was for herself, her finances, her reputation, her future, her comfort. Appleby says they hadn't been intimate in years (police info), so it seems they enjoyed each other's company when they happened to be living in the same town, but otherwise they weren't much more than roommates.

I think there were a lot of options for Williams to deal with his sado-sexual problem. He had suppressed it for 44 years. If he hadn't had such a high profile in the military, he could have sought out S&M clubs and fetish groups to have a more socially acceptable way of dealing with it ... and I only say this because he did have control over it for 44 years. I think his high profile career left him afraid to seek help from anyone or find an outlet anywhere.

I think his wife should have been more on the ball. They had just moved into a new place, and Williams had a bag and a computer printer box that he moved from his old place to the new place ... both filled with women's underwear. When she was unpacking the moving boxes and bags, why didn't she find these things? She was there for a month pretty much on her own ... I find it surprising that she didn't grab all the boxes and bags to unpack. I also suspect he wore her underwear at some time during the marriage ... which should have sent some little red flags up all over the place.

 

[otto]

it was an 19 yr marriage and yes she is entitled to her half which would leave his half of their assets available for the victims BUT they tried to oursmart the victims by transferring the majority of the assets to MEH..thus the reason for the lawsuit against both RW & MEH... remember along with his base salary he received flying and risk pay etc. and his pension is based on his last best years (salary wise)... in other words if all their assets were added up...after the behind the scenes transaction that they tried to pull MEH received the max...that is not fair in my opinion...they would have be advised that some or all of the victims could eventually sue...

I'm wondering a bit about that. If his salary went into a joint account during the 8 months leading to trial, and that money disappeared and now has to be taken out of the value of the cottage, then yes ... that's already some monkey business. His income of $12k for 8 months should be taken out of the bank account where it was deposited. If his wife made that money disappear, then she should be responsible for making it reappear.

 

[Macright]

She's an only child who, like Williams, didn't want children. That does tell us something about her ... my opinion only ... but I think she probably is "all about me". I think when Williams confessed, her first thought was for herself, her finances, her reputation, her future, her comfort. Appleby says they hadn't been intimate in years (police info), so it seems they enjoyed each other's company when they happened to be living in the same town, but otherwise they weren't much more than roommates.

I think there were a lot of options for Williams to deal with his sado-sexual problem. He had suppressed it for 44 years. If he hadn't had such a high profile in the military, he could have sought out S&M clubs and fetish groups to have a more socially acceptable way of dealing with it ... and I only say this because he did have control over it for 44 years. I think his high profile career left him afraid to seek help from anyone or find an outlet anywhere.

I think his wife should have been more on the ball. They had just moved into a new place, and Williams had a bag and a computer printer box that he moved from his old place to the new place ... both filled with women's underwear. When she was unpacking the moving boxes and bags, why didn't she find these things? She was there for a month pretty much on her own ... I find it surprising that she didn't grab all the boxes and bags to unpack. I also suspect he wore her underwear at some time during the marriage ... which should have sent some little red flags up all over the place.

we really don't know if his prowling only started at age 44..because that is when it seems he was so cocky that he started documenting his actions... he did find an outlet..he started his rampage with his B&E's. He flew all over the world and I don't doubt for a NY minute that he didn't visit all kinds of "outlets" to relieve his pressures or fantasties..

 

[otto]

we really don't know if his prowling only started at age 44..because that is when it seems he was so cocky that he started documenting his actions... he did find an outlet..he started his rampage with his B&E's. He flew all over the world and I don't doubt for a NY minute that he didn't visit all kinds of "outlets" to relieve his pressures or fantasties..

Since the detailed reports about his breakins started 2 years before he was arrested, I wondered if that only meant that he replaced his computer 2 years earlier. I wondered, while reading the book, if there's another flash drive or set of CDs somewhere from an earlier period. It is very difficult to believe that he started 2 years before the murders, especially given how confident he was in spending hours in other people's homes. It's also interesting that he was ready to frame his neighbour for the crimes ... makes me wonder if he did that before as well.