Canada - USA Trade War commencing March 2025 #2

[Kudzuu]

After Elon Musk dumped a quarter trillion dollars into Trump's campaign ads in my red state popped up on CBS TV . Well 1 ad. Kamala Harris laughing and behind her flames from a roaring fire (probably hell) and surrounding her were dead babies dying babies and bloody aborted babies.

What would a serious sane person think of the people behind that.
It is crazy. We used to vote on issues and policies. But we have allowed small minded people to attack what used to make America great. Supporting the constitution, the rule of law and leaders who represented WE the people.

I called yesterday to tell my senator to vote no on a bill. To be tallied I had to state my name address, email and phone number . Before I could give the information I was cut off. It couldn't have been more than 10 seconds.

I used to live on a farm. We provided most of our food from livestock and gardens and we put up food for the winter. Friends provided milk and eggs and produce etc was shared.

Tariffs would not have effected us much. But now I am almost 100% dependent on money to buy EVERYTHING material I need.

Tariffs will most likely impact me very much.

Sorry this is so long but we have a serious problem here.

 

[Vern]

Great question! US marshals are responsible for seeing that court decisions are enforced.

And US marshals serve under...the Executive Branch.

We are doomed. There is nothing to hold Trump to account.

Well, what should rightly hold him to account are those who've sworn an oath to protect the Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic.

No one swore to protect and oligarch or a dictator at the expense of the Consitution.

That will be where those who actually are Patriots will be distinguished from the great many now claiming to be, but who in reality are merely PINOs.

 

[Betty P]

Great question! US marshals are responsible for seeing that court decisions are enforced.

And US marshals serve under...the Executive Branch.

We are doomed. There is nothing to hold Trump to account.

Hopefully, there will be officers who are loyal to their country who will enforce the law. Americans must have faith in our legal/judicial system and keep pursuing justice. It's up to us. They work for us. We have to remind them of that. Follow the law, don't give up.

IANAL, but I think there are other options available to justices besides calling the US marshals.

This is uncharted territory for USians, but other, older democracies have had to travel this path before. Follow their advice to keep pushing, keep educating the public and countering propaganda, etc. The worst thing we can do is let rogue leaders get away with breaking the law, usurping power, violating the Constitution.

 

[Charlot123]

After Elon Musk dumped a quarter trillion dollars into Trump's campaign ads in my red state popped up on CBS TV . Well 1 ad. Kamala Harris laughing and behind her flames from a roaring fire (probably hell) and surrounding her were dead babies dying babies and bloody aborted babies.

What would a serious sane person think of the people behind that.
It is crazy. We used to vote on issues and policies. But we have allowed small minded people to attack what used to make America great. Supporting the constitution, the rule of law and leaders who represented WE the people.

I called yesterday to tell my senator to vote no on a bill. To be tallied I had to state my name address, email and phone number . Before I could give the information I was cut off. It couldn't have been more than 10 seconds.

I used to live on a farm. We provided most of our food from livestock and gardens and we put up food for the winter. Friends provided milk and eggs and produce etc was shared.

Tariffs would not have effected us much. But now I am almost 100% dependent on money to buy EVERYTHING material I need.

Tariffs will most likely impact me very much.

Sorry this is so long but we have a serious problem here.

This is scary. I always thought this pro-life campaign became so active during G.W.Bush’s tenure and I think that his election demonstrated how toxic the electoral vote system was. Now it is just medievalism.

When economical considerations get switched for ideology, it is wrong.

 

[otto]

Maybe we're looking at this the wrong way. Many people outside the USA, and some inside, look at the USA government as replacing democracy with authoritarian dictatorship. The daily elimination of rights, accompanied with propaganda announcements that fewer rights means wealth and improved quality of life, appeals to many - that much is obvious.

The USA government is reversing the open border, cancelling men in women's sports (per USA gov't language), reversing all things 'woke', slimming down the federal government, and initiating steps that may (over decades) return manufacturing to the USA (even though it was intentionally outsourced because it was cheaper). Foreign labour, particularly in agriculture, can be replaced with USA 18-30 year olds who prefer labouring in the sun over partying on the beach.

The health secretary is responding to the anti-vaccine movement during covid. People objected to pandemic restrictions, now they can share the measles, bird flu, and other deadly illnesses freely. That feels like freedom to people who support the current USA government. Individual freedom is more important than community conscientiousness or responsibility. Me first. USA first. National populism.

I think it's the me, me, me mentality that is pushing this forward. Those same people perceive themselves as victims of migrants, woke extremism, foreign manufacturing job thieves and government forced social responsibility. As long as the USA government treats them as victims, and gives the illusion of removing that which made them victims, they are blind to lateral decisions that strip them of rights resulting in dictatorship.

 

[Herat]

After Elon Musk dumped a quarter trillion dollars into Trump's campaign ads in my red state popped up on CBS TV . Well 1 ad. Kamala Harris laughing and behind her flames from a roaring fire (probably hell) and surrounding her were dead babies dying babies and bloody aborted babies.

What would a serious sane person think of the people behind that.
It is crazy. We used to vote on issues and policies. But we have allowed small minded people to attack what used to make America great. Supporting the constitution, the rule of law and leaders who represented WE the people.

I called yesterday to tell my senator to vote no on a bill. To be tallied I had to state my name address, email and phone number . Before I could give the information I was cut off. It couldn't have been more than 10 seconds.

I used to live on a farm. We provided most of our food from livestock and gardens and we put up food for the winter. Friends provided milk and eggs and produce etc was shared.

Tariffs would not have effected us much. But now I am almost 100% dependent on money to buy EVERYTHING material I need.

Tariffs will most likely impact me very much.

Sorry this is so long but we have a serious problem here.

The degree of vulgar and frankly racist abuse and degradation used by the current administration is horrible.

We need to demand standards of civility, of respect, and of reasonable debate, and of developing shared goals by legal means.

 

[JDG]

Hopefully, there will be officers who are loyal to their country who will enforce the law. Americans must have faith in our legal/judicial system and keep pursuing justice. It's up to us. They work for us. We have to remind them of that. Follow the law, don't give up.

IANAL, but I think there are other options available to justices besides calling the US marshals.

This is uncharted territory for USians, but other, older democracies have had to travel this path before. Follow their advice to keep pushing, keep educating the public and countering propaganda, etc. The worst thing we can do is let rogue leaders get away with breaking the law, usurping power, violating the Constitution.

As an elected President, is President Trump really a ‘rogue leader’?



ETA. Should have said ‘dictator’ as in a post upthread.



See the post from Otto, re removing men from women’s sports, slimming down the federal government etc.

These are things that people voted for, others may not like it but there you have it.

I’m all for preventing men competing in women’s sports. It’s a joke. MOO

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

As an elected President, is President Trump really a ‘rogue leader’?

See the post from Otto, re removing men from women’s sports, slimming down the federal government etc.

These are things that people voted for, others may not like it but there you have it.

Yes, he is a rogue leader. He’s a president that wants to be King. Most people I have spoke with voted for him to fix the economy and illegal immigration. Not to have an unelected techbro oligarch dismantle the federal government and take away funding (which, again, is only supposed to be done by elected representatives in Congress). Yeah, I admit, he’s very good at fearmongering. JMO

 

[JDG]

Yes, he is a rogue leader. He’s a president that wants to be King. Most people I have spoke with voted for him to fix the economy and illegal immigration. Not to have an unelected techbro oligarch dismantle the federal government and take away funding (which, again, is only supposed to be done by elected representatives in Congress). Yeah, I admit, he’s very good at fearmongering. JMO

Well, being Canadian, we have an unelected guy calling the shots and NO parliament to steer the ship.

Seems like North America is wide open for all dictators to just walk in. Ugh

 

[Betty P]

As an elected President, is President Trump really a ‘rogue leader’?

See the post from Otto, re removing men from women’s sports, slimming down the federal government etc.

These are things that people voted for, others may not like it but there you have it.

I’m all for preventing men competing in women’s sports. It’s a joke. MOO

I'm using the term "rogue" in the context of a POTUS who flagrantly violates the law as he carries out his duties. He's ignoring the laws that govern and define the powers of the Executive Branch vs the Legislative and Judicial. He ignores judicial rulings that he doesn't like. He ignores the rights of US citizens. That's rogue - doing your job like a dictator, ignoring the law.

Being duly elected as POTUS doesn't give an executive the right to violate the law. When he and the people who work for him are sworn into office, they pledge to "protect the Constitution" not "protect and serve Donald Trump".

 

[Yellowbelly]

Great question! US marshals are responsible for seeing that court decisions are enforced.

And US marshals serve under...the Executive Branch.

We are doomed. There is nothing to hold Trump to account.

In theory, if the US Marshals are ordered not to comply with instructions from the courts, then the courts could appoint other people, not under the authority of the Justice Department, to arrest administration officials for civil contempt of court.

In practice, if things got to that point, I wouldn't be suprised if Trump ordered in the armed forces to release his officials from jail.

Could the U.S. Marshals arrest Trump officials for disobeying court orders? - Tuesday Update at end

The authority of the U.S. Marshals has a dual loyalty. They are under the aegis of the Department of Justice, but they are also the protectors and law enforcement arm of the federal courts. I've been wrestling with this problem for months since Donald...

www.dailykos.com

 

[Betty P]

In theory, if the US Marshals are ordered not to comply with instructions from the courts, then the courts could appoint other people, not under the authority of the Justice Department, to arrest administration officials for civil contempt of court.

In practice, if things got to that point, I wouldn't be suprised if Trump ordered in the armed forces to release his officials from jail.

Could the U.S. Marshals arrest Trump officials for disobeying court orders? - Tuesday Update at end

The authority of the U.S. Marshals has a dual loyalty. They are under the aegis of the Department of Justice, but they are also the protectors and law enforcement arm of the federal courts. I've been wrestling with this problem for months since Donald...

www.dailykos.com

Bring it on. History teaches us that we must fight government takeover by dictators and authoritarians who violate our Constitution, overthrow our judiciary, etc.

I have a dozen or more ancestors who fought in the Revolutionary War, at least 2 who died in battle. One who was a Minuteman who participated in the Boston Tea Party. Others lost family, homes, farms and crops burned out again and again by British troops and their allies. What they fought and died for is worth protecting. JMO

 

[JDG]

I'm using the term "rogue" in the context of a POTUS who flagrantly violates the law as he carries out his duties. He's ignoring the laws that govern and define the powers of the Executive Branch vs the Legislative and Judicial. He ignores judicial rulings that he doesn't like. He ignores the rights of US citizens. That's rogue - doing your job like a dictator, ignoring the law.

Being duly elected as POTUS doesn't give an executive the right to violate the law. When he and the people who work for him are sworn into office, they pledge to "protect the Constitution" not "protect and serve Donald Trump".

Yep, I added to the post to make it more clear.

Should have used the word dictator as in previous post, not yours.

 

[Yellowbelly]

As an elected President, is President Trump really a ‘rogue leader’?



ETA. Should have said ‘dictator’ as in a post upthread.



See the post from Otto, re removing men from women’s sports, slimming down the federal government etc.

These are things that people voted for, others may not like it but there you have it.

I’m all for preventing men competing in women’s sports. It’s a joke. MOO

On the question of people other than those with XX chromosomes competing in female sporting events, I would probably agree with him, but that's really not the point. The point is that there are a set of rules by which the game is supposed to be played. Is he going to abide by those rules, or is he going to unilaterally rip up the rule book and do whatever he likes.

 

[otto]

As an elected President, is President Trump really a ‘rogue leader’?

Taking one small issue that caused people to feel like victims, and then firing everyone who open-mindedly accepted the idea, is where the problem lies. One point where people agree opens the door to many changes that no one expected.

Tariffs, for example, are justified by the USA government based on false claims that Canada presents a security risk due to a very small amount of fentanyl entering the USA from Canada. The gov't needed a "security risk' to justify tariffs. Many USA people cheered that Canada would be forced to take responsibility for the USA mental-health fentanyl problem. USA victims were taking back their country.

Next came statements from the USA government that Canada needed to be "punished". That word was shocking - implied that Canada was a bad child who had to pay the price for USA drug abuse.

The punishment would come in the form of tariffs, with false allegations that the USA "subsidizes Canada to the tune of 200 billion per year." Trump replaced the words "trade deficit" (due to oil purchases) with "subsidy", then vastly exaggerated the deficit dollars.

"The president said, without explaining how, that Canada "cheats" and "charges" the U.S. and repeated his false claims about Americans "subsidizing" this country to the tune of $200 billion a year. The U.S. trade deficit with Canada — which is largely driven by cheap oil imports — is much smaller than that."​

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-trump-taunts-1.7487589

Canada cheating the USA through "subsidy" turned into: if Canada can't pay for themselves, Canada should become a USA state.

Stopping 20 kilos of fentanyl from entering the USA North border is now annex Canada. It starts with one issue, and turns into something voters did not ask for or expect.

 

[indicolite22]

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Do you have a link to documented evidence that Biden was unable/incapable of issuing pardons? That he was not involved in the process? That's what the claim by Trump is and is why he is now considering them 'invalid'.

I certainly did not insinute that "any of Biden’s presidential pardons were issued in a legally unbinding way", rather the opposite.

Trump is stating otherwise ... or is that just Trump's reasoning for invalidating them? Because, IMO, I neither trust nor believe an iota of what comes out of that liars mouth without documented evidence to back it up. If not, that's merely an opinion of his; and many of his opinions are simply non-reality based; his basis for beginning this trade war wth Canada comes as a great and glaring example!

IMO.

Trump doesn't need a valid reason for anything. He just makes stuff up and expects people to tolerate it, just because he is the president. People in his orbit or in his party don't push back.

 

[LoveyG]

In theory, if the US Marshals are ordered not to comply with instructions from the courts, then the courts could appoint other people, not under the authority of the Justice Department, to arrest administration officials for civil contempt of court.

In practice, if things got to that point, I wouldn't be suprised if Trump ordered in the armed forces to release his officials from jail.

Could the U.S. Marshals arrest Trump officials for disobeying court orders? - Tuesday Update at end

The authority of the U.S. Marshals has a dual loyalty. They are under the aegis of the Department of Justice, but they are also the protectors and law enforcement arm of the federal courts. I've been wrestling with this problem for months since Donald...

www.dailykos.com

So, a showdown between Trump's Marshalls and the alternate-Marshalls appointed by the court?

 

[LoveyG]

Taking one small issue that caused people to feel like victims, and then firing everyone who open-mindedly accepted the idea, is where the problem lies. One point where people agree opens the door to many changes that no one expected.

Tariffs, for example, are justified by the USA government based on false claims that Canada presents a security risk due to a very small amount of fentanyl entering the USA from Canada. The gov't needed a "security risk' to justify tariffs. Many USA people cheered that Canada would be forced to take responsibility for the USA mental-health fentanyl problem. USA victims were taking back their country.

Next came statements from the USA government that Canada needed to be "punished". That word was shocking - implied that Canada was a bad child who had to pay the price for USA drug abuse.

The punishment would come in the form of tariffs, with false allegations that the USA "subsidizes Canada to the tune of 200 billion per year." Trump replaced the words "trade deficit" (due to oil purchases) with "subsidy", then vastly exaggerated the deficit dollars.

"The president said, without explaining how, that Canada "cheats" and "charges" the U.S. and repeated his false claims about Americans "subsidizing" this country to the tune of $200 billion a year. The U.S. trade deficit with Canada — which is largely driven by cheap oil imports — is much smaller than that."​

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-trump-taunts-1.7487589

Canada cheating the USA through "subsidy" turned into: if Canada can't pay for themselves, Canada should become a USA state.

Stopping 20 kilos of fentanyl from entering the USA North border is now annex Canada. It starts with one issue, and turns into something voters did not ask for or expect.

Snipped: Tariffs, for example, are justified by the USA government based on false claims that Canada presents a security risk due to a very small amount of fentanyl entering the USA from Canada. The gov't needed a "security risk' to justify tariffs. Many USA people cheered that Canada would be forced to take responsibility for the USA mental-health fentanyl problem. USA victims were taking back their country.

Why is it Canada's responsibility to stop fentanyl from entering the US? Why is it not US responsibility to stop fentanyl from entering the US? In my limited travel across US, Canadian and Mexican borders, seems to me, no one really cared about the people leaving. They were concerned about the people coming in.

If the US doesn't want fentanyl coming in across our borders, then we need to stop it from happening. Or do we not really care about that?

 

[otto]

Snipped: Tariffs, for example, are justified by the USA government based on false claims that Canada presents a security risk due to a very small amount of fentanyl entering the USA from Canada. The gov't needed a "security risk' to justify tariffs. Many USA people cheered that Canada would be forced to take responsibility for the USA mental-health fentanyl problem. USA victims were taking back their country.

Why is it Canada's responsibility to stop fentanyl from entering the US? Why is it not US responsibility to stop fentanyl from entering the US? In my limited travel across US, Canadian and Mexican borders, seems to me, no one really cared about the people leaving. They were concerned about the people coming in.

If the US doesn't want fentanyl coming in across our borders, then we need to stop it from happening. Or do we not really care about that?

It isn't Canada's responsibility to solve mental-health drug abuse in the USA, but Trump said it is, so his people believe him. If you tell those same people that gun manufacturers and suppliers are responsible for murder rates, they vehemently disagree - shouting that the person with the gun is the murderer. With drugs, logic is reversed - it is the drug manufacturer and supplier who is responsible, not the drug user.

No one expects Trump supporters to be logical. They are victims of pet-eating migrants, they need to feel that they are getting even. Blaming migrants and Canadians for homegrown problems makes them feel like they are solving their problems. If solving their mental health and illegal drug problems means starting wars, somehow it makes sense.

 

[Herat]

It isn't Canada's responsibility to solve mental-health drug abuse in the USA, but Trump said it is, so his people believe him. If you tell those same people that gun manufacturers and suppliers are responsible for murder rates, they vehemently disagree - shouting that the person with the gun is the murderer. With drugs, logic is reversed - it is the drug manufacturer and supplier who is responsible, not the drug user.

No one expects Trump supporters to be logical. They are victims of pet-eating migrants, they need to feel that they are getting even. Blaming migrants and Canadians for homegrown problems makes them feel like they are solving their problems. If solving their mental health and illegal drug problems means starting wars, somehow it makes sense.

Trump was able to drill down to a huge sense of inferiority in his maga followers and expand their fear and shame into unbridled aggression against "others".