Canada - USA Trade War commencing March 2025 #2

[musicaljoke]

Exactly. Musk wants to control policy in South Africa, so the USA federal government is using trade war tactics to coerce South Africa to give Musk what he wants.

BINGO. Oh Otto, how did you ever get so clever?!

 

[otto]

Rude? you are being kind-- I could use many other words to describe DJT behavior towards our good friend Canada, but I will demure for now.

We all saw the 78 year old USA president have a full blown going-mental event, filled with shouting and personal insults intended to humiliate and intimidate. We haven't yet seen that performance regarding the USA robbing Canadians of natural resources. However, when a 78 year old behaves like that to get what he wants from one foreign leader, there's no reason to assume he will not do the same with other foreign leaders. It's apparent that no one taught him diplomacy, or how to control his temper. Alternatively - there's something wrong with his brain.

I'd like to see the USA president on live TV going mental with Canada's prime minister. I hope their first meeting (phone or otherwise) is similarly published by the USA entertainment industry. I expect the USA president to continue using threats, coercion, false promise, and intimidation to declare entitlement and ownership of everything that belongs to Canadians.

 

[otto]

It doesn't help with this now deleted re-tweet:

'Deeply disturbing': Musk's 'Hitler didn't murder millions' repost draws outrage

Musk's repost, which now appears to be deleted, drew furious reactions from workers and the Anti- Defamation League.

ca.news.yahoo.com

There's the justification to revoke Musk's Canadian citizenship!

R. v. Keegstra - SCC Cases

decisions.scc-csc.ca

 

[branmuffin]

He was born and raised in Canada. The big question is: why does he have two other passports?

I have two passports, UK and Canada. I can also get an Irish passport since two of my grandparents were born in the Republic of Ireland, Eire.

 

[Sundog]

He was born and raised in Canada. The big question is: why does he have two other passports?

He's 59 years old. After being born and raised in Canada, where has he lived over the last 40 years? Canadians need to know how long he has lived as an adult in Canada.

 

[Sundog]

He renounced his Irish and UK citizenships. He had them through family connections.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/dual-citizenship-prime-minister-carney-1.7481926

Only his Irish citizenship was obtained through family connections, not his UK citizenship, according to the article posted. And he has just recently announced these citizenships and waiting for approval/confirmation by Irish and UK, as I understand it.

 

[Sundog]

I have two passports, UK and Canada. I can also get an Irish passport since two of my grandparents were born in the Republic of Ireland, Eire.

Lots of us have dual citizenship, but we're not the leader of a nation.

 

[otto]

The USA is trying to use tariffs to manage their budget mismanagement. The USA government cooked up a plan to apply tariffs globally to manage internal spending problems. Countries that allow the USA government to dictate some level of control will be viewed favourably and tariffs may be eased.

"Canadians and Americans had a 90-minute meeting and the first half-hour was "a master class" from Lutnick in breaking down the U.S. position on tariffs.

The focus of the U.S. government is dealing with its yearly deficit in federal spending, Paterson said. According to the U.S. Treasury Department, the federal government ran a $1.83 trillion US deficit in the 2024 fiscal year. There are three ways the U.S. government is working to cut down that deficit, Paterson added.

The first is a major budget resolution that calls for billions of dollars in tax cuts, and the second is slashing the size of government through Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency. The third is tariffs, which are meant to be a new revenue source and attract investment into the United States.
...

The ambassador told host Rosemary Barton that the Americans know Canada will respond to Trump's tariffs on April 2 and that Trump's team "deeply focused" on that deadline. "It's the rest of the world that is going to now be brought into their [tariff] plan. And that is [the Americans'] singular focus," Hillman said. "After that happens, then we'll see what they think the next step might be."
...

All told, Canada is applying a 25 per cent tariff to some $60 billion worth of American goods as payback for both Trump's border- and metals-related tariffs. The government is also holding back tariffs on another roughly $100 billion worth of American goods that will be imposed if Trump goes ahead with a third round of what he's calling "reciprocal" tariffs on goods from around the world on April 2."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-global-tariffs-canada-1.7484790

 

[Mo Thuairim]

Only his Irish citizenship was obtained through family connections, not his UK citizenship, according to the article posted. And he has just recently announced these citizenships and waiting for approval/confirmation by Irish and UK, as I understand it.

Oh I meant as his wife is British. He probably had multiple reasons, living and working there. Yes I believe it's a process that he has begun, not yet completed.

 

[otto]

Lots of us have dual citizenship, but we're not the leader of a nation.

That sounds a bit like Trump's obsession with Obama's citizenship.

 

[SouthAussie]

He's 59 years old. After being born and raised in Canada, where has he lived over the last 40 years? Canadians need to know how long he has lived as an adult in Canada.

Why? I am not seeing anything bad in his background. Some education and work in England - a Commonwealth country. Some education in the US. It is not like he has lived or worked in Russia.

Harvard University to 1988
Oxford University to 1995
Various roles at Goldman Sachs
Bank of Canada 2003
Dept of Finance for Canada 2004
Bank of Canada 2007
Governor of Bank of Canada - 2008-2013
Governor of Bank of England - 2013-2020

Also served as chair and head of impact investing at Brookfield Asset Management (Canadian/US company)
And as chair of the board of directors for Bloomberg L.P. (US)
Appointed the United Nations (UN) special envoy for climate action and finance
Also worked as one of many informal advisors to Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau during the COVID-19 pandemic
Was made chair of the Liberal Party's economic growth taskforce in September 2024.

Mark Carney - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[otto]

Oh I meant as his wife is British. He probably had multiple reasons, living and working there. Yes I believe it's a process that he has begun, not yet completed.

England and Canada are Commonwealth Nations, so Canadians are completely comfortable with a Canadian citizen who worked in London. Government, law and justice have identical foundations.

 

[LoveyG]

The one good thing about this tariff war are the new products we Canadians are getting in to replace American produce we got Peruvian blueberry's and Aussie Bartlett pears. And prices are pretty good View attachment 571143

Trade is nutso. My grocery store chain sells blueberries from Canada. Canada bought blueberries from US. Now Canada gets blueberries from Peru? Does Peru get them from Canada?

 

[SouthAussie]

England and Canada are Commonwealth Nations, so Canadians are completely comfortable with a Canadian citizen who worked in London. Government, law and justice have identical foundations.

I also think that living and working in other countries gives a better perspective on how the world turns. Which is actually an asset.

imo

 

[branmuffin]

Lots of us have dual citizenship, but we're not the leader of a nation.

I have no issue with people who have dual citizenship, either. In politics, especially a leadership position, that's a difference circumstance altogether and those individuals give up the secondary citizenship. Which Carney is doing. Being a citizen of country, even if you were born there, doesn't aways provide protection. Think of all the Japanese who ended up in internment camps during WW2. Kind of ironic considering those with German heritage didn't end up in camps.

Musk, although a politician, has more than one citizenship. He hasn't disclosed whether he still has SA citizenship and he currently has Canadian citizenship as well as US even though he calls himself 'just an American'.

 

[SouthAussie]

Trade is nutso. My grocery store chain sells blueberries from Canada. Canada bought blueberries from US. Now Canada gets blueberries from Peru? Does Peru get them from Canada?

Peru is the King of Blueberries. It is the main exporter of blueberries on the planet.

How Peru became the king of blueberries

After being a minor competitor over the past decade, the South American country has leaped to become the main global exporter of these fruits

english.elpais.com

 

[Herat]

Trade is nutso. My grocery store chain sells blueberries from Canada. Canada bought blueberries from US. Now Canada gets blueberries from Peru? Does Peru get them from Canada?

Interesting about how well Peru is doing in supplying organic blueberries to the world. The US is their principle export parter, but the EU is significant. Peru also supplies about 90% of the asparagus imported to the US.

I had no idea they were transported by ship, in the US to Philadelphia, in Europe to Rotterdam.

I suppose Canadian imports could go in through Halifax or Montreal. BC does seem to a long way by sea.

"According to a report from Peruvian media outlet Agraria.pe, the Peruvian Blueberry Growers Association (Proarándanos) has announced that the total shipment volume of fresh blueberries from Peru for the 2024/25 season (May to April) is projected to reach 323,928 metric tons, a 4.1% increase compared with an earlier estimate in October 2024. Although the season is progressing more slowly than the previous one, production has grown significantly.

The report indicates that Peruvian blueberry exports had reached 254,406 metric tons as of mid-December, marking a 61% increase compared with the same period of last season. Approximately 11% of these exports were organic blueberries, with the total organic export volume for the season expected to reach 40,000 metric tons. While organic blueberries were previously sold almost exclusively to the United States, the European market has claimed around 10% of the share this season.

In terms of export destinations, the United States had accounted for 53% (135,000 metric tons) of Peru’s total blueberry exports, followed by Europe at 25% (63,000 metric tons), China at 14% (35,000 metric tons) and the United Kingdom at 5% (12,000 metric tons)."

"Regarding export methods, 97% of the blueberries exported were shipped by sea. Key ports have included Philadelphia, which handled 58% of exports to the United States, Rotterdam, which received 72% of exports to Europe (excluding Russia), Shenzhen, which dealt with 72% of exports to China, and Dover, which processed 44% of exports to the United Kingdom."

"The major ports in Canada for handling produce and other goods include the Port of Vancouver, Port of Montreal, Port of Prince Rupert, Port of Halifax, Port of Saint John, Port of Toronto, Port of Quebec and the Port of Nanaimo. "

 

[otto]

Is this another example, in addition to silencing scientists, where the USA government is eroding Freedom of Speech?

How long until USA citizens are prevented from discussing hardship due to tariffs without first obtaining federal government clearance?

"He then suggested it should be a crime to criticize judges because they could be influenced by what he described as bad publicity. The remark appeared to be a new idea from Trump, who has previously castigated judges who did not rule in his favor and sought to defend legal cases in public.

Trump vents fury about his criminal cases in extraordinary speech at DoJ

In hourlong victory lap, president railed against Biden officials and their ‘🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬’ case while boosting his lawyers

www.theguardian.com

 

[Sundog]

That sounds a bit like Trump's obsession with Obama's citizenship.

The concern over Carney's multiple citizenships was raised in the article posted above from the mainstream Canadian media.

Carney had acquired Irish citizenship through his family ancestry and got his U.K. passport while working overseas as the governor of the Bank of England.

He has said that, while many MPs have multiple citizenships, "as prime minister, I should only hold one."


Indeed, several million Canadians report holding more than one citizenship, while very few prime ministers have done the same.

Having ties to more than one country can complicate a politician's life.

"It's less complicated if you just have one citizenship," said Kathy Brock, a professor emerita of politics at Queen's University. Being entrusted with state secrets can prompt voter concerns about loyalties if more than one citizenship is in the mix, she says, and that's separate from any attacks from political opponents along the same lines.

 

[otto]

I also think that living and working in other countries gives a better perspective on how the world turns. Which is actually an asset.

imo

There are incentives and privileges for Commonwealth Nation citizens to work in other Commonwealth Nations. It's something that Canadians know and value.